tartofmidlothian Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I hope those who say they do are on here with a load of congratulations for Mr Levein and the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They do when you pump a top European side 0-7 amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They didn’t after Arbroath, and they still don’t after this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c41rns Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They only matter if we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I want us to win every single game but at the end of the day friendlies mean JS. At the end of the season I wouldn’t even be able to guess pre season scores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They really don't mean much. I feel the same about our 7-0 win tonight as I did about the Arbroath game. The result is meaningless, but it's good to see players get a run out, and in tonights case, it's particularly good to see young lads get goals. We played an Irish second tier side. Lets not kid ourselves on that this is some heroic result. I wouldn't even know if their team was full strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Icon of Symmetry said: They didn’t after Arbroath, and they still don’t after this. They matter with regard to fitness, shape of team, individual and collective performance, etc... Results and scores don’t matter due to reduced intensity of the matches in terms of pace and tackling, etc. That said for us supporters it’s always enjoyable to win matches so I am feeling unashamedly pleased this evening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenks Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Stupid debate. Of course they mean something. They give our players a chance to get match fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: They matter with regard to fitness, shape of team, individual and collective performance, etc... Results and scores don’t matter due to reduced intensity of the matches in terms of pace and tackling, etc. That said for us supporters it’s always enjoyable to win matches so I am feeling unashamedly pleased this evening... Yes, that is what I meant. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 It’s hard to not take something from any game friendly or not, I don’t like Hearts getting beat tbh and especially by lower league outfits. I appreciate they mean fack all but I enjoyed seeing a 0-7 result tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 When we win aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Save us from cold Turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They mean **** all, unless you’re one of the Levein-oot thickos, in which case you’ll find a way to make them fit your weird agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Mean a lot to the management and coaches. Utterly shrugworthy to most fans other than the totally unhinged wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Important for fitness. The results are meaningless unless you hand out a pumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Shelbourne had their 2nd team out, they are a 2nd division Irish team, the Irish Prem is probably League 1 standard bar Dundalk and Cork who are maybe top Championship level. Today we effectively horsed the Irish version of Cowdenbeaths 2nd strIng. It was a good result, but to be expected. I wouldn’t be getting carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Lose a pre-season game to perceived lower standard club = manager oot Beat a perceived lower standard club = not enough of a challenge, manager oot Lose to a higher ranked club = getting pumped off big teams is a morale killer, manager oot Beat a higher ranking club = they only played their b-team, waste of our time, manager oot That just about covers it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Friendlies give a manager an opportunity to try different things without the fear of losing points or cup knockout. Those selected should want to win the game and work hard so in that sense the result should matter. But as an exercise it lets you try different shape, get players match fit, try youths or fringe players you might not try if it were for points and if the result was so important you wouldn't see so many subs or a complete change of team at half time. So yes it means something but at the end of the day it's a training exercise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Fantastic win this evening for a different matter of reasons. Building confidence and momentum can never be discredited ever. A professional goalkeeper never wants to concede as do defenders, a professional footballer never wants to lose and a striker wants to score. Yes fitness is in whole the purpose of the exercise but winning/losing can never be discredited. What is weird is people making threads to rip into others for having a difference of opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, tartofmidlothian said: I hope those who say they do are on here with a load of congratulations for Mr Levein and the team. And that that don’t will no doubt avoid this thread and the match thread as it’s meaningless for them, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: I appreciate they mean fack all but I enjoyed seeing a 0-7 result tonight. There’s only one team I want to pump 7-0 for enjoyment but I’m still deliriously delighted with 5-1 ? HHGH ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Match fitness, team bonding, general fitness, trying new players even to try new things, yes they matter in that regard. The results Litterally mean nothing. Not even convinced the players confidence/ morale would be efected in any way either. Pro players know what friendlies mean and why they are carried out. They might mean more to young/ squad players who are not currently viewed as 1st teamers, they'll Likley try harder. If anything, established players will play a level below and be far more mindful of avoiding Injuries and just aim for fitness etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 All about match fitness and avoiding injury in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: All about match fitness and avoiding injury in my opinion If that's the case, just play bounce games in training. It would save money on these pointless exercises too, wouldn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 41 minutes ago, ri Alban said: If that's the case, just play bounce games in training. It would save money on these pointless exercises too, wouldn't it. Always nice to win off course but for me the main purpose is match fitness as I've said and avoiding injury ! Winning starts next Friday when it matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) Little more than bounce games to gain fitness and match practice. Nice to score a few goals though. You would only have real concerns if Hearts took a real horsing in one if these games. So far, so good I would say. Looking forward to the next one. Edited July 2, 2019 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Always nice to win off course but for me the main purpose is match fitness as I've said and avoiding injury ! Winning starts next Friday when it matters Can't what for the new season. And the league cup is a great for doing away with pishie friendliness fitbaw. ? Anyway, Intae thim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Friendlies means something, the results mean nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Pants Shaton said: They mean **** all, unless you’re one of the Levein-oot thickos, in which case you’ll find a way to make them fit your weird agenda. Same if you're a Levein-in thicko, 1-1 to either side so far in pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, RudiHMFC said: Same if you're a Levein-in thicko, 1-1 to either side so far in pre season. Not really though. The “Levein cuckolds” have been consistent in saying these are just friendly training exercises, and the results don’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: The results Litterally mean nothing. Not even convinced the players confidence/ morale would be efected in any way either. Pro players know what friendlies mean and why they are carried out. Just watching the goals you can see how true this is. The players don't bother celebrating goals. When Berra scores his main thought seems to be to help up the defender he had muscled out the way to score. The only people that care about results I'm friendlies are some supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I am absolutely in the friendly results don't mean anything camp but they can be beneficial to individual players. Steven Mclean wont be bothered (I assume) that he scored tonight but a goal and an assist for Wighton could do wonders for his confidence. Likewise Zantatta and young Smith hasd an impact and will be buzzing for more opportunities. Even if they were the only positives we want to take that's not too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Having watched the goals package I can see that they'll have likely got more out of the loss to Arbroath than the win over this Irish outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Locky said: They really don't mean much. I feel the same about our 7-0 win tonight as I did about the Arbroath game. The result is meaningless, but it's good to see players get a run out, and in tonights case, it's particularly good to see young lads get goals. We played an Irish second tier side. Lets not kid ourselves on that this is some heroic result. I wouldn't even know if their team was full strength. Wins like this puts confidence in the team prior to the season starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, farin said: For the team it’s a chance to get some sharpness & actual game time in without it being life or death on the pitch. For the fans it’s a jolly & a piss up before the real football begins.. Precisely. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) If I get beat in a football match I’m pissed off. It’s not training it’s a match, the outcome is A you’re a winner or B you’re a loser. Or you’re both losers if it’s a draw, failing to win is losing. I hate losing, do not like getting beat - in any minor situation. I am competitive. But having said that, pre-season is a time to experiment with different line-ups and get a look at trialists and kids, so that means sometimes you’ll get beat by an Arbroath side who’s lads are up for it. Doesn’t mean you have to be happy about it. Edited July 2, 2019 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2-0 v Arbroath 7-0 v shelbourne Both mean feck all. It's about fitness and continuity to be ready for July 12th and winning Betfred cup group (hopefully with ease and using them as build up games to August 3rd) The only good thing about winning friendlies is that winning should breed confindence no matter the level and a defeat could have opposite influence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 6 hours ago, RudiHMFC said: Same if you're a Levein-in thicko, 1-1 to either side so far in pre season. Nah, most of the happy clappers are saying friendly results mean nothing. On this thread all are or some have been sarcastic. Not sure anyone is using a friendly win to heap praise on CL. Many did use a defeat against him tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haringshairband Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Friendlies don't (or shouldn't) mean anything to the fans, they are away to assess players, build fitness and work on different shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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