Guest ToqueJambo Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 09/06/2019 at 12:18, frankblack said: English managers will only come up here if they need to regain some reputation because they aren't wanted by other clubs down south after a couple of bad positions. Early days but Heckingbottom is showing how managers from English leagues can totally underestimate the quality up here. I don't think it's a coincidence that managers from NI tend to do better here. They don't bring with them that sense of superiority that is ingrained in many people in English football - pundits, fans, managers, players - when it comes to their thoughts on Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 I still think he is the type of manager we should be looking at And there is a vacancy now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris 84 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 give us your sales pitch as to why you’re continuing to punt this guy? Why, Nigel Adkins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/lee-darnbrough-hearts-hull-city-recruitment-chief-linked-tynecastle-sporting-director-role-852867 Maybe will be Adkins ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/lee-darnbrough-hearts-hull-city-recruitment-chief-linked-tynecastle-sporting-director-role-852867 Maybe will be Adkins ... Hmmmm.... FWIW, I have always liked listening to Adkins, very positive & engaging when he talks and I could see players wanting to play for him in that regard.... Hmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/lee-darnbrough-hearts-hull-city-recruitment-chief-linked-tynecastle-sporting-director-role-852867 Maybe will be Adkins ... Supposedly Darnbrough is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 There are going to be plusses and minuses for any candidate. Feel he is not upwardly mobile at the moment, but he clearly had it at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 He is a trained Physiotherapist (Adkins ) as well.Might cut down on the injuries 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: He is a trained Physiotherapist (Adkins ) as well.Might cut down on the injuries 🤣 Was a former goalie as well, might kill 3 birds with one stone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Was a former goalie as well, might kill 3 birds with one stone! Going to save a lot of wages if this is the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theme From Sparta F.C. Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: He is a trained Physiotherapist (Adkins ) as well.Might cut down on the injuries 🤣 That would be fantastic!!👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 05/09/2019 at 19:29, ToqueJambo said: Early days but Heckingbottom is showing how managers from English leagues can totally underestimate the quality up here. I don't think it's a coincidence that managers from NI tend to do better here. They don't bring with them that sense of superiority that is ingrained in many people in English football - pundits, fans, managers, players - when it comes to their thoughts on Scottish football. Might also explain why Scottish managers do better in English football than English managers do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 05/09/2019 at 19:29, ToqueJambo said: Early days but Heckingbottom is showing how managers from English leagues can totally underestimate the quality up here. I don't think it's a coincidence that managers from NI tend to do better here. They don't bring with them that sense of superiority that is ingrained in many people in English football - pundits, fans, managers, players - when it comes to their thoughts on Scottish football. I want that sense of superiority, not the camping out for a draw with Livi, St Mirren and so on. I want our managers to play our best team, not counter the oppositions. I want them to think we can win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J80MBO Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Can we start keeping to serious suggestions. Moyes-esk shouts that would never happen exhausting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Adkins would be a great move imo. Knows his stuff and comes across as a decent bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 59 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Was a former goalie as well, might kill 3 birds with one stone! Can he play up front ala Myles Hogarth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, J80MBO said: Can we start keeping to serious suggestions. Moyes-esk shouts that would never happen exhausting 😨🤤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I want that sense of superiority, not the camping out for a draw with Livi, St Mirren and so on. I want our managers to play our best team, not counter the oppositions. I want them to think we can win the league I've been shot down for suggesting this previously but totally agree. I like Adkins and would be happy enough with him Edited November 6, 2019 by Jamhammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 He was doing well at Hull and I think they made a mistake letting him go. What came across was he gets the players being positive and working together. That's (at least) the third ex English Championship manager mentioned (Nathan Jones and Daniel Stendel). I think some leeway needs to be given to records in the English Championship with such a competitive league and difficulties around finances, owners and squads especially for promoted or relegated sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 According to EEN, Ann is looking at another Hull bloke for the SD role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I want that sense of superiority, not the camping out for a draw with Livi, St Mirren and so on. I want our managers to play our best team, not counter the oppositions. I want them to think we can win the league Indeed. The criteria should include not settling for 3rd best and seeing it as a success. That's a minimum requirement, not a ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fun Boaby said: Indeed. The criteria should include not settling for 3rd best and seeing it as a success. That's a minimum requirement, not a ceiling. What manager will accept third as a minimum requirement when we don’t even have the 3rd biggest wage bill? Unrealistic. I think Levein not being here has brought out as much nonsense as him being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: According to EEN, Ann is looking at another Hull bloke for the SD role. Rod’s deed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, GavK1012 said: Hmmmm.... FWIW, I have always liked listening to Adkins, very positive & engaging when he talks and I could see players wanting to play for him in that regard.... Hmmmm..... Adkins talks shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 He’s been on SSN a few times over the last wee while. Likes the sound of his own voice I reckon. No idea of his managerial abilities 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Adkins talks shite If you say so chief 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kdogg Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, BelgeJambo said: Rod’s deed 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: What manager will accept third as a minimum requirement when we don’t even have the 3rd biggest wage bill? Unrealistic. I think Levein not being here has brought out as much nonsense as him being here. The type of manager that can get that little extra out of players. The type of manager who can get the team being greater than the sum of its parts. The type of manager who doesn’t know that their team is meant to slot into a position based on finance. Thankfully Leicester are no longer a one hit wonder. Ranieri won the league and Rodgers has them sitting third. How very dare they!!! They should be realistic and be what? Twelfth going on budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 hours ago, BelgeJambo said: Rod’s deed Does that mean he is no longer getting paid as well..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Could do worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 No chance of a Milinkovoch return if this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: The type of manager that can get that little extra out of players. The type of manager who can get the team being greater than the sum of its parts. The type of manager who doesn’t know that their team is meant to slot into a position based on finance. Thankfully Leicester are no longer a one hit wonder. Ranieri won the league and Rodgers has them sitting third. How very dare they!!! They should be realistic and be what? Twelfth going on budget? Leicester last season had the 9th biggest wage bill in the EPL. Where did they finish in the table? Also worth noting that the biggest gap in wages within the EPL was Watford on £86m to Manchester United on £296m. The gap between Hearts and Celtic is £6m - £59m. My main gripe was with your inaccurate use of the phrase ‘minimum requirement’. When Leicester won the EPL their minimum requirement was to stay in the league. No manager will come to Hearts and accept 3rd as a minimum requirement. However that does not preclude them from showing much greater ambition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biguche Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 13 hours ago, doctor jambo said: I want that sense of superiority, not the camping out for a draw with Livi, St Mirren and so on. I want our managers to play our best team, not counter the oppositions. I want them to think we can win the league There's a realistic chance of us winning the league next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Biguche said: There's a realistic chance of us winning the league next season Another Championship title to add to our honours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethan14 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Biguche said: There's a realistic chance of us winning the league next season No there is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Biguche said: There's a realistic chance of us winning the league next season Scottish Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 13 hours ago, BelgeJambo said: Rod’s deed Good guy, who fits the criteria. Loves the birds and hates the green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ethan14 said: No there is not I accept fans thinking that, but I don’t want any player, manage, or coach, who signs for the club believing we cannot win the league, regardless oh how remote it may be. That is a loser’s mentality, and will give you no chance. Edited November 7, 2019 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Good guy, who fits the criteria. Loves the birds and hates the green. PHM. (Puppet Hand Man) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: PHM. (Puppet Hand Man) 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biguche Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 52 minutes ago, ethan14 said: No there is not 47 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Scottish Championship? 56 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Another Championship title to add to our honours! Whoosh moment for Ethan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bn jambo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Good guy, who fits the criteria. Loves the birds and hates the green. Don't think he could scale the heights though, think it would come crashing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: What manager will accept third as a minimum requirement when we don’t even have the 3rd biggest wage bill? Unrealistic. I think Levein not being here has brought out as much nonsense as him being here. We need to have a longer term view imo. 3rd/4th- qualify for Europe. Do what we can in the cups That goes for any manager. Then Do the above constantly. Then aim for the group stages. Basically what Aberdeen have done but a step further. With our infrastructure, imo we can do that, or at least have it as a realistic goal. If we achieved that, then go from there. We should be looking at a manager that would see this is a challenge but achievable. Any new manager also knows we are a patient and supportive club at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, bn jambo said: Don't think he could scale the heights though, think it would come crashing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Leicester last season had the 9th biggest wage bill in the EPL. Where did they finish in the table? Also worth noting that the biggest gap in wages within the EPL was Watford on £86m to Manchester United on £296m. The gap between Hearts and Celtic is £6m - £59m. My main gripe was with your inaccurate use of the phrase ‘minimum requirement’. When Leicester won the EPL their minimum requirement was to stay in the league. No manager will come to Hearts and accept 3rd as a minimum requirement. However that does not preclude them from showing much greater ambition. The ambition of those leading Hearts including the Board is to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconic Idiot Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The ambition of those leading Hearts including the Board is to win the league. Which league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Leicester last season had the 9th biggest wage bill in the EPL. Where did they finish in the table? Also worth noting that the biggest gap in wages within the EPL was Watford on £86m to Manchester United on £296m. The gap between Hearts and Celtic is £6m - £59m. My main gripe was with your inaccurate use of the phrase ‘minimum requirement’. When Leicester won the EPL their minimum requirement was to stay in the league. No manager will come to Hearts and accept 3rd as a minimum requirement. However that does not preclude them from showing much greater ambition. Quoted the wrong person there as I never used that term. Regardless of terminology used, any potential new manager will undoubtedly be made aware of the expectation level. If they are not comfortable with it they won’t get the job. I don’t think the Hearts board are going to employ someone who - from the off - states they can’t meet the expected performance level. I’d be amazed if there were many employed - in any walk of life - after stating they won’t accept the stipulations of the post. Anyway, it’s a moot point, as you can bet your bottom dollar the new man will be confident he can achieve what’s set out for him. Whether he does or not is what ultimately keeps him in the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The ambition of those leading Hearts including the Board is to win the league. They would be better concentrating on finishing 3rd or 4th first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldstone Wonder Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 He's an arse. The Alan Partridge of football management. Not for me, Clive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumjambo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: We need to have a longer term view imo. 3rd/4th- qualify for Europe. Do what we can in the cups That goes for any manager. Then Do the above constantly. Then aim for the group stages. Basically what Aberdeen have done but a step further. With our infrastructure, imo we can do that, or at least have it as a realistic goal. If we achieved that, then go from there. We should be looking at a manager that would see this is a challenge but achievable. Any new manager also knows we are a patient and supportive club at the top. This 100% Also Adkins would be very interesting, looks to have a great CV and well experienced -as stated earlier could see it as a challenge well worth exploring regardless of the salary available. I cannot understand what manager wouldn't fancy a crack at the above. I believe he chose not to renew his contract with Hull , so may well be looking for a steady opportunity to build something within a club that will allow him time in which to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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