Would you Vote ❎ differently now in the European Union Referendum

[shaun.lawson]

Two questions for anyone suggesting, absent of all reason, that the UK leaving will somehow prompt others to do the same. 

 

1. Do you think how the UK's behaved over the past 3 years has inspired any other country in the EU to do likewise? Really? Really?

 

2. Please explain how 27 EU member states have remained united throughout - while one member state, the UK, hasn't had a clue what it wanted at any point throughout?

 

Yours expectantly, etc etc... 

Edited March 24, 2019 by shaun.lawson

[shaun.lawson]

3 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said:

I do understand why the other countries in the European Union want us to stay in. The vast majority of them are up to their necks in debt and depend on money coming from the EU to keep them afloat. The main contributors financially are Germany, France and the United Kingdom. With the removal of the finance provided by the UK the onus would fall on German and French citizens to maintain the level of payments somehow, something they won't want to do. Their industries, most notably the car industries, are already in panic mode at the thought of the UK leaving. My thoughts were and will remain that once the UK is out other countries will follow very quickly.

 

Most of the posts on this thread are sensible, reflective and balanced. This one is so full of puffed-up arrogance, insularity and sheer mindboggling delusion, it's terrifying.

 

Truly, more deluded than anything any Hibs fan has ever come out with. 

[AlphonseCapone]

3 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Most of the posts on this thread are sensible, reflective and balanced. This one is so full of puffed-up arrogance, insularity and sheer mindboggling delusion, it's terrifying.

 

Truly, more deluded than anything any Hibs fan has ever come out with. 

 

the irony. 

[chuck berrys hairline]

If the last vote isn't respected then it's going to open a can of worms for every vote that proceeds. Awaaahhh I didn't get what I want I want another vote. Leftist liberals at their finest ?

[Restonbabe]

11 hours ago, Class of 75 said:

Sorry mate have to disagree. There had to be a referendum followung the Lisbon Treaty which further cemented EU centralisation. The EU was forging ahead with the change from the Common Market to a Superbloc without having the decency to consult the various electorates. Unfortunately the Establishment  did not think Britain would vote to leave after reluctantly granting a referendum. 

Yup. 

Pretty much an United state of Europe where no single country has a parliament and in time a centralist single European army. 

If you logically think about it. The eurozone already has all the building blocks of a one nation dictatorship. 

 

Own central bank

Own currancy 

Own parliament 

Own laws

Own court

And quietly building up so others can't have a say or back out of it. 

 

Brexit needs to happen NOW. 

 

 

[Class of 75]

1 minute ago, Restonbabe said:

Yup. 

Pretty much an United state of Europe where no single country has a parliament and in time a centralist single European army. 

If you logically think about it. The eurozone already has all the building blocks of a one nation dictatorship. 

 

Own central bank

Own currancy 

Own parliament 

Own laws

Own court

And quietly building up so others can't have a say or back out of it. 

 

Brexit needs to happen NOW. 

 

 

100% agree. 

[Class of 75]

4 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

Two questions for anyone suggesting, absent of all reason, that the UK leaving will somehow prompt others to do the same. 

 

1. Do you think how the UK's behaved over the past 3 years has inspired any other country in the EU to do likewise? Really? Really?

 

2. Please explain how 27 EU member states have remained united throughout - while one member state, the UK, hasn't had a clue what it wanted at any point throughout?

 

Yours expectantly, etc etc... 

Countries are on the turn. Look how the EU dealt with Greece, turned a blind eye to Catalonia and has incurred opposition within Italy and Hungary. 

[shaun.lawson]

2 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Countries are on the turn. Look how the EU dealt with Greece, turned a blind eye to Catalonia and has incurred opposition within Italy and Hungary. 

 

Which countries are 'on the turn'? Which countries are looking to leave the EU? The UK... and no-one else.

 

There's a quite massive difference between criticism of the EU - which of course is common - and looking to blow the whole thing up, which only we have done: shooting ourselves in the process. You should ask yourself why in Greece, Spain or Italy, none of the populist movements there - Syriza, Podemos, or the Five Star Movement - even want to leave the euro, let alone the EU.

 

And in countries with far right governments - Hungary, Poland, Austria to an extent - they're not looking to leave either. Europe has problems, certainly. Many of them. The approach of its governments and peoples is "better inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in". 

[Class of 75]

7 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Which countries are 'on the turn'? Which countries are looking to leave the EU? The UK... and no-one else.

 

There's a quite massive difference between criticism of the EU - which of course is common - and looking to blow the whole thing up, which only we have done: shooting ourselves in the process. You should ask yourself why in Greece, Spain or Italy, none of the populist movements there - Syriza, Podemos, or the Five Star Movement - even want to leave the euro, let alone the EU.

 

And in countries with far right governments - Hungary, Poland, Austria to an extent - they're not looking to leave either. Europe has problems, certainly. Many of them. The approach of its governments and peoples is "better inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in". 

I think you may be over optimistic about the EU's future there. Hungary's President is a keen opponent of the EU and has been vocal in the past of their intentions to open up membership to Turkey. With regards to Italy their socialist government is considering holding a referendum on membership in the future. All depends if the EU allows them to do so. 

[doctor jambo]

I am a remainer, always have been, but if we are leaving I want a hard brexit.

The deal is not TM’s deal , it’s the EU’s deal, and it’s a stinker.

Leave,  and give ourselves full control over all levers to dig ourselves out.

and keep our £39 billion .

[ri Alban]

38 minutes ago, Restonbabe said:

Yup. 

Pretty much an United state of Europe where no single country has a parliament and in time a centralist single European army. 

If you logically think about it. The eurozone already has all the building blocks of a one nation dictatorship. 

 

Own central bank

Own currancy 

Own parliament 

Own laws

Own court

And quietly building up so others can't have a say or back out of it. 

 

Brexit needs to happen NOW. 

 

 

Sounds like the UK. 

[shaun.lawson]

Just now, ri Alban said:

Sounds like the UK. 

 

 

[CavySlaveJambo]

47 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said:

If the last vote isn't respected then it's going to open a can of worms for every vote that proceeds. Awaaahhh I didn't get what I want I want another vote. Leftist liberals at their finest ?

 

Any vote, no matter whether it is mandatory or binding, where there is proven criminal activitiy should be rerun.  This one escaped because it was Advisory not Mandatory. 

 

 

[ri Alban]

6 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

 

It really is bizarre, these No voting brexiteers.  

[ri Alban]

18 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

 

Democracy, good one. You'd think every man and woman had casted their vote for Governments at Wm forever. You really can tell Brits anything and they'd believe you.  Membership of the EU is just that, membership, not some overlordship. I wonder if the EU parliament was situated in London that brexiteers would even exist.

Edited March 24, 2019 by ri Alban

[JamboX2]

Remain. Best deal for the UK is to remain.

 

Would settle for a soft-Brexit: Norway +

 

Would accept a referendum on the following terms: May's Deal v Remain.

 

But I think whatever we do the nation has embarrassed itself. This is a generational slump in international standing which will take many years to recover from. Of we had politicians of any standing and with a deep intellect then we would use this as a year 0 moment - both remaining and leaving - to reshape our nation:

 

- electoral reform (votes for 16 y.o. and some form of PR)

- parliamentary reform (Lords abolition and increased power to the speaker)

- a total rethink on foreign policy

- a total rethink on media ownership 

- a total rethink on how we view ourselves, less adherence to the WW2 mindset and view of the world

 

Brexit is a deeper issue, as is independence, than just immigration and the EU and has revealed a crisis in our systems. 

[skinnybob72]

The argument that people are wanting a second referendum because "we didn't know this" or "we didn't know that" at the time of the original vote is a poor excuse. Since when did any political party do what they promised at an election?

 

When people voted for the SNP at the last elections they didn't know that they would do away with the 3% cap on council tax or bring in legislation that will allow local councils to introduce a 'parking at work tax'. Small things, but things that will make the average working family worse off - and a lot of the arguments for a second EU referendum are because people will / might be worse off post Brexit. 

 

So, should those who voted Tory / Labour / Lib Dem at the last elections march on Holyrood and demand another vote because they don't like the fact that the SNP are in (albeit a minority) government in Scotland? 

 

I can just about agree with a second Indy referendum up here if Brexit goes ahead - but not until things have settled down and we see the full impact of Brexit. And even then, if we do have a second Indy vote, the SNP need to have concrete proof that an Independent Scotland will be permitted to rejoin the EU and exactly what currency we will be using. Otherwise it just becomes another Brexit with post result arguing about "we didn't know this" or "we didn't know that". 

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

I am a remainer, always have been, but if we are leaving I want a hard brexit.

The deal is not TM’s deal , it’s the EU’s deal, and it’s a stinker.

Leave,  and give ourselves full control over all levers to dig ourselves out.

and keep our £39 billion .

I agree totally, I voted remain but I don't understand why the Mps voted against No Deal it was a bargaining tool if nothing else 

If we left with No Deal it would be a No Deal for the EU also we would have more negociative power to deal with the EU than the deal on the table now 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by Old Castle Rock

[FWJ]

18 hours ago, Marvin said:

Was Remain and still Remain 

 

Brexit should happen now. Pissed of with it now.

 

No to a people's vote. Having another vote makes a mockery of British legislation. We gave the public the vote; people voted and we are now paying for the biggest  backfire in my lifetime.

This is exactly where I am.

Maybe when it’s all gone t**s up there will be another vote - or a party will have it explicitly in its manifesto that they will (try to) get us back in.

Would Europe have us again - sitting on the sidelines moaning & b****ing?

[SwindonJambo]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

It really is bizarre, these No voting brexiteers.  

There are loads of Yes voting Brexiteers too, just over a third of them.

And just under half of No voters voted remain.

It is a very long way from being a correlation to Yes v No to Indy as Nicola Sturgeon found when she beat the drum for a 2nd Independence referendum in Spring 2017 and lost 21 seats at the UK GE, 3 months later!

Edited March 24, 2019 by SwindonJambo

[Jambo-Jimbo]

8 hours ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

I was at the Rock Werchter Festival near Brussels 1 week after the vote. I was front row and got talking to music fans of many different nationalities. Dissatisfaction with the EU is far from limited to these shores, with the most Eurosceptics to be found in Scandinavia. Like ourselves, Denmark and Sweden both refused to join the Euro. If we leave and don't unduly suffer, I too believe others will follow.

 

The problems began when it slowly morphed from a free trade area into something resembling a a supra national government with some legislative powers. If it had stayed as a mere free trade area, there would never have been a vote in the 1st place. The 1975 vote was 67 percent remain.

 

 

Spot on the money, nobody signed up for what the EU has become, the UK joined an economic trading bloc in 1973 (EEC) and if it had stayed like that there wouldn't be a brexit or anything like it.

  

The UK public never got a say on whether they wanted to be part of a larger European State with all the closer political, legal, monetary ties etc etc, despite being promised a referendum by Tony Blair who later went back on his word to let the British people have a say if they wanted closer ties with the EU, one can only conclude that Blair knew the British public would reject the closer ties, perhaps that's why he didn't hold one, as he was scared that he might lose it.

The UK public's disquiet about the way the EU has been going isn't something new, it's been around for decades, long before your Johnston's & your Mogg's et al came along.

 

Closer ties with Europe has been a thorn in the side of every UK government Tory or Labour for as long as I can remember.

[blairdin]

Was remain. Still remain. 

 

Brexit however should happen. That's our democracy. 

 

If the deal on the table is the only deal the EU will give us (and I think it is) , the people should get a referendum on leaving with the deal or 'Norway style' (open borders/soft Brexit) or no deal. 

[Martin_T]

Can I assume that all those who favour leave, also favour Scottish independence? That would seem to at least be consistent on the premise of smaller nation states being better placed to set political and economic policy?

[Bridge of Djoum]

18 hours ago, Marvin said:

Was Remain and still Remain 

 

Brexit should happen now. Pissed of with it now.

 

No to a people's vote. Having another vote makes a mockery of British legislation. We gave the public the vote; people voted and we are now paying for the biggest  backfire in my lifetime.

This is how I see it. I was unable to vote, also. Given the choice I'd have voted remain. The fact we are now calling for another vote just is not democratic. The people DID vote, they DID choose. Whether you agree or not, or whether it's the correct decision or not, it was democratic. Or as democratic as any other vote in history. Mis-information, untruths and plain lies have been part of the election and voting process since day 1.You simply cannot call for another vote until you get the decision you want. That is indeed making a mockery of the process. Brexit and the Trump election were 2 of the biggest political surprises in my lifetime. The backlash against these democratic processes has been embarrassing. BTW I despise Trump and his government. Same with Scottish independence. The chance has been offered and lost. 

 

This post may seem I'm pro Tory/Brexit, may seem I'm anti Scottish indy or I'm a Trump supporter. I'm none of these things. But I'm a firm believer in the will and power of democracy. 

 

 

 

 

[Bridge of Djoum]

18 hours ago, indianajones said:

Voted leave first time. Not sure how I would vote again - not that bothered to be honest. I do not like certain aspects of the EU but leaving would probably see an accelerated Scottish independence.  Would we then rejoin the EU? Who knows. Would I be upset/happy if we did? Again, i have no idea. 

 

All I wanted was to see the Conservative party and Westminster in turmoil which seems to have worked. 

Voted yes for a peoples vote. I dont think it makes a mockery. People are now a lot more educated on the subject and putting it back to the people would cement their views. I still think the result would be leave for the record with an increased remain vote in Scotland. 

 

 

The information to educate themselves was there before. 

[Bridge of Djoum]

15 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Isn't that always the case, no matter what the vote is for or who is running the vote?

When did politicians care about you? 

They only care about getting your vote, then once they have it don't give a flying funk about you.

Very good post. People acting as if this was the 1st time they'd been given false info/lied to during a political campaign.

[Bridge of Djoum]

15 hours ago, Martin_T said:

 

'Leaders' are elected to act in what they perceive as the best interests of this country.

 

This nonsense that somehow the 'elite' want to stop Brexit should be called out for the bollocks that it is. Murdoch, Johnson, Farage, Banks are as elite as they come and all are championing Brexit.

 

Regardless, there is virtually no country in the world that doesn't want to have a good trading relationship with its near neighbors. The UK economy is a largely service based economy of which the vast majority of those services are exported to the EU. Loss of or restricted access to those markets even on a temporary basis will make the country as a whole a lot poorer, and in any event we would want to come to terms with our trading partners eventually anyway, except we would be in a weakened negotiating position.

 

The pragmatic choice is remain, the anarchic choice is leave.

Either way, the people have voted. Democracy won.

[redjambo]

7 hours ago, ri Alban said:

If this doesn't lead to Scottish Independence as a member of Europe, I hope it gets reversed and the UK burns.

 

So in effect you hope that the poorest in society will suffer (which is always what happens with economic disasters and the like)?

 

I've said this before and I'll say this again, you are doing the cause of Scottish independence no favours at all with your slaverings, ri Alban. In fact, quite the opposite. You appear to have no care or empathy at all for other people who do not share your viewpoint. You also express your views in a rabid unthinking way. You are part of the problem, not any solution.

[redjambo]

D.P. Fecking computers.

Edited March 24, 2019 by redjambo

[Bridge of Djoum]

10 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said:

I originally voted to leave and I would vote to leave again now. Any attempt at another people vote would totally destroy democracy, the people voted and the majority vote was to leave. You cannot them have another vote just so you get a result that may suit those in parliament who hold sovereignty.

 

I do understand why the other countries in the European Union want us to stay in. The vast majority of them are up to their necks in debt and depend on money coming from the EU to keep them afloat. The main contributors financially are Germany, France and the United Kingdom. With the removal of the finance provided by the UK the onus would fall on German and French citizens to maintain the level of payments somehow, something they won't want to do. Their industries, most notably the car industries, are already in panic mode at the thought of the UK leaving. My thoughts were and will remain that once the UK is out other countries will follow very quickly.

[Bridge of Djoum]

7 hours ago, ri Alban said:

If this doesn't lead to Scottish Independence as a member of Europe, I hope it gets reversed and the UK burns.

You advocate Scotland burning?

 

Very odd viewpoint.

 

Scottish nationalists are the most crushing bores on the planet. 

[Bridge of Djoum]

7 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Most of the posts on this thread are sensible, reflective and balanced. This one is so full of puffed-up arrogance, insularity and sheer mindboggling delusion, it's terrifying.

 

Truly, more deluded than anything any Hibs fan has ever come out with. 

You have zero self awareness. Not a crumb of it. The arrogance of your posting, both here and on other platforms is known by many. 

 

Please, just do one.

[Martin_T]

6 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said:

Either way, the people have voted. Democracy won.

 

..... and as a democrat, now that the consequences of leaving with no deal are known, which was never advocated by either leave campaign at the time, you'll be happy to have a further confirmatory referendum on that basis?

 

The more democracy the better by your argument. Especially as the narrative of many arguing to leave the EU is that it's undemocratic.

[Bridge of Djoum]

Just now, Martin_T said:

 

..... and as a democrat, now that the consequences of leaving with no deal are known, which was never advocated by either leave campaign at the time, you'll be happy to have a further confirmatory referendum on that basis?

 

The more democracy the better by your argument. Especially as the narrative of many arguing to leave the EU is that it's undemocratic.

I see your point and as much as I agree, was that an option on the original ballot? The question was simply..leave/remain? You cannot change the question to suit the answer you desire. 

[Martin_T]

Just now, Bridge of Djoum said:

I see your point and as much as I agree, was that an option on the original ballot? The question was simply..leave/remain? You cannot change the question to suit the answer you desire. 

 

It was an advisory and not legally binding referendum. Now that the terms and consequences are clearer, it seems rationale to have a further confirmatory referendum.

 

..... and as say that as someone who thinks referenda are an abdication of parliamentary responsibility.

[Bridge of Djoum]

4 minutes ago, Martin_T said:

 

It was an advisory and not legally binding referendum. Now that the terms and consequences are clearer, it seems rationale to have a further confirmatory referendum.

 

..... and as say that as someone who thinks referenda are an abdication of parliamentary responsibility.

Are they clearer? I'm not sure that's true.

 

I find it hard to disagree with you, after all I'd have voted remain. As for the advisory v legally binding issue, I do not know enough about that to go deep on it. I do, however, understand any referendum in the UK is not legally binding. Have the people questioning the legality of this one also questioned the legality of others they were more favorable towards?

 

Also, if there were a 2nd referendum on the terms of Brexit, why should that be listened to if not legally binding? 

Edited March 24, 2019 by Bridge of Djoum

[Francis Albert]

Didn't vote for reasons I won't bore you with but would have voted Remain but without any great enthusiasm because there is so much I don't like about the EU.

If there was another vote I'd vote Leave because the attempts from day one after the first vote to ignore or reverse that vote nauseate me and have left many people wondering what the point of voting is, which is dangerous.

Incidentally the poll seems to confirm what was obvious - this forum or at least those actively posting on Brexit is/are far more strongly pro-Remain than Scotland or any part of it

Edited March 24, 2019 by Francis Albert

[Roxy Hearts]

2 hours ago, Martin_T said:

Can I assume that all those who favour leave, also favour Scottish independence? That would seem to at least be consistent on the premise of smaller nation states being better placed to set political and economic policy?

I voted leave and support independence to further the cause for it. I would be happy to remain if it meant Scotland could manage its own affairs and relationships with the EU. 

[Cade]

I was always Remain and am still Remain.

 

In fact I've always been of the view that the UK should have gone deeper in to the EU and had a seat at the top table alongside Germany and France and being able to help shape the future of the project, rather than constantly standing with one foot out of the door, pissing and moaning and demanding all sorts of special treatment and generally being a disruptive prick.

 

It's telling that even after more than 40 years as a member of the evolving community, so many Brits don't have a clue how it actually works; even our so-called leaders don't have a scooby about how things actually operate in the EU.

The lies, misinformation, mistaken assumptions and general ignorance of EU mechanisms pervading all strata of UK society is staggering and shameful.

 

 

[Bridge of Djoum]

19 minutes ago, Cade said:

I was always Remain and am still Remain.

 

In fact I've always been of the view that the UK should have gone deeper in to the EU and had a seat at the top table alongside Germany and France and being able to help shape the future of the project, rather than constantly standing with one foot out of the door, pissing and moaning and demanding all sorts of special treatment and generally being a disruptive prick.

 

It's telling that even after more than 40 years as a member of the evolving community, so many Brits don't have a clue how it actually works; even our so-called leaders don't have a scooby about how things actually operate in the EU.

The lies, misinformation, mistaken assumptions and general ignorance of EU mechanisms pervading all strata of UK society is staggering and shameful.

 

 

It's not just people in the UK who are ignorant of the EU structure and mechanisms. 

[The Comedian]

4 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

Remain. Best deal for the UK is to remain.

 

Would settle for a soft-Brexit: Norway +

 

Would accept a referendum on the following terms: May's Deal v Remain.

 

But I think whatever we do the nation has embarrassed itself. This is a generational slump in international standing which will take many years to recover from. Of we had politicians of any standing and with a deep intellect then we would use this as a year 0 moment - both remaining and leaving - to reshape our nation:

 

- electoral reform (votes for 16 y.o. and some form of PR)

- parliamentary reform (Lords abolition and increased power to the speaker)

- a total rethink on foreign policy

- a total rethink on media ownership 

- a total rethink on how we view ourselves, less adherence to the WW2 mindset and view of the world

 

Brexit is a deeper issue, as is independence, than just immigration and the EU and has revealed a crisis in our systems. 

 

Good post but can I question something. Why should remain be on any ballot paper? 

 

Remaining in the EU was comprehensively beaten in the 2016 referendum. You can argue that what kind of leave we were voting for wasn't clear but you cannot say the same about remain.

 

Everyone from the gutter to the boardroom knew to stay in the EU and carry on as we have been all you had to do was vote remain. A majority did not.

 

Now unless the leave voter's were also too stupid to know what they were voting for, I think it's fair to say a very simple, clearly defined and expensively campaigned for choice was not taken. The goal was empty, ball rolling along the line and the Remain team booted the ball high into the stand.

 

It's a question of how we leave now, if anything. Remain has been rejected and should be accepted as such.

[Auld Reekin']

40 minutes ago, Cade said:

I was always Remain and am still Remain.

 

In fact I've always been of the view that the UK should have gone deeper in to the EU and had a seat at the top table alongside Germany and France and being able to help shape the future of the project, rather than constantly standing with one foot out of the door, pissing and moaning and demanding all sorts of special treatment and generally being a disruptive prick.

 

It's telling that even after more than 40 years as a member of the evolving community, so many Brits don't have a clue how it actually works; even our so-called leaders don't have a scooby about how things actually operate in the EU.

The lies, misinformation, mistaken assumptions and general ignorance of EU mechanisms pervading all strata of UK society is staggering and shameful.

 

 

 

Exactly this for me too. Much better to be an integral part of the EU than to be the US's whining little pug-dog, begging for their GMO / hormone-laden / chlorine-washed scraps.

 

(p.s. Remain then and remain now.)

Edited March 24, 2019 by Auld Reekin'

[AlphonseCapone]

6 hours ago, Restonbabe said:

Yup. 

Pretty much an United state of Europe where no single country has a parliament and in time a centralist single European army. 

If you logically think about it. The eurozone already has all the building blocks of a one nation dictatorship. 

 

Own central bank

Own currancy 

Own parliament 

Own laws

Own court

And quietly building up so others can't have a say or back out of it. 

 

Brexit needs to happen NOW. 

 

 

 

None of those things equal dictatorship. Not sure you know the meaning. 

 

I can't decide which side of this debate are the biggest drama queens.

[Cade]

A dictatorship where every single member has a full veto

 

 

See what I mean about nobody having the slightest clue how the EU works?

[The Comedian]

10 minutes ago, Cade said:

A dictatorship where every single member has a full veto

 

 

See what I mean about nobody having the slightest clue how the EU works?

 

You aren't wrong there.

 

On a slightly flippant note, I wonder how many of yesterday's Remain protesters knew the name of their MEP in 2016? 

 

[luckydug]

I kind of agree with you about the UK attitude to the EU.

However I feel we have painted ourself into a corner with such a basic yes/no referendum.

We risk civil unrest if a second vote is held  where does it stop do we have best of three ?

[Cade]

The threat of violence by a few gammon faced lunatics being used as an excuse to force through an economy-wrecking hard brexit is no way to run a country.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

19 minutes ago, Cade said:

The threat of violence by a few gammon faced lunatics being used as an excuse to force through an economy-wrecking hard brexit is no way to run a country.

 

 

Imagine if the whole Brexit negotiation was driven by the threat (a rather more realistic threat) of gunmen and bombers blowing up customs posts or even non-intrusive number plate recognition cameras. (I can't describe their faces because of the balaclavas). 

[Cade]

I think the threat of breaching an ACTUAL PEACE TREATY is more of a threat than some angry weathspoons pricks

[DETTY29]

I know we should respect the initial democratic vote but,

 

Fresh vote.

 

£350m set aside to investigate final result.

 

20 years inside for anyone breaking electoral rules.  From either side.