Haken Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sarah O said: It's quite simple really, the majority of our fans are not arseholes. Celtic/Rangers on the other hand are. Their pack arsehole mentality would make it dangerous. Our pack despair at our arseholes means it's a breeze to go in and pick out our soft-skulls. Our fans would part like the red sea to get rid. The highlighted sentence is bang on the money. I was being told a story by a guy who had been part of the police presence at a Livi/Rangers game a few seasons back. One Rangers fan needed to be removed due to his behaviour. However, the issue was that this was a 'Union Bear' (ooooh!) and the cops knew that if they went in, the rest of his UB mob would kick off. So the cops had a word with a couple of slightly more sober ones and got them to calm the guy down, and then the guy was arrested afterwards. You can see how a situation could easily get out of hand. Away fans object to the police wading in and start a bit of a sketch. Home fans say, 'I'm not having this at our ground!' and before you know it, you've got a running battle taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) The latest report of coin throwing at Firhill is worrying. It seems that throwing stuff has now become a thing. It's beyond pathetic. Edited March 6, 2019 by Haken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, chester copperpot said: Fair few groomers on this thread I reckon. Haven't been back since the embarrassment of Murrayfield (off the park not on it). Never had you down as lily livered, Chester. I'd be willing to wager that if we were challenging for top spot and tearing teams up for arse paper you wouldn't let the idiots bother you enough to keep you away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Haken said: The latest report of coin throwing at Firhill is worrying. It seems that throwing stuff has now become a thing. It's hardly a novel phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I didn't say it was novel. But it seems to have become an essential part of some folks' attendance. And there's definitley a media focus on it. It's moved slightly beyond 'isolated incidents' territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Haken said: I didn't say it was novel. But it seems to have become an essential part of some folks' attendance. And there's definitley a media focus on it. It's moved slightly beyond 'isolated incidents' territory. It seems to come and go in waves. Unfortunately, we seem to be on a bit of a cusp at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Saughton Jambo said: Someone went up to where the directors box was and gave AB a mouthful of abuse. He was then challenged by a Hearts fan to shut up. Stewards were involved and then the police came mob handed and seemed to arrest him. He was escorted from the area by two cops either with his arms up his back. It was only two rows from where I was situated Cheers mate. As I say couldn’t fully see was only the police sprinting along that caught my eye. To be honest given some of our support I’m surprised something like this hasn’t happened more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Haken said: I didn't say it was novel. But it seems to have become an essential part of some folks' attendance. And there's definitley a media focus on it. It's moved slightly beyond 'isolated incidents' territory. Media focus AND social media focus. They bleed into each other. On the one hand it makes more people aware and encourages more folk to call it out (as we are seeing here). On the other it provides exposure and encouragement to those that may be inclined to this sort of behaviour. I don't think it's ever been isolated incidents, only varying degrees of magnitude. We're just far more tuned-in to it for the reasons above. 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: It seems to come and go in waves. Unfortunately, we seem to be on a bit of a cusp at the moment. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, Haken said: The latest report of coin throwing at Firhill is worrying. It seems that throwing stuff has now become a thing. It's beyond pathetic. I was sitting directly behind Caldwell on Monday night, row D, (just along from the young team??), and I didnt see anything being thrown in his direction. Could well have happened but certainly not continuous as reported in DR. I watched Caldwell a lot during the match, he is a very animated coach and certainly didn’t enjoy the first half. Amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Never had you down as lily livered, Chester. I'd be willing to wager that if we were challenging for top spot and tearing teams up for arse paper you wouldn't let the idiots bother you enough to keep you away. I can promise you this I would not be near a game as I was ashamed that day mate. I have never missed a semi or final since following Hearts in the early 80's, however wont be near Hampden if we make it through this year. Disappoints me to say this as I miss it so much but just cannot justify ignoring these idiots. I guess that probably does make me lily livered but I cannot justify going any more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Cwapsy said: *Since If you’re going to correct someone, try to get it right. There has been multiple posts regarding the difference between Since I Was Young which a lot of hearts fans sing, and the sectarian Rangers song When I was Young which that small group have decided to add to their repertoire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Folk Devils and Moral Panics used to be the domain of the gutter press and Mary Whitehouse, now its ageing Hearts fans ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, chester copperpot said: I can promise you this I would not be near a game as I was ashamed that day mate. I have never missed a semi or final since following Hearts in the early 80's, however wont be near Hampden if we make it through this year. Disappoints me to say this as I miss it so much but just cannot justify ignoring these idiots. I guess that probably does make me lily livered but I cannot justify going any more! Sad to hear that, mate. Hopefully it's not too long a hiatus. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 The policing of this is as erratic as the referees. Thousands of celtic fans sing sectarian songs = **** all One Hearts fan verbally aggressive = arrest Bottle thrown at celtic player by hibs = **** all and police/stewards stand and watch game Coin thrown at same player 5 minutes later = **** all as police not looking at problem area Calling a player an Irish ***** = arrest and national coverage Thousands of rangers singing "Fenian *******" at Steve Clarke = **** all If i was a Government Minister watching, i would be asking severe questions of our police commanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Brian Dundas said: This is pretty much my take on last night, the atmosphere got pretty toxic long before the YT started any Budge pish and inside the ground there were very few noticeable naughty songs. However why some of them felt the need to stand in the isles up the back in the second half is beyond me and then again felt they had to all rush down and see what all the agro was in that stand near then end? Also saw them pre match with a much more extensive song book being belted out almost goading others to challenge them. As well as after them game a group were filming each other as they sang a lovely ditty about rather being from Pakistan than being a Tim, which was apparently hilarious as one of them was clearly although Scottish from a family moved here form that part of the world. Not offended, just don't see the need or desire......... Was it not the infamous EDL / SDL guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: I was sitting directly behind Caldwell on Monday night, row D, (just along from the young team??), and I didnt see anything being thrown in his direction. Could well have happened but certainly not continuous as reported in DR. I watched Caldwell a lot during the match, he is a very animated coach and certainly didn’t enjoy the first half. Amusing. Aye. I was in row C right on the half way line. Plenty abuse hurled at Caldwell, but I never seen anything else. Not saying it never happened, but pretty sure I'd see something if it was a shower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: I was sitting directly behind Caldwell on Monday night, row D, (just along from the young team??), and I didnt see anything being thrown in his direction. Could well have happened but certainly not continuous as reported in DR. I watched Caldwell a lot during the match, he is a very animated coach and certainly didn’t enjoy the first half. Amusing. Thats exactly where I was sitting too (D86 I think it was) and aye youre right Caldwell was great entertainment. Likewise I never saw anything being thrown at all. As a bonus the gorgeous Jane Lewis was on duty as a trackside reporter type thing. I must have spent more time watching her next to the home dug out in the first half than the game itself. She disappeared after half time though. Edited March 6, 2019 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: It's hardly a novel phenomenon. **** me is that a dart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 “But they are understood to have been shocked and angered by the sheer volume of loose change which was hurled into the technical area from tossers in the main stand - placing Caldwell, his back room team and substitutes in harm’s way.” Dont usually agree with what the record prints but they have described the coin throwers perfectly . Ffs Caldwell actually defended us up to a point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: **** me is that a dart? Yip, scary times then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 It is. If well aimed you could get one through the fence at ER when they first put it up. The gaps were too small for the golf-ball-and-nails combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: The policing of this is as erratic as the referees. Thousands of celtic fans sing sectarian songs = **** all One Hearts fan verbally aggressive = arrest Bottle thrown at celtic player by hibs = **** all and police/stewards stand and watch game Coin thrown at same player 5 minutes later = **** all as police not looking at problem area Calling a player an Irish ***** = arrest and national coverage Thousands of rangers singing "Fenian *******" at Steve Clarke = **** all If i was a Government Minister watching, i would be asking severe questions of our police commanders. 8,000 (approx) Hibs and Rangers fans swarm the Hampden pitch and knock the living shite out of each other as well as cause hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages = **** all Some idiot chucks a giant Cadburys button at Neil Lennon's thigh and the country is in uproar as we internally discuss closing sections of our support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Daily record reporting Gary Caldwell was having loads coins thrown in his direction on Monday evening ! This problem has once again became major problem at various grounds in Scotland and England this season and somebody gonna get seriously hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, davemclaren said: Yip, scary times then. What scarf is it before I crack a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: What scarf is it before I crack a joke? Hearts supporter at Easter Road iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighTimes Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 20 hours ago, i8hibsh said: They have as much right to a voice as you or anyone else. Still idiots though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: What scarf is it before I crack a joke? Woolen. Its a Man U fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: 8,000 (approx) Hibs and Rangers fans swarm the Hampden pitch and knock the living shite out of each other as well as cause hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages = **** all Some idiot chucks a giant Cadburys button at Neil Lennon's thigh and the country is in uproar as we internally discuss closing sections of our support. What's your take on Gary Caldwell being pelted by coins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: Hearts supporter at Easter Road iirc. In that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocub Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, upgotheheads said: Shouting abuse at your own team mates or someone like Ann Budge is never, ever, acceptable. Keep your abuse for the ref, you'll get plenty of opportunity in Scottish football. And what do you mean by 'messy'? Fans will vent their frustration at the owner when they feel the manager and team are underperforming ( and alot of fans are feeling this way) It happens at every club in the world when fans are pi$$3d off I can't see it being any different at hearts As for getting messy I mean fans falling out and folk losing there temper ( like the 2 guys having a punch up in the gorgie stand just after Brandon got sent off against Celtic last week. Hopefully we can get back to winning ways soon though as that makes everyone happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: What's your take on Gary Caldwell being pelted by coins? Ffs, against it quite obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, been here before said: Woolen. Its a Man U fan. Was it? My memory is going as I thought it was at Easter Road. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck berrys hairline Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: What scarf is it before I crack a joke? Sure it's a hearts fan. I was brought up on the tales of the 70/80's as darts and golf balls with nails drived through them were regular objects of choice. Tannadice was especially bad as supporters would just throw shit back and forth over the nets. Edited March 6, 2019 by chuck berrys hairline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This will never ever change, Thankfully it is now a very small minority and sadly every club has them! I think we do a decent job to keep it away from Tynecastle but you will never be rid of it. I can remember in the 80s and early 90s when nearly the whole ground would join in with singing sectarian songs, FFS some of your heads would be exploding if you were around then! "Away away away **** the pope and ira" "No pope of rome" "I was born under a Union Jack" These were all songs regularly sung by the shed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Was it? My memory is going as I thought it was at Easter Road. ? I think he is wearing that Man Utd shirt (white with black adidas stripes down the front) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Was it? My memory is going as I thought it was at Easter Road. ? The boys rocking a Man U 1975 away top... not all that common in the away end mid 70s Easter Road. 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: It's hardly a novel phenomenon. Another view... Edited March 6, 2019 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, chester copperpot said: Fair few groomers on this thread I reckon. Haven't been back since the embarrassment of Murrayfield (off the park not on it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: It's hardly a novel phenomenon. You have to ask if anyone on this thread is aware that Police Scotland do not wear pointy hats. This is from England but better not let that get in the way of some good old JKB seethe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, been here before said: The boys rocking a Man U 1975 away top... not all that common in the away end mid 70s Easter Road. Another view... The copper’s hat is a giveaway as well. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Was it? My memory is going as I thought it was at Easter Road. ? Look at the funny shaped police hat, , I always thought that picture was from a Spurs v chelsea game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: Look at the funny shaped police hat, , I always thought that picture was from a Spurs v chelsea game Liverpool v Man U. 1978. Edited March 6, 2019 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, been here before said: Livetpool v Man U. 1978. ?? Either way , oh ya ****er ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: ?? Either way , oh ya ****er ?? It seems his name is/was Peter Brookes. To clear up any doubt about it being at Easter Road I found this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This is all getting ridiculous now. Anything to deflect the attention from the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, 7628mm said: You have to ask if anyone on this thread is aware that Police Scotland do not wear pointy hats. This is from England but better not let that get in the way of some good old JKB seethe. Not one person is seething about this picture as it was clearly put up as a response to someone suggesting chucking stuff is a modern phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: Come on Dave. Sharpen up. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said: This is all getting ridiculous now. Anything to deflect the attention from the West. How's that ? If coins have been thrown at Gary Caldwell we can't defend that by saying it's somebody deflecting things away from the west ! It's the bam pots within our support drawing attention to hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Daily record reporting Gary Caldwell was having loads coins thrown in his direction on Monday evening ! This problem has once again became major problem at various grounds in Scotland and England this season and somebody gonna get seriously hurt. Didn’t happen. Daily Record trying to put spotlight on non-OF teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: How's that ? If coins have been thrown at Gary Caldwell we can't defend that by saying it's somebody deflecting things away from the west ! It's the bam pots within our support drawing attention to hearts Is there any evidence of this actually happening though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, been here before said: The boys rocking a Man U 1975 away top... not all that common in the away end mid 70s Easter Road. Another view... Who said the photo was from Easter Road? Edit. Just read that Dave did. Ffs Dave! Edited March 6, 2019 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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