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11 minutes ago, Rodger Mellie said:

 

FFS. If he wins I can't see him completing even one year as president. 

He's clearly not in a fit state of mind. On a personal level, I hope he's OK but if he's going to be President, he needs to know what year it is. 

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1 minute ago, Cruyff said:

He's clearly not in a fit state of mind. On a personal level, I hope he's OK but if he's going to be President, he needs to know what year it is. 

 

Trump is of sound mind?

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27 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

Actually, the people of Florida, via a constitutional amendment which they voted for in a 2018 referendum (with 64% in favour), gave ex cons their voting rights. Not ‘The Democrats’. The GOP then screwed with the people’s mandate.

Sorry was just repeating what was said on Sky today, who put forward the constitutional amendment for it to be voted upon?

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5 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

He's clearly not in a fit state of mind. On a personal level, I hope he's OK but if he's going to be President, he needs to know what year it is. 

 

It's pathetic that its a choice between Biden or Trump for president. My wife is just back from voting and couldn't bring herself to vote for any of those two and went for an independent (we live in a a blue state so her vote isn't going to affect the outcome).

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1 minute ago, Rodger Mellie said:

 

It's pathetic that its a choice between Biden or Trump for president. My wife is just back from voting and couldn't bring herself to vote for any of those two and went for an independent (we live in a a blue state so her vote isn't going to affect the outcome).

Any worse than BJ or Corbyn? Not many places have two party domination anymore.
Only the U.K. and Belarus in Europe have the FPTP system now. 

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4 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

First one in.

Indiana (11) called for Trump

 

As expected. Is that not where Pence is from?

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6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Sorry was just repeating what was said on Sky today, who put forward the constitutional amendment for it to be voted upon?


No worries - it was a coalition, which certainly had more Dem than GOP backing, but not a Dem proposal per se...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Florida_Amendment_4


Democrats are, however, clearly the party of voting rights.

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3 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:


No worries - it was a coalition, which certainly had more Dem than GOP backing, but not a Dem proposal per se...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Florida_Amendment_4


Democrats are, however, clearly the party of voting rights.

Thanks I just looked it up it said 4 democrats backed and 3 republicans tried to block it. Turned out most ex felons couldn’t afford to pay the fines so can’t vote, was the point the piece on Sky was making. Can’t see me staying to watch it though and we might not know the result for a while. 

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1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Any worse than BJ or Corbyn? Not many places have two party domination anymore.
Only the U.K. and Belarus in Europe have the FPTP system now. 

 

I liked some of Corbyn's ideas. It's frustrating Joe Biden is the best the Dems could do. I would have been delighted with  Elizabeth Warren, Bernie or Amy Klobucher.

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9 minutes ago, Rodger Mellie said:

 

I liked some of Corbyn's ideas. It's frustrating Joe Biden is the best the Dems could do. I would have been delighted with  Elizabeth Warren, Bernie or Amy Klobucher.

Corbyn would’ve been better than BJ, clueless about Scotland though. Democrats lesser of two evils, Bernie Sanders would’ve been good but I’m not sure if America is ready for a Jewish president, or a woman to be honest. 

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1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

Florida is exciting.Going right to the wire

 

I remember in 16 Hillary was slightly ahead at this point and then the rube counties won it for Donnie.

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Just now, vegas-voss said:

Florida is exciting.Going right to the wire


Looks likely that it goes to Trump at this point. Is a must-win for Trump but not for Biden.

 

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1 minute ago, JackLadd said:

 

I remember in 16 Hillary was slightly ahead at this point and then the rube counties won it for Donnie.

Aye I think he is going to steal it cause of Miami

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Just now, vegas-voss said:

Aye I think he is going to steal it cause of Miami

 

1 minute ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:


Looks likely that it goes to Trump at this point. Is a must-win for Trump but not for Biden.

 

It's not a State I've got as a Biden win anyway.

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3 minutes ago, Barack said:

 

It's not a State I've got as a Biden win anyway.


Yeah, Miami-Dade vote looking good for Trump (Cuban American vote, I’m sure) and the heavily Republican Panhandle not reporting yet. So meh.

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Just now, Riddley Walker said:

Apparently New York Times reporting Trump has 95% chance of winning Florida. 

Swinging back and forth min by min just now 

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1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said:

Are there any outright, known reasons why Trump is getting the Cuban vote in Florida?

 

They're infected by American stupidity. They think anything left of Hitler is a Castro.

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4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Do you have Ohio that is looking good just now


IMO, the order of battleground States likely to go to Biden (from most to least likely) is as follows. First two might not even be considered battlegrounds but I’ve put them in to be complete...


Minnesota

Nevada

Wisconsin

Michigan

Pennsylvania

Arizona

North Carolina

Texas

Florida (should probably move to bottom of list at this point)

Ohio

Georgia

 

 

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Just now, vegas-voss said:

Texas blue so far

Hold...!

 

Another I've said Biden won't win. But...there's definitely a demographic shift at play. Even more than Florida.

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6 minutes ago, Riddley Walker said:

Are there any outright, known reasons why Trump is getting the Cuban vote in Florida?


Yes - Cuban Americans are historically Republican leaning due to their hatred of the Castro regime and therefore anything even vaguely ‘left wing’. And this year, it looks like a strong get out the vote effort has paid dividends.

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6 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

They're infected by American stupidity. They think anything left of Hitler is a Castro.

 

Just now, Kalamazoo Jambo said:


Yes - Cuban Americans are historically Republican leaning due to their hatred of the Castro regime and therefore anything even vaguely ‘left wing’. And this year, it looks like a strong get out the vote effort has paid dividends.

 

Cheers, makes sense in a way, I suppose.

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4 minutes ago, Riddley Walker said:

Some worrying stats coming out of some of the Florida counties for Biden in terms of vote reversals from 2016.

Chillax about FL.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Riddley Walker said:

Some worrying stats coming out of some of the Florida counties for Biden in terms of vote reversals from 2016.

It's Miami is doing better than Hilary did everywhere else 

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7 minutes ago, Riddley Walker said:

 

 

Cheers, makes sense in a way, I suppose.

 

It's quite staggering, I heard one describe it on NPR radio recently. Went something like this.

"We have seen it all before with Castro, only the elites do well while everybody else gets shafted"

While right in front of their eyes Trump dishes out tax breaks to billionaires and Biden promises to tax billionaires more. It makes me wonder whose arse is your head stuck up? Your own or each others.

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