Back to 2005 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Bring it on. Show them up for the corrupt shower that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Pretty much every team with the exception of Celtic have lost out on points as a result of incompetence from the SFA so far this season. Imagine calling them out on it, massive fine for not just accepting that Morelos is a little silly sometimes and turning a blind eye to offside goals is just part of the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Barack said: As a learned friend has said previously to myself, go ahead and ban & fine Levein. Next step for Hearts...UEFA. Then, if needs be, the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They'll fold like Kyle Lafferty at a $2 Poker Table, in Vegas. Learned friend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, ramrod said: This is obv came after pressure from the refs . This Clare Whyte character is clearly out her depth . Some of the citings and non citings have been bafflingly to say the least . Ex Procurator Fiscal Depute with a footballing background apparently. Quote from the STV about her. Whyte, who has experience in grassroots football, holds an undergraduate degree and diploma in Legal Practice from the University of Strathclyde as well as a Masters degree in International Human Rights Law from the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranraer-jambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 48 minutes ago, The Future's Maroon said: Anyone remember back in his first stint he was fined and refused to pay it. Similar stance upcoming. 54 minutes ago, Deevers said: I think they might have bitten off more than they chew with Craig. Craig will not take this lieing down, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barack said: As a learned friend has said previously to myself, go ahead and ban & fine Levein. Next step for Hearts...UEFA. Then, if needs be, the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They'll fold like Kyle Lafferty at a $2 Poker Table, in Vegas. 4 minutes ago, sadj said: Learned friend ? 4 minutes ago, Barack said: Ok...twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 If Craig is saying he respects them as people but regards them as incompetent and produces video evidence of the points we have lost, why would he be punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Ex Procurator Fiscal Depute with a footballing background apparently. Quote from the STV about her. Whyte, who has experience in grassroots football, holds an undergraduate degree and diploma in Legal Practice from the University of Strathclyde as well as a Masters degree in International Human Rights Law from the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. Grassroots football would cover every single one of us pretty much.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said: Deary me. Someone at the SFA must have a modicum of common sense and see how embarrassing this is for them. A wee quiet word to all managers about future conduct etc etc etc .. Nah, let's pick on Levein. Deary me. Errr... SFA Vice-Chairman Rod Petrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) The compliance officer position is a complete piss take. It is a nice idea, if you have a fair and just governing body for her to work with, but we don’t. There is no solution to the corruption that can be found downstream from the source of the problem. You could employ a thousand compliance officers and get them to sweeten the water as it flows past, but until the dead sheep lying rotting in the river up stream is removed, it’s still a poisonous system and it ain’t going to improve. Edited December 12, 2018 by Glib and Shameless Crier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 If Craig fights this all the way which he should and the fines mount up let’s get a jkb fundraising going!! take these feckers all the way. think of the press coverage everywhere outside Scotland with the headlines of fans financially backing managers fight against corrupt SFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, 1874robbo said: If Craig fights this all the way which he should and the fines mount up let’s get a jkb fundraising going!! take these feckers all the way. think of the press coverage everywhere outside Scotland with the headlines of fans financially backing managers fight against corrupt SFA. I’d be up for that. Reckon Budge will cough up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightyJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 "Hearts boss Craig Levein has been issued a with a notice of complaint for his criticism of referee Bobby Madden after his side's 2-0 defeat to Rangers." Sky are serious about the SPL right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: I’d be up for that. Reckon Budge will cough up though. I’d be up for it also. she may well do so but fans group doing it would hit the headlines more imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 im in for chuckin a few quid in the war chest, bring it on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: It's like a come-back fight for a former heavyweight, up against the World Champ. Craig Levein v Clare White is more like AJ, Fury and Wilder all pitching up to fight the winner of one of those 'white collar' events. Craig will destroy the SFA on this charge, tickets for this would be harder to get than a derby ticket with 2 loyalty points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) dp Edited December 12, 2018 by Ribble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I remember the interview and he was smart enough to start his comments with something along the line of “as Neil Lennon said...” Take them all the way Hearts, please. We need to kick up a stink about this - and shine a spotlight in while we do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just got to be a red card coming our way soon they won’t stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 So Bobby, if i tell you i think your an incompetent, useless prick i get fined, correct? Yes Craig that is correct. So, Bobby, if i was to THINK your an incompetent, clueless prick, what could you do about it? Nothing Craig, your entitled to your thoughts. Okay then Bobby, I THINK your an incompetent, clueless prick. The old ones are the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said: Just got to be a red card coming our way soon they won’t stop A dangerous game for them that one. More ammunition for Craig if he goes down the route of accusing them of prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 None of the press are coming out and saying he had a mate of a game and that the goal was offside and Morelos chocked up enough offences to have been sent off for fouling Berra multiple times, gesturing to away support three times (including one time while being reprimanded by the said egit) or simulation. All they have done is quote Levein’s view and roll out an old poor ref who supports their own again, not giving a view on the actual performance on the day. This build the case for the prosecution nicely. Agree Budge should say the Club intend to support their manager all the way to whatever level will secure justice as they stand behind his comments. This will put a bit of pressure back on the compliance officer that she will have to take this beyond the kangaroo court where they may not be as secure of a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46540199 Even BBC mentioning that Lennon escaped any punishment for the same thing. Compliance officer and SFA set up for a fall, lovely!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, The Future's Maroon said: Anyone remember back in his first stint he was fined and refused to pay it. Similar stance upcoming. Pretty sure that was after we had 2 off at Rugby Park. Austin McCann and Webster iirc That ***** Dougie McDonald was the ref that day. It was a ****ing deplorable performance from him This is highly contestable this time once again. The Lennon comments are a problem for the SFA and will make it difficult to stick They really are a rancid to the core, unfit for purpose organisation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, FWJ said: I remember the interview and he was smart enough to start his comments with something along the line of “as Neil Lennon said...” Take them all the way Hearts, please. We need to kick up a stink about this - and shine a spotlight in while we do it He was cute in his comments. The deliberate reference to Lennon make this very interesting. They should have taken this on the chin and moved on. Instead their petty downright c*ntedness has got the better of them Edited December 12, 2018 by EastSideJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Love a good fight and Levein rarely disappoints. We should be at these pricks every second of every day until they start officiating and administrating the game in a fair manner without fear nor favour. Definitely. Crowdfunder for the legal costs. Make as much noise as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscott82 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Oh goody! I'm absolutely delighted by this - this is not going to end well for these weegie arseholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1st off sorry for the font size issues OK so below we have our very own CL for a game played 10 days ago with a hearing date of 20/12/2018. and further down we have The Rangers with comments made between 8-16 November 2018 with a hearing date of 19/12/2018 It will be very interesting how this pans out with the tribute act up before the SFA the day before our CL Wednesday 12 December 2018 Alleged Party in Breach: Craig Levein, Manager, Heart of Midlothian FC Match: Rangers FC v Heart of Midlothian FC Date: Sunday 2 December 2018 Competition: SPFL Premiership Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 72 - No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material. Principal hearing date: 20 December 2018 Response date: 18 December 2018 Wednesday 28 November 2018 Alleged Party in Breach: Rangers FC Date: Between 8 and 16 November 2018 Disciplinary Rules allegedly breached: Charge 1: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material. Or alternatively: A club or recognised football body which publishes, distributes, issues, sells or authorises a third party to publish, distribute, issue or sell a match programme or any other publication or audio/visual material of any description in any media now existing or hereinafter invented, including but not limited to the Internet, social networking or micro-blogging sites, shall ensure that any such publications or audio/visual material does not contain any criticism of any match official calculated to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official or to impinge upon his character. There shall be a presumption that any material issued, published, distributed and/or sold in such manner was issued, published, distributed and/ or sold in the name of and/or with the authority of the body bearing to have issued, published, distributed and/or sold the material. Charge 2: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, match official, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute. Charge 3: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player, match official or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football. Furthermore such person or body shall not act in any manner which is improper or use any one, or a combination of, violent Conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour. Charge 4: All members shall: (a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play; (b) be subject to and shall comply with: (i) the Articles; (ii) this Protocol; (iii) the Cup Competition Rules; (iv) the Registration Procedures; (v) the International Match Calendar; (vi) Club Licensing Procedures; and (vii) any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, Decisions promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport; (c) recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the FIFA Statutes and the UEFA Statutes; (d) respect the Laws of the Game; (e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; (f) behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith. Charge 5: Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players act in accordance with Rule 1. Or alternatively: Each member shall use its best endeavours to procure that its Team Staff its employees and its Team Scout(s) (other than its officials, Team Officials or players) act in accordance with Rule 1. Or alternatively: All Parties must keep confidential any information or documentation relating to Proceedings arising under this Protocol which is not in the public domain (including but not limited to the identities of the Panel Members), save where disclosure is allowed under the Protocol and/or required by law. Principal hearing date: Wednesday 19 December 2018 Response date: Tuesday 4 December 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ramrod said: This is obv came after pressure from the refs . This Clare Whyte character is clearly out her depth . Some of the citings and non citings have been bafflingly to say the least . That's an understatement. She's a ****ing tool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: That's an understatement. She's a ****ing tool! A tool of the OF. And some people still think the SFA are not corrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, sadj said: Grassroots football would cover every single one of us pretty much.... Indeed going to watch your children play would qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Indeed going to watch your children play would qualify. That was exactly my thought. Its such a terrible definition “grassroots football” its basically anything non professional or non elite... As you say go and watch your kids play football you have experience of grassroots football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Neil Lennon - "We were up against 12 men" - jokey banter, the kind of character our game needs Craig Levein - "We were up against 12 men" - shocking abuse, part of a sinister pilot to bring down Scottish football and civilisation in general Just when you think the SFA could never top their behaviour during Rangers liquidation, along comes this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 They realise Rangers aren't gonna win so need to do something to keep the reporters diverting attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I wish Craig would take my advice and use a third party as the spokesperson from now on. " I'm not going to say anything about the ref but I just bumped into a guy in the toilet and he thinks the ref was a cheat as the goal was obviously offside" "coming here this morning in the taxi the taxi driver told me he thought we'd be playing against 12 men because this ref has a bit of a reputation of being a Newco lover" "the cleaning lady told me in no uncertain terms that the Scottish officials are $#!te and not up to the task of being deemed professional" But suing the pants off the GFA will be just as fun. Go on Craig you have our 100% backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Steve Clarke went in had tea and biscuits accepted public criticism is rude and came out with the referees looking after him. Getting raj is pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Steve Clarke went in had tea and biscuits accepted public criticism is rude and came out with the referees looking after him. Getting raj is pointless Steve Clarke launched a one-man press campaign against refs/decisions for the first few weeks of the season. He went quiet when decisions started going his way again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Assumed rick witter had gone public when I seen the thread title. Edited December 12, 2018 by Mauricio Pinilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) The SFA had better be prepared to explain exactly why there is no consistency to their citations. Levein had the balls to call them on it, and I bet you he will not flinch at airing this at any hearing. Edited December 12, 2018 by Gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Bring it on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Craig might be thinking about how Kilmarnock and Steve Clarke got on. I think because they repeated the complaint on their website Killie got cited too but charges were dropped. Any way not sure he will fight it. John Hughes (ex Hibs player and Inverness and Raith Rovers manager) says it's wrong and hopes Craig fights it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The inconsistency this season is breathtaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The inconsistency this season is breathtaking. The inconsistency is the only constant this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, Gizmo said: The SFA had better be prepared to explain exactly why there is no consistency to their citations. Levein had the balls to call them on it, and I bet you he will not flinch at airing this at any hearing. While I agree CL and the club shouldn’t take this lying down and should make some sort of statement about the lack of consistency and in particular how Lennon and Gerrard didn’t get charged, I’m not sure there is any point appealing this. He is guilty as charged at the end of the day and I can’t see whataboutery being a successful tactic for an appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: While I agree CL and the club shouldn’t take this lying down and should make some sort of statement about the lack of consistency and in particular how Lennon and Gerrard didn’t get charged, I’m not sure there is any point appealing this. He is guilty as charged at the end of the day and I can’t see whataboutery being a successful tactic for an appeal. Saying ref was 12th man is saying he is biased. So guilt is pretty certain. Change needs someone to challenge though. And standard of refereeing needs radical change. Just depends if Hearts and Levein want to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: While I agree CL and the club shouldn’t take this lying down and should make some sort of statement about the lack of consistency and in particular how Lennon and Gerrard didn’t get charged, I’m not sure there is any point appealing this. He is guilty as charged at the end of the day and I can’t see whataboutery being a successful tactic for an appeal. I would describe is a the doctrine of legal precedent rather than whataboutery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Saying ref was 12th man is saying he is biased. So guilt is pretty certain. Change needs someone to challenge though. And standard of refereeing needs radical change. Just depends if Hearts and Levein want to do that. He was biased. So let them now explain why someone who works for them gets to make up the game rules as he sees fit. Depending on who the opposition is. Craig can bring video evidence to the hearing too if he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 There's been at least 3 bizarre decisions this season 1. Downgrading the Morelos red card when kicked the Aberdeen player. 2. Not charging Steven Gerrard for his comments about referee after that game. 3. Not charging Neil Lennon for his comments after the Celtic game. Though was that because these weren't videoed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Spoke to my lawyer wife who says a lack of charge for Lennon is irrelevant for Levein’s defence. As she put it, just because someone else was speeding, doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay if you get caught speeding too. Hard to argue with his guilt, in spite of me agreeing completely with him. Would happily chip in for whatever fine he gets. Also expect CL to flag Lennons comments and demand an explanation as to why no charge for the goblin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Let's get stuck right in to these corrupt wankers. Drag these pricks through every court that will listen. Delighted by this, and it's been a long time coming. I agree with that. We should fight this to the bitter end. Feck em. To go meekly into the night and accept whatever they offer is just not on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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