Labour

[Ulysses]

4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

And so there should be imo.

 

I also think the hypocrisy shown by these MP's is staggering, they want a second referendum to basically check and see if the public still want brexit or not, but don't want to give the public the opportunity to check if they still want them as their MP or not, hypocrites one and all.

 

 

There's nothing illogical about their position.

 

Regardless of whether or not there are bye-elections the electorate will get the opportunity to remove them from office or confirm them in office.  It's only a question of when.

 

Unless there is a further referendum the electorate won't get the opportunity to remain the the EU or set the terms of the UK's exit.

[Mikey1874]

23 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

I agree that the you can't call the entire party anti Semitic 

 

But it is getting pulled in a rather ugly direction (Momentum)

 

Ugly to actually want to for example scrap Trident and spend the money on investing in communities, nationalise the railways and energy companies to improve services and reduce costs. 

 

The sort of things labelled extremist it seems. Fair enough if people don't agree with them. 

[Geoff the Mince]

1 hour ago, coconut doug said:

As a stickler for accuracy and thorough research you will i'm sure be glad to elucidate on the rather ugly direction the Labour party is being pulled by Momentum. 

Not much research needed mate , Google it .

[Geoff the Mince]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Ugly to actually want to for example scrap Trident and spend the money on investing in communities, nationalise the railways and energy companies to improve services and reduce costs. 

 

The sort of things labelled extremist it seems. Fair enough if people don't agree with them. 

I agree with what you say .

 

The problem is Momentum and Corbyn's lack of action towards anti semitism .

[coconut doug]

10 minutes ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Not much research needed mate , Google it .

What, Google your opinion!

 

Why can't you tell us what you think and provide some reasoning as to why you think it?  It's not as if you're brainwashed!

[JamboX2]

5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Ugly to actually want to for example scrap Trident and spend the money on investing in communities, nationalise the railways and energy companies to improve services and reduce costs. 

 

The sort of things labelled extremist it seems. Fair enough if people don't agree with them. 

 

Some of the language in the party between left and right is obscene. The way Luciana Berger was unceremoniously pushed out over fighting against anti-semitism was woeful and a symbol of division.

[Mikey1874]

14 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

I agree with what you say .

 

The problem is Momentum and Corbyn's lack of action towards anti semitism .

 

9 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Some of the language in the party between left and right is obscene. The way Luciana Berger was unceremoniously pushed out over fighting against anti-semitism was woeful and a symbol of division.

 

Absolutely 

 

Whatever the benefits to those against Corbyn in maximising the issue this is a clear and obvious challenge to resolve. 

 

The main people suffering are Jews and their relationship with Britain. 

[Geoff the Mince]

14 hours ago, coconut doug said:

What, Google your opinion!

 

Why can't you tell us what you think and provide some reasoning as to why you think it?  It's not as if you're brainwashed!

[Riccarton3]

10 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Some of the language in the party between left and right is obscene. The way Luciana Berger was unceremoniously pushed out over fighting against anti-semitism was woeful and a symbol of division.

I hear there is talk of deselection in the Tory ranks over Brexit. Wonder what the language is over on the Right? I know two wrongs don't make a right but the hypocrisy is staggering.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Riccarton3

[Mikey1874]

13 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

I hear there is talk of deselection in the Tory ranks over Brexit. Wonder what the language is over on the Right? I know two wrongs don't make a right but the hypocrisy is staggering.

 

The bigger picture in Labour is when Corbyn came in as leader he was opposed not only by the majority of MPs, he was obstructed by the party organisation. He didn't get the staff or resources a leader would expect. 

 

So Corbyn setting up his own office and support was his response. And at the same time Momentum. It is a bit of a takeover. But that's a lot to do with the vast majority of MPs and support staff trying to get rid of him. His success at the 2017 election blew a lot of that away. 

 

But the internal battle continues. 

[Riccarton3]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The bigger picture in Labour is when Corbyn came in as leader he was opposed not only by the majority of MPs, he was obstructed by the party organisation. He didn't get the staff or resources a leader would expect. 

 

So Corbyn setting up his own office and support was his response. And at the same time Momentum. It is a bit of a takeover. But that's a lot to do with the vast majority of MPs and support staff trying to get rid of him. His success at the 2017 election blew a lot of that away. 

 

But the internal battle continues. 

The Tory party is effectively the Old Firm, the right wing press in this country is Beaton, Dallas and Collum and Labour is refereed to the letter of the law, a bit like Hearts.

 

Your points seem valid to me and it is then, subsequently, hard to feel any sympathy for the right of the Party after their tactics.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Riccarton3

[JamboX2]

3 hours ago, Riccarton3 said:

I hear there is talk of deselection in the Tory ranks over Brexit. Wonder what the language is over on the Right? I know two wrongs don't make a right but the hypocrisy is staggering.

 

Well they're being accused of being traitors too. So it's all petulant rage. But this is a thread on Labour.

 

I don't think you should have an unrestricted right to be an MP on a party ticket once chosen. But the current situation is a witch hunt. 

 

I wonder how Corbynites in strong-centrist CLPs would feel about this if it was their preferred candidates being done out.

[Riccarton3]

13 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Well they're being accused of being traitors too. So it's all petulant rage. But this is a thread on Labour.

 

I don't think you should have an unrestricted right to be an MP on a party ticket once chosen. But the current situation is a witch hunt. 

 

I wonder how Corbynites in strong-centrist CLPs would feel about this if it was their preferred candidates being done out.

Unfortunately, the labour right, through its own actions- including mass resignations-  has shown absolute disdain for the rank and file membership, believing they could thwart Corbyn without even having to convince anyone of their values. Does this just get forgotten, brushed under the carpet? That would be asking a lot in any environment never mind in politics.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Riccarton3

[Cade]

The Parliamentary Labour Party is totally out of touch with the Labour Party membership and that is the entire problem.

Labour shocked everybody when the voting public voted in huge numbers for their socialist-lite manifesto (anybody claiming that was hard left hasn't got a clue what hard left is).

 

The PLP are still hoping that someone like Blair will appear and lead them back to the good old days of '97.

That time is gone.

The party membership are behind the leader.

 

So the MPs all chucking spanners in the works in protest like a bunch of children.

[coconut doug]

9 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

You make statements and then when asked to substantiate them you post this image. Why can't you use words to tell us how you know Momentum is pulling the Labour Party in an ugly direction instead of expressing incredulity that somebody should question your opinion.

[Ulysses]

Guardian/Observer take on local Labour politics in Wavertree and around Liverpool.

 

Observer: Anger, denial and prejudice fester on the streets of Liverpool Wavertree

 

Labour supporter says Berger shouldn't have been treated the way she was “even though she is Jewish.”  and says Corbyn "got into bed with the wrong Jews."

 

Wavertree constituency Labour chair has appeared says “The Rothschild family are behind a lot of the neoliberal influence in the UK and the US.”

 

And there's plenty more where those came from.

[Dirty Deeds]

9 hours ago, Ulysses said:

Guardian/Observer take on local Labour politics in Wavertree and around Liverpool.

 

Observer: Anger, denial and prejudice fester on the streets of Liverpool Wavertree

 

Labour supporter says Berger shouldn't have been treated the way she was “even though she is Jewish.”  and says Corbyn "got into bed with the wrong Jews."

 

Wavertree constituency Labour chair has appeared says “The Rothschild family are behind a lot of the neoliberal influence in the UK and the US.”

 

And there's plenty more where those came from.

"the tweet went on to say that Wavertree CLP had taken the following decisions: “1. To condemn the dictatorship in Sudan and the Tory links to it. 2. To support the campaign to get the UK to commit to take 10,000 refugees. 3. To oppose the US-led coup attempt in Venezuela.”

No call, then, to reopen the post office."

 

That pretty much sums it up for me.  Labour's membership may be getting the party they want but they won't win an election. 

 

[JamboX2]

22 hours ago, Riccarton3 said:

Unfortunately, the labour right, through its own actions- including mass resignations-  has shown absolute disdain for the rank and file membership, believing they could thwart Corbyn without even having to convince anyone of their values. Does this just get forgotten, brushed under the carpet? That would be asking a lot in any environment never mind in politics.

 

Not at all. The initial resignation was too early. But party management - especially Labour - is about building consensus. Look at Attlee through to Kinnock: many of the left and right and neither were included.

 

The issue is the left shrank so much it lost its impact and Smith, Blair and Brown feared disunity so much that they excluded the left from the shadow then actual cabinet for too long. 

 

The needs to do what it did in the 1980s and fight the good fight for the party's soul. 

 

Issue is there's not enough talent on the left for Corbyn to have a hard hitting front bench and so he should reshuffle to bring in the talent he has on the backbenches.

 

Leadership is being flexible and finding compromise. I don't think Corbyn is capable of that. The right accept much of his domestic agenda. On Brexit and Foreign Affairs there's more red water between them.

[ri Alban]

Labour will be finished in Scotland tomorrow. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by ri Alban

[Riccarton3]

On 25/02/2019 at 12:23, Lord BJ said:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/102064/momentum-boss-jon-lansman-labour-has-major

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/momentum-founder-jon-lansman-labour-has-major-problem-with-antisemitism-a4075736.html%3famp

 

Some interesting words here and calls out the conspiracy theorists lol.

 

 

I wish each case and complaint could be in the public domain.

[Ulysses]

On 25/02/2019 at 07:06, Dirty Deeds said:

"the tweet went on to say that Wavertree CLP had taken the following decisions: “1. To condemn the dictatorship in Sudan and the Tory links to it. 2. To support the campaign to get the UK to commit to take 10,000 refugees. 3. To oppose the US-led coup attempt in Venezuela.”

No call, then, to reopen the post office."

 

That pretty much sums it up for me.  Labour's membership may be getting the party they want but they won't win an election. 

 

 

 

I'm reminded of some of the weapons-grade headbangers I knew in the late 80s and early 90s in the trade unions in England.  Completely full of irrelevant revolutionary Trot horsecrap while Thatcher and then Major rode them and the British working class sideways.  Some of them were from Liverpool, maybe even the Wavertree area.  I wonder if they're now in Millies with bus passes Momentum?

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

I'm reminded of some of the weapons-grade headbangers I knew in the late 80s and early 90s in the trade unions in England.  Completely full of irrelevant revolutionary Trot horsecrap while Thatcher and then Major rode them and the British working class sideways.  Some of them were from Liverpool, maybe even the Wavertree area.  I wonder if they're now in Millies with bus passes Momentum?

So much focus on the Labour party, while this Tory mob feck up everything unchallenged. Labour may have some anti Israel in their membership, the Tories have anti everyone else in theirs.

[Governor Tarkin]

10 hours ago, ri Alban said:

So much focus on the Labour party

 

It's a thread about the Labour party, mate. ?

[ri Alban]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

It's a thread about the Labour party, mate. ?

MSM

[Brighton Jambo]

An MP now suspended caught on camera saying the party is too apologetic over anti semitism.  How can you be too apologetic over a topic like that.  Even one complaint should be cause for embarrassment and apology never mind they volume they face.  

 

All those people on here saying it’s a conspiracy now have nowhere to go.  Anyone defending his words is  essentially advocating anti semitism.  

 

Its not a conspiracy it’s a cancer at the heart of the Labour Party (albeit a minority to be fair) and the longer people deny its existence the more it will become ingrained and the greater the long term damage.  

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Any time Corbyn has to make a big decision, especially about one of his mates, he has to be literally dragged kicking and screaming to the point of making it.

[Geoff the Mince]

21 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

An MP now suspended caught on camera saying the party is too apologetic over anti semitism.  How can you be too apologetic over a topic like that.  Even one complaint should be cause for embarrassment and apology never mind they volume they face.  

 

All those people on here saying it’s a conspiracy now have nowhere to go.  Anyone defending his words is  essentially advocating anti semitism.  

 

Its not a conspiracy it’s a cancer at the heart of the Labour Party (albeit a minority to be fair) and the longer people deny its existence the more it will become ingrained and the greater the long term damage.  

There's a reason here who keep making excuses for him .

 

Doesn't sit too well with me .

[Riccarton3]

 Labour has apologized for anti semitism in the Party and has said it will deal with cases of it. If this were the Tory  Party, they would be unable to add anything more. 

 

I don't know why certain MPs then feel the need to stray from the above. Total brain fart moment - just let the process deal with it.

[ri Alban]

Israel! A xenophobic state who detest their Arab neighbours. And Labour are the bad guy.

[Riccarton3]

Didn't get an edit in in time -

 

I personally feel you can't be too apologetic to victims of anti semitism but you can be over apologetic to hypocrites and folks with vested interests in the political arena.

 

I'm wondering if Williamson was specifically meaning he felt Labour was too apologetic to the victims.

 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Riccarton3

[Brighton Jambo]

13 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Israel! A xenophobic state who detest their Arab neighbours. And Labour are the bad guy.

You don’t think persecuting an entire group of people is wrong?  That is what we are taking about here.  From that post you look like you advocate anti semitism? Is the correct? 

[doctor jambo]

14 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Israel! A xenophobic state who detest their Arab neighbours. And Labour are the bad guy.

He has not railed against apologising for being critical of Israeli foreign policy/ aggression -

he has railed against apologising for being anti-Semitic.

I don't particularly like Israel,

but British Jews are NOT Israel and vice versa.

fine- criticise Israel if you want - that is not a crime

but you should be able to do it without lumping all jews into the same boat

[I P Knightley]

14 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Israel! A xenophobic state who detest their Arab neighbours. And Labour are the bad guy.

Labour have got themselves tied in knots over this. They have a history of standing up for Palestine (at least some of their members used to show support for the PLO). That, in itself, is not anti-Semitic, albeit supporting what was perceived as a terrorist organisation was thin ice to be skating on.

 

The fact that Palestinians are "enemies" of the state of Israel makes it easy for people to turn up with the "anti-Semitic" accusations. I confess, I haven't followed Labour's travails all that closely but I suspect there is much less anti-semitism that there is 'anti-the actions of Israel' sentiment.

 

A parallel would be accusing me of being anti-Catholic because I'm speak out about the horrific way in which some of the high-ups in the Vatican and in the church around the world handled accusations of priests abusing children (& others). It doesn't mean I'm anti-all catholics or even anti-catholic in a general way.

[Mikey1874]

On 27/02/2019 at 02:28, ri Alban said:

So much focus on the Labour party, while this Tory mob feck up everything unchallenged. Labour may have some anti Israel in their membership, the Tories have anti everyone else in theirs.

 

Labour supporters condemn Israel far too much provoking anti-Semitism. They need to start supporting Israel more. 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, I P Knightley said:

Labour have got themselves tied in knots over this. They have a history of standing up for Palestine (at least some of their members used to show support for the PLO). That, in itself, is not anti-Semitic, albeit supporting what was perceived as a terrorist organisation was thin ice to be skating on.

 

The fact that Palestinians are "enemies" of the state of Israel makes it easy for people to turn up with the "anti-Semitic" accusations. I confess, I haven't followed Labour's travails all that closely but I suspect there is much less anti-semitism that there is 'anti-the actions of Israel' sentiment.

 

A parallel would be accusing me of being anti-Catholic because I'm speak out about the horrific way in which some of the high-ups in the Vatican and in the church around the world handled accusations of priests abusing children (& others). It doesn't mean I'm anti-all catholics or even anti-catholic in a general way.

 

Hatred of Israel is a big part of the problem. 

 

But...

[Boris]

2 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

He has not railed against apologising for being critical of Israeli foreign policy/ aggression -

he has railed against apologising for being anti-Semitic.

I don't particularly like Israel,

but British Jews are NOT Israel and vice versa.

fine- criticise Israel if you want - that is not a crime

but you should be able to do it without lumping all jews into the same boat

 

And equally criticism of Israel should not be construed as anti semitism.

[coconut doug]

On 27/02/2019 at 18:33, Brighton Jambo said:

An MP now suspended caught on camera saying the party is too apologetic over anti semitism.  How can you be too apologetic over a topic like that.  Even one complaint should be cause for embarrassment and apology never mind they volume they face.  

 

All those people on here saying it’s a conspiracy now have nowhere to go.  Anyone defending his words is  essentially advocating anti semitism.  

 

Its not a conspiracy it’s a cancer at the heart of the Labour Party (albeit a minority to be fair) and the longer people deny its existence the more it will become ingrained and the greater the long term damage.  

Williamson was not "caught on camera", he was speaking to his constituency members.

 

 He is complaining rightly imo that the Labour party is being demonised over anti-semitism and that the Labour Party has done more to fight against anti-semitism and racism than any other institution in the U.K. It is because of this historical fight that Williamson believes the Labour Party should be less apologetic. As an institution they have done and continue to do a lot to combat this and similar forms of ignorance. 

 

The misinterpretation of what he said, and i accept that he could have phrased it better is nothing more than an overreaction. This overreaction to anything Corbyn and his supporters do is simply done to discredit left wing politics. Anybody who has observed politics in this country for any length of time knows that the vast majority of bigots and racists inhabit the right wing parties. Racism and bigotry is not the domain of the educated or the left.

 

Nobody is denying it's existence especially the Labour Party but the scale and severity of the anti-semitism has not yet been clarified. What we do know is that at least two hundred of the complaints were made by Margaret Hodge and that almost all of those she complained about were not members of the Labour Party. 

 

As i understand it at least two people have been jailed for abusing Luciana Berger, neither of whom were in the Labour Party. There are claims that she was the victim of anti-semitism within the local party. I have heard her say that she was vilified for supporting a second referendum but she doesn't say who did it and whether their motives were anti-semitic. 

 

It's awfully nice of all the Tories to express sadness at the demise of this "once great party" whilst others like yourself talk of cancers at the heart of the party and pretend that they are concerned about it's long term health. Nothing would annoy them more than if the relatively few anti-semites were emptied from the party and the emphasis shifted to the actions of the most incompetent and divisive government this country has seen in along time.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

Obviously any anti-Semitism is still serious and it's still up to Labour to deal with it well. But this is a bit of perspective.

 

 

[Justin Z]

23 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Labour supporters condemn Israel far too much provoking anti-Semitism. They need to start supporting Israel more. 

 

 

 

Posting an antisemitic tweet like this, the gall! Reported.

[Mikey1874]

5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Posting an antisemitic tweet like this, the gall! Reported.

 

Amazing the stupidity of what people think. 

 

Racism is alive and well. 

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Amazing the stupidity of what people think. 

 

Racism is alive and well. 

 

Sadly true. Unless you actually thought I was being serious, in which case,

[Mikey1874]

In other news

 

 

[coconut doug]

On 27/02/2019 at 18:56, Geoff the Mince said:

There's a reason here who keep making excuses for him .

 

Doesn't sit too well with me .

Do you have an image to help me understand what this post means, failing that, words would be fine?

[Geoff the Mince]

6 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

Do you have an image to help me understand what this post means, failing that, words would be fine?

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

 

I reckon the Ivan Bot could take you in a fight easily, Geoff.

[XB52]

4 hours ago, coconut doug said:

Williamson was not "caught on camera", he was speaking to his constituency members.

 

 He is complaining rightly imo that the Labour party is being demonised over anti-semitism and that the Labour Party has done more to fight against anti-semitism and racism than any other institution in the U.K. It is because of this historical fight that Williamson believes the Labour Party should be less apologetic. As an institution they have done and continue to do a lot to combat this and similar forms of ignorance. 

 

The misinterpretation of what he said, and i accept that he could have phrased it better is nothing more than an overreaction. This overreaction to anything Corbyn and his supporters do is simply done to discredit left wing politics. Anybody who has observed politics in this country for any length of time knows that the vast majority of bigots and racists inhabit the right wing parties. Racism and bigotry is not the domain of the educated or the left.

 

Nobody is denying it's existence especially the Labour Party but the scale and severity of the anti-semitism has not yet been clarified. What we do know is that at least two hundred of the complaints were made by Margaret Hodge and that almost all of those she complained about were not members of the Labour Party. 

 

As i understand it at least two people have been jailed for abusing Luciana Berger, neither of whom were in the Labour Party. There are claims that she was the victim of anti-semitism within the local party. I have heard her say that she was vilified for supporting a second referendum but she doesn't say who did it and whether their motives were anti-semitic. 

 

It's awfully nice of all the Tories to express sadness at the demise of this "once great party" whilst others like yourself talk of cancers at the heart of the party and pretend that they are concerned about it's long term health. Nothing would annoy them more than if the relatively few anti-semites were emptied from the party and the emphasis shifted to the actions of the most incompetent and divisive government this country has seen in along time.

 

 

saved me a lot of typing. Absolutely nothing anti-semitic in what Williamson said

[Brighton Jambo]

4 hours ago, coconut doug said:

Williamson was not "caught on camera", he was speaking to his constituency members.

 

 He is complaining rightly imo that the Labour party is being demonised over anti-semitism and that the Labour Party has done more to fight against anti-semitism and racism than any other institution in the U.K. It is because of this historical fight that Williamson believes the Labour Party should be less apologetic. As an institution they have done and continue to do a lot to combat this and similar forms of ignorance. 

 

The misinterpretation of what he said, and i accept that he could have phrased it better is nothing more than an overreaction. This overreaction to anything Corbyn and his supporters do is simply done to discredit left wing politics. Anybody who has observed politics in this country for any length of time knows that the vast majority of bigots and racists inhabit the right wing parties. Racism and bigotry is not the domain of the educated or the left.

 

Nobody is denying it's existence especially the Labour Party but the scale and severity of the anti-semitism has not yet been clarified. What we do know is that at least two hundred of the complaints were made by Margaret Hodge and that almost all of those she complained about were not members of the Labour Party. 

 

As i understand it at least two people have been jailed for abusing Luciana Berger, neither of whom were in the Labour Party. There are claims that she was the victim of anti-semitism within the local party. I have heard her say that she was vilified for supporting a second referendum but she doesn't say who did it and whether their motives were anti-semitic. 

 

It's awfully nice of all the Tories to express sadness at the demise of this "once great party" whilst others like yourself talk of cancers at the heart of the party and pretend that they are concerned about it's long term health. Nothing would annoy them more than if the relatively few anti-semites were emptied from the party and the emphasis shifted to the actions of the most incompetent and divisive government this country has seen in along time.

 

 

I couldn’t care less about the state of the current Labour Party as you have clearly observed.  

 

I have voted labour before and in the event of say a Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris led conservative party would consider it again.  But never while Corbyn is in charge.  I suspect there are millions in the same boat.  He is trailing to range worst government in living memory and a large part of that is his unwillingness or inability to nip this anti semitism issue in the bud.  He’s let it rumble on and on.  

 

Do so I think Anti - semitism is being used as a stick to beat them with , yes, but do I think the problem is worse than many people who claims it’s all noise, also yes.  

 

Right now this country desperately needs a strong opposition or even a capable labour government.  Corbyn is incapable providing either.  

[Geoff the Mince]

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I reckon the Ivan Bot could take you in a fight easily, Geoff.

I think Ivan Bot  is outside my house in a van with blacked out windows 

[Des' Dad]

7 hours ago, coconut doug said:

Williamson was not "caught on camera", he was speaking to his constituency members.

 

 He is complaining rightly imo that the Labour party is being demonised over anti-semitism and that the Labour Party has done more to fight against anti-semitism and racism than any other institution in the U.K. It is because of this historical fight that Williamson believes the Labour Party should be less apologetic. As an institution they have done and continue to do a lot to combat this and similar forms of ignorance. 

 

The misinterpretation of what he said, and i accept that he could have phrased it better is nothing more than an overreaction. This overreaction to anything Corbyn and his supporters do is simply done to discredit left wing politics. Anybody who has observed politics in this country for any length of time knows that the vast majority of bigots and racists inhabit the right wing parties. Racism and bigotry is not the domain of the educated or the left.

 

Nobody is denying it's existence especially the Labour Party but the scale and severity of the anti-semitism has not yet been clarified. What we do know is that at least two hundred of the complaints were made by Margaret Hodge and that almost all of those she complained about were not members of the Labour Party. 

 

As i understand it at least two people have been jailed for abusing Luciana Berger, neither of whom were in the Labour Party. There are claims that she was the victim of anti-semitism within the local party. I have heard her say that she was vilified for supporting a second referendum but she doesn't say who did it and whether their motives were anti-semitic. 

 

It's awfully nice of all the Tories to express sadness at the demise of this "once great party" whilst others like yourself talk of cancers at the heart of the party and pretend that they are concerned about it's long term health. Nothing would annoy them more than if the relatively few anti-semites were emptied from the party and the emphasis shifted to the actions of the most incompetent and divisive government this country has seen in along time.

 

 

Agree with you 100%. I wish media people who claim Corbyn is anti-semetic would ask for a specific example. Early on in his leadership he probably should have noticed the inference to Jewish people in the mural showing rich people round a table but other than that I have not heard one concrete example of anti-semetism in anything he's said. Unfortunately, some people confuse anti-zionism and criticism of the Israeli government over its treatment of Palestine as being anti-semetic. If it is, then I am also an anti-semite and I will continue to question the legality of the crimes committed by Netanyahu.