jambovambo Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) Apparently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/transfernews/article-5988231/Derby-County-advanced-negotiations-8million-rated-Ipswich-Town-striker-Martyn-Waghorn.html Edited July 24, 2018 by jambovambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8million Rupees surely? Which is about 880k, even then, inflated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 English football can go **** itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, loveofthegame said: English football can go **** itself. It already has mate. £8 Million for a striker that did **** all in our 2nd Division far less the top one. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pox Doctor's Clerk Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: It already has mate. £8 Million for a striker that did **** all in our 2nd Division far less the top one. Pathetic. Correct. Quite unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. That doesn't suprise me. Always thought he looked decent at Rangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. Was going to ask if he scored many for Ipswich? Take it he must have done okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gilbert Wauchope Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, jambovambo said: Apparently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/transfernews/article-5988231/Derby-County-advanced-negotiations-8million-rated-Ipswich-Town-striker-Martyn-Waghorn.html 12 minutes ago, loveofthegame said: English football can go **** itself. 10 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: It already has mate. £8 Million for a striker that did **** all in our 2nd Division far less the top one. Pathetic. This is presumably why Hibs have tossed off the reported £2M from Celtic for McGinn. With this kind of money being thrown around, they clearly think they can get more from English teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. I think it matters because they think there is a gulf in class between the bottom three leagues in england compared to the whole of Scottish football. A guy who was shite up here going for that much down there should quell the myth that Scottish football is easy. I doubt it, though it should. A guy who struggled up here goes for eight million after toiling up here, and you think why does it matter? Off course it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Everton have paid £50m for a guy I have never heard of. Will guarantee he will be no great shakes. It's an absolute circus and I'll take our league against their's any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 What it shows is that prices in the English league seem to be vastly inflated. That could well work in our favour if Callum Paterson keeps banging goals in for Cardiff now that they are in the EPL. If Waghorn is worth £8m as a Championship player, how much would Callum be worth if he proves himself as a goal scoring midfielder in the EPL? And we stand to gain 15% of any future transfer fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Everton have paid £50m for a guy I have never heard of. Will guarantee he will be no great shakes. It's an absolute circus and I'll take our league against their's any day of the week. I've seen Richarlison albeit just on MoTD and you could probably make about 50m sending in some of his misses to You've Been Framed. He's absolutely shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Everton have paid £50m for a guy I have never heard of. Will guarantee he will be no great shakes. It's an absolute circus and I'll take our league against their's any day of the week. English football feels hugely synthetic just now. Its been going that way for over ten years now, and I can't see it ever going back to what it was. The championship down there still feels like real football. Above that it is nothing more than 'good' marketing. Brighton V Huddersfield on a Tuesday night is a really big attraction. Does anybody think this change for the better with sky sports beginning to implode, or will BT sports just plug that gap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elmore said: English football feels hugely synthetic just now. Its been going that way for over ten years now, and I can't see it ever going back to what it was. The championship down there still feels like real football. Above that it is nothing more than 'good' marketing. Brighton V Huddersfield on a Tuesday night is a really big attraction. Does anybody think this change for the better with sky sports beginning to implode, or will BT sports just plug that gap? If/when Comcast or the Murdochs take full control of Sky (especially if its Comcast) the subscription prices will go through the roof over the next couple of years. European cable coverage is still a massive growth area where as the US is saturated and unbelievably expensive, especially the sports packages. I can see a lot of UK subscribers very quickly marching with their feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musemic Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 What's that Sevco??? No sell-on %age??? Shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Elmore said: English football feels hugely synthetic just now. Its been going that way for over ten years now, and I can't see it ever going back to what it was. The championship down there still feels like real football. Above that it is nothing more than 'good' marketing. Brighton V Huddersfield on a Tuesday night is a really big attraction. Does anybody think this change for the better with sky sports beginning to implode, or will BT sports just plug that gap? Too right, did you see that Shankly doc on bbc2 the othernight?, even the Liverpool fans have had enough, despite their club obviously benefiting from the finances. Most of those guys, diehards, can't afford to go to the games, the players are far removed from the community, all it is about is money, money money. Liverpool's owners and no doubt other owners (West ham come to mind), are more concerned about their image, around the world and attracting investment & supporters from the US & and Asia than the actual real fans of the club. The bubble will burst one day, look at the Italian sides, Parma, Napoli, Fiorentina etc.., they all had to do a Sevco because when the TV money dried up, they were skint and couldn't compete anymore. With Ronaldo at Juve, maybe if the Italian sides can start bringing the best players back, English football will lose investment and interest, & maybe, the fans will get their clubs back. even though Scottish football is so frustrating and all the rest, I wouldn't swap it to become some plastic football capitalist conglomerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Can you just imagine how much Paterson is going to go for? Waghorn is horse shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Musemic said: What's that Sevco??? No sell-on %age??? Shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodanny Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 How the **** can that ****ing joke of a football player sell for 8 mil ?. Really ? Really? The whole thing is ****ed. If/ when we sell Harry, going by that deal, he's got to go for 20 or 25 mil, surely. Waghorn ? ****in Waghorn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Juanjo15 said: Can you just imagine how much Paterson is going to go for? Waghorn is horse shit. Luvvly jubbly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I thought Waghorn is one of the best of the hunners of players Rangers have gone through since they started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jambovambo said: Apparently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/transfernews/article-5988231/Derby-County-advanced-negotiations-8million-rated-Ipswich-Town-striker-Martyn-Waghorn.html Read the article - it says Lampard could spend up to £8M to sign the guy. He could but he won't. Derby don't have a pot to piss in. The same article says they might sell Vydra to free up some money. In which case Vydra is worth £20M as he is some player. Looks like another agent story planted to get a deal from some where. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Gilbert Wauchope said: This is presumably why Hibs have tossed off the reported £2M from Celtic for McGinn. With this kind of money being thrown around, they clearly think they can get more from English teams. They’ve had three bids for him, nobody in England wants him or they would’ve signed him by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. As I keep on saying the Championship isn’t actually that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Aye but as long as some dick at an English club was paying him big wages, that makes the transfer fee reasonable. We clearly shouldn’t be expecting similarly over-inflated fees for better players than him too. Not unless we pay them insane wages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 There is a balance to be struck. I'd like to see our administrators negotiate decent commercial deals to help finance our clubs. What I don't want is billionaires buying our clubs as toys to play with. It's highly regrettable that we're still stuck with rangers and Celtic. If only they would leave our game would be competitive and fantastic. They would not be missed. Quite the opposite. This guy Everton have bought has cost around 33 years of FoH subs or 800 years of HSL subs. Scandalous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Who was the loan player Aberdeen had 2 seasons ago? I think from Norwich. He was to be sold for £12m (****ing hell, he signed for Leicester for £24m) James Maddison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1874 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Who was the loan player Aberdeen had 2 seasons ago? I think from Norwich. He was to be sold for £12m (****ing hell, he signed for Leicester for £24m) James Maddison Add in another loan player they had, Ward the Liverpool keeper. Now age 25/26 played 3 EPL games and one season in championship on loan 2 years ago and has just signed for Leicester for £12.5m. Which must be in the top 20 fees ever paid for a keeper. Average players making a fortune out the game, players who had decent time in Scottish football but not the top players in the league within a year or two moving for millions. But it all the English Twitter media want to do is slag off Scottish football about Rooney going to Salford from the top league in Scotland - missing the point that he played the least amount of minutes for Aberdeen last season that he did in last 5 seasons. So no doubt Aberdeen couldn’t believe a club offered money and rightly said ‘we want to keep him’ while Salford paid more than they needed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, whodanny said: How the **** can that ****ing joke of a football player sell for 8 mil ?. Really ? Really? The whole thing is ****ed. If/ when we sell Harry, going by that deal, he's got to go for 20 or 25 mil, surely. Waghorn ? ****in Waghorn ? Who the **** is Waghorn.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: I thought Waghorn is one of the best of the hunners of players Rangers have gone through since they started. Who the other striker that went with him to Ipswich? Garner? I thought he was better down there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Lord BJ said: If I had a pound for every time someone posted that on jkb I could buy sky! It’s not a bubble it’s a ****ing money making machine. Hence why so many mega rich people want to get involved in it. On waghorn I agree with poster said it doesn’t matter what he did up here. He’s been pretty damn effective at Ipswich. It very much is a bubble, much like the tech boom of the late 90’s are various property “booms” we’ve seen. The growth is unsustainable and that only means one of 2 things. Either:- a rapid “revaluation” or a period of no growth where the real, underlying value of the “product” catches up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Elmore said: English football feels hugely synthetic just now. Its been going that way for over ten years now, and I can't see it ever going back to what it was. The championship down there still feels like real football. Above that it is nothing more than 'good' marketing. Brighton V Huddersfield on a Tuesday night is a really big attraction. Does anybody think this change for the better with sky sports beginning to implode, or will BT sports just plug that gap? I posted something similar to this on Spellczech’s thread about benefactors. We've seen it here and also Italy. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday, the bubble will deflate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Looked good up here then Rangers started chucking him out on the wing to accommodate Miller.Played through the middle he looked a powerful bull type player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterEgo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Barry Douglas from Wolves to Leeds for £5m Edited July 25, 2018 by WalterEgo Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Did Dave King think of a sell on clause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Don't get why it matters what he did up here. He's proven himself in the championship. Ipswich fans loved him when he arrived there... couldn’t believe they got him for next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mysterion said: Ipswich fans loved him when he arrived there... couldn’t believe they got him for next to nothing. Must have been a square peg in a round hole up here, as I though he was average, £100k tops, but he might have found his place better so good luck to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, vegas-voss said: Looked good up here then Rangers started chucking him out on the wing to accommodate Miller.Played through the middle he looked a powerful bull type player. Always thought it was Garner that cost him his place when The Rangers returned to the top flight, not because Garner was a better but because they'd spend the best part of £2m on him so Garner played. Despite being quite similar players Garners games per goal was 4.4 at Rangers compared with Waghorns goal every 2.1 games and since they both went to ipswich waghorn has continued to score more than Garner with a goal every 2.75 games to garners 3.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 If true watch out for King complying with share bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Lampard going a bit daft with the budget? I doubt Rangers got more than £1m for him so one season in Championship with a ratio of just over 1 goal every 3 games suddenly makes him worth 8 times as much? He looked ok, and was right to be miffed at Rangers not really giving him a shot in SPL especially given how goalshy Garner and Miller were...but £8m? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Sir Gio said: Did Dave King think of a sell on clause Wouldn't think so they sold him to pay their leccy bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: Its being growing since 1992 and never abated in 16 years that’s not a bubble. In reality it was growing rapidly before that hence the formation of the EPL. The property market isn’t a bubble either. When a bubble burst it can’t be reinflated. Property is still rising and seen as a sound investment . There always adjustments periods but that doesn’t make it a bubble. Maybe semantics. . 26, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said: Must have been a square peg in a round hole up here, as I though he was average, £100k tops, but he might have found his place better so good luck to him Guy I know who supports town was pleased with him and Garner at the start. They were scoring at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mysterion said: Guy I know who supports town was pleased with him and Garner at the start. They were scoring at the start of the season. Did they play as a front two for Ipswich, it was one up front and one wide for the Huns. I saw the Sheffield United manager say £8-10m is their valuation and it certainly wasn’t his ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Lampard going a bit daft with the budget? I doubt Rangers got more than £1m for him so one season in Championship with a ratio of just over 1 goal every 3 games suddenly makes him worth 8 times as much? He looked ok, and was right to be miffed at Rangers not really giving him a shot in SPL especially given how goalshy Garner and Miller were...but £8m? Nope. Since Waghorn left Sevco the TV money for EFL clubs has exploded. The desperation of some clubs to get promotion to the EPL is incredible (Derby are one of those clubs) but they don't have £8 million and Waghorn isn't even their first choice. at the moment. ITKers (mate is a Derby fan) saying club will not pay £8M but if it does it there will be a lot of add ons to inflate the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Since Waghorn left Sevco the TV money for EFL clubs has exploded. The desperation of some clubs to get promotion to the EPL is incredible (Derby are one of those clubs) but they don't have £8 million and Waghorn isn't even their first choice. at the moment. ITKers (mate is a Derby fan) saying club will not pay £8M but if it does it there will be a lot of add ons to inflate the price. Poisoned chalice is it not? If the money is now there in EFL why blow it all on a promotion push if the gap is reduced? Or is it a Catch 22? The fans will ironically be more content in a season where they just miss promotion but win most weeks compared to a dreadful season of watching their team get tanked and relegated from EPL...Have the likes of Derby all got such good stadia and academies that they need to spunk increased TV revenue on transfer fees? In answer to my own question, clearly the Academies not not producing the players to gain promotion so answer must be no. I guess it must be frustrating if you are a club like Derby, Forest or Villa and you know your own history at European level not just domestic, yet see the likes of Huddersfield, Cardiff and Burnley in the EPL? Regardless, the more you look at how other clubs are run, the more you recognise how well Hearts are being run nowadays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: **** me that embarrassing ? However, yes even more reaffirms the point it’s not a bubble. It’s ****ing recession and global financial crisis proof lol. That's what I thought. ? Strengthens your point massively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterintheRain Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 21 hours ago, Lord BJ said: If I had a pound for every time someone posted that on jkb I could buy sky! It’s not a bubble it’s a ****ing money making machine. Hence why so many mega rich people want to get involved in it. On waghorn I agree with poster said it doesn’t matter what he did up here. He’s been pretty damn effective at Ipswich. Would you like to buy a Tulip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkierobroy Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Saw a thing today which suggested that Sevco could get some sort of £800k sell-on fee if he goes. Of course, that might have been instigated by a Fatty Traynor press release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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