dobmisterdobster Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Cade said: Little Britain nae pals. We haven't left the Council of Europe (not to be confused with the European Council which is something else) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 46 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: We haven't left the Council of Europe (not to be confused with the European Council which is something else) True, we should be there beside Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, Cade said: Not going to happen. Do keep up. We need banking access to the EU far more than we need fish. That'll be a done deal. Banks for fish. Certainly there's across the board deals to be done or not as the case may be. We're in a strong position to negotiate post Brexit and I'm very confident we'll increase our own fishermen's fishing quotas whatever happens. Delighted that we left an EU that's heading in the wrong direction of ever increasing integration that will eventually all but dissolve national governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, redjambo said: 1972 and 1994. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Norwegian_European_Communities_membership_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Norwegian_European_Union_membership_referendum EU came into being in 1993 when the maastricht treaty was signed, Norway's had one referendum about joining the EU, Switzerland 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Council of Europe enforces the ECHR. Which the UK wants to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, Smithee said: EU came into being in 1993 when the maastricht treaty was signed, Norway's had one referendum about joining the EU, Switzerland 2. That's nit-picking, Smithee, and unlike you if you don't mind me saying so. The EU is simply a continuation of the EC. We usually refer to the EU now as referring to the entity throughout its existence - despite the inaccuracy of the term, it simplifies things. If we have to specify "in its guise as the EC" or "in its guise as the EU" every time we talk about the EC or EU, we'll be here forever formulating what we say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 On 13/02/2020 at 15:02, Bridge of Djoum said: I'm still waiting on a coherent answer as to why anyone voted for Brexit. There must be a few on here, anyone care to step up? I've given my reasons many times. Too many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, redjambo said: That's nit-picking, Smithee, and unlike you if you don't mind me saying so. The EU is simply a continuation of the EC. We usually refer to the EU now as referring to the entity throughout its existence - despite the inaccuracy of the term, it simplifies things. If we have to specify "in its guise as the EC" or "in its guise as the EU" every time we talk about the EC or EU, we'll be here forever formulating what we say about it. I know what you're saying but I dont agree mate, the EU may have been the next thing along the line but it's a distinct entity that was very very different in 1993 compared to what was in place 20 years earlier - I remember buying duty free on ferries in the intervening decades for example. I'm anal AF about details by the way! To such an extent I know the Dutch term for nit-picking through being called an ant ****er in public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 hours ago, JustinT said: No to a surpreme European Army was a starter for ten. Taking back control of who fishes in our waters was another big one for me among many other reasons for voting to leave the ever integrating EU and ECHR. And give them straight back to The EU or England. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Smithee said: I know what you're saying but I dont agree mate, the EU may have been the next thing along the line but it's a distinct entity that was very very different in 1993 compared to what was in place 20 years earlier - I remember buying duty free on ferries in the intervening decades for example. I'm anal AF about details by the way! To such an extent I know the Dutch term for nit-picking through being called an ant ****er in public If I need any nits picked, I'll know where to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 On 13/02/2020 at 15:02, Bridge of Djoum said: I'm still waiting on a coherent answer as to why anyone voted for Brexit. There must be a few on here, anyone care to step up? I didn’t but have some family who did. Their rationale was that they wanted their sovereignty back and were fed up of some of our rules and laws being dictated to us by people who we couldn’t elect or control. I really don’t want to turn this into a comparison to Scottish independence but the way they talk there was a lot of similarities in terms of taking control to make our decisions for our own future. that reason has been the overwhelmingly most common one given amongst the people I know. by the way that’s not my view so don’t shoot the messenger!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 hours ago, jake said: I've given my reasons many times. Too many He said coherent reasons. Citing reasons like workers' rights and the capitalist underbelly of the org, and then giving all the power you claim to want to claw back for the people to a Tory government is not coherent, it's ****ing lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin Z said: He said coherent reasons. Citing reasons like workers' rights and the capitalist underbelly of the org, and then giving all the power you claim to want to claw back for the people to a Tory government is not coherent, it's ****ing lunacy. The overriding economic policy of the EU is centre right austerity. And just because someone doesnt agree with being part of it doesnt make them tory racist . We have the chance to vote in every 5 years a different political party . Dont try to tell me the EU can be changed within. Your arguments on a lot of things quickly turn to insults and pomposity . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even after an uncertain and unsettled political event like brexit the UK economy has outperformed both Germany and France since the referendum. Flying in the face of what we were told would happen. Thank me and the other lunatics later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, jake said: The overriding economic policy of the EU is centre right austerity. Arguable, but hardly outlandish. 2 minutes ago, jake said: And just because someone doesnt agree with being part of it doesnt make them tory racist . Never said it does. Other things need to be present to come to that conclusion. 2 minutes ago, jake said: We have the chance to vote in every 5 years a different political party . Oh weird, we had the chance to vote in every 5 years different representatives to the European Parliament too--the exact same term. 3 minutes ago, jake said: Dont try to tell me the EU can be changed within. 5 minutes ago, jake said: We have the chance to vote in every 5 years a different political party . Don't try to tell me the UK can be changed within. Can't have it both ways, sport. 4 minutes ago, jake said: Your arguments on a lot of things quickly turn to insults and pomposity . Cry more. Voting to remove democratic access to the EU and hand all of that power to the Tories was ****ing lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, jake said: Even after an uncertain and unsettled political event like brexit the UK economy has outperformed both Germany and France since the referendum. Flying in the face of what we were told would happen. Thank me and the other lunatics later. Erm, you really want to check Ed Conways Twitter thread to see how the latest trade results have been manipulated using gold. Thank me later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Erm, you really want to check Ed Conways Twitter thread to see how the latest trade results have been manipulated using gold. Thank me later. Yooooo, shadowy, dark cabal, deep state organisations involved in precious metals currency cons? This is the kind of shit that's right up your alley, jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 15 hours ago, JustinT said: No to a surpreme European Army was a starter for ten. Taking back control of who fishes in our waters was another big one for me among many other reasons for voting to leave the ever integrating EU and ECHR. Heath sold the waters out in 73. Add in Scottish fishermen selling their quotas and here we are. We already have a euro army of sorts and we are pretty much under American control ffs they even have the codes for our nuclear weapons we can’t fire them without their say so but that’s ok is it? Britain couldn’t fight any war on its own anymore. We don’t have the tools or the manpower. Stop thinking about war, a very British mindset. So two things that the media have made you think you care about but will never affect you in any way way whatsoever. Anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 From the same author, less than two weeks ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: I didn’t but have some family who did. Their rationale was that they wanted their sovereignty back and were fed up of some of our rules and laws being dictated to us by people who we couldn’t elect or control. I really don’t want to turn this into a comparison to Scottish independence but the way they talk there was a lot of similarities in terms of taking control to make our decisions for our own future. that reason has been the overwhelmingly most common one given amongst the people I know. by the way that’s not my view so don’t shoot the messenger!! What's their views on Scottish independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Heath sold the waters out in 73. Add in Scottish fishermen selling their quotas and here we are. We already have a euro army of sorts and we are pretty much under American control ffs they even have the codes for our nuclear weapons we can’t fire them without their say so but that’s ok is it? Britain couldn’t fight any war on its own anymore. We don’t have the tools or the manpower. Stop thinking about war, a very British mindset. So two things that the media have made you think you care about but will never affect you in any way way whatsoever. Anymore? I'll stick with the our own British and our Allies looking after our national defences while in contrast you want to separate Scotland off and have a continental EU army looking after wee Scotland. Its still a No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Justin Z said: From the same author, less than two weeks ago: Typical snowflake. Edited February 15, 2020 by JustinT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, JustinT said: I'll stick with the our own British and our Allies looking after our national defences while in contrast you want to separate Scotland off and have a continental EU army looking after wee Scotland. Its still a No thanks. War. Rule brittania eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, JustinT said: I'll stick with the our own British and our Allies looking after our national defences while in contrast you want to separate Scotland off and have a continental EU army looking after wee Scotland. Its still a No thanks. Your own. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: War. Rule brittania eh. As I said, I'll stick with our own British and Allies protecting our national defences and in contrast you want a completely separated Scotland with an EU army looking after our defences instead. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, JustinT said: As I said, I'll stick with our own British and Allies protecting our national defences and in contrast you want a completely separated Scotland with an EU army looking after our defences instead. No thanks. And Europe isn’t our allies? You might want to remember the falklands when Thatcher had to sook in with a mass murderer in Pinochet when the US refused to be our allies back then. Nothing to do with them and refused to let our planes refuel in any US bases. They’re our allies when we do what we’re told. Why is war so important to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JustinT said: As I said, I'll stick with our own British and Allies protecting our national defences and in contrast you want a completely separated Scotland with an EU army looking after our defences instead. No thanks. Unfortunately no army can protect us anymore. That boat has left the port. Jihadis everywhere. Hopefully the EU will stop them before they reach here, and the ones who are Our fellow Brits are caught before they kill anyone else. But hey, we'll have Our own military and Our Ally, big Uncle Sam to make sure they don't forget about it, by bombing them again and again. 👍 Edited February 15, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Unfortunately no army can protect us anymore. That boat has left the port. Jihadis everywhere. Hopefully the EU will stop them before they reach here, and the ones who are Our fellow Brits are caught before they kill anyone else. But hey, we'll have Our own military and Our Ally, big Uncle Sam to make sure they don't forget about it, by bombing them again and again. 👍 Don't be so silly. Complete nonsense, Edited February 15, 2020 by JustinT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Never seen a poster who needed to stop and read his own words more, tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: And Europe isn’t our allies? You might want to remember the falklands when Thatcher had to sook in with a mass murderer in Pinochet when the US refused to be our allies back then. Nothing to do with them and refused to let our planes refuel in any US bases. They’re our allies when we do what we’re told. Why is war so important to you? Once again, I'll stick with our British and our Allies looking after our national defences. You in contrast would want the EU looking after a separate Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, JustinT said: Once again, I'll stick with our British and our Allies looking after our national defences. You in contrast would want the EU looking after a separate Scotland. It’s cool I can see you have nothing👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Justin Z said: Yooooo, shadowy, dark cabal, deep state organisations involved in precious metals currency cons? This is the kind of shit that's right up your alley, jake You know me well enough ya big lump. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: What's their views on Scottish independence? They live in England so don’t have a strong view either way. On principle they would probably agree with the sentiment but because I am so anti it they probably wouldn’t say as much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 On 13/02/2020 at 15:02, Bridge of Djoum said: I'm still waiting on a coherent answer as to why anyone voted for Brexit. There must be a few on here, anyone care to step up? I voted leave partially because I am on principal opposed to centralised multinational governments. But mostly because I knew it would make a bunch of exceptional individuals very salty. Which is pleasing I must say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said: I voted leave partially because I am on principal opposed to centralised multinational governments. But mostly because I knew it would make a bunch of exceptional individuals very salty. Which is pleasing I must say. Hopefully you're joking about that. That would be pretty shallow indeed, even for you, dob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said: I voted leave partially because I am on principal opposed to centralised multinational governments. But mostly because I knew it would make a bunch of exceptional individuals very salty. Which is pleasing I must say. Yet you expect to be taken seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 UK is going full ****** with it's insane immigration plans. The government are proposing a points-style system working as follows: 70 Points are needed to get an entry visa. 20 points - Job offer from approved company 20 points - Job is of an appropriate skill level 10 points - Command of English at acceptable level These first three are mandatory 0 points - Salary under £23,039 10 points - Salary between £23,040 and £25,599 20 points - Salary above £25.600 20 points - Job is in an industry with designated staff shortages 10 points - PHD in a subject relevant to the job 20 points - PHD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Hospitality, farming, warehousing, retail and care industries are fecked. Priti Patel has claimed that there are 8million Brits that can be re-trained to fill those jobs, but nobody knows where she gets that figure from as the UK is almost at full employment. Unless she's counting retirees, people acting as full-time carers and students??? Next thing you know, prisoners will be sentenced to "5 years on the farm" instead of prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 This is an absolute disaster, and literally the last thing I needed as I continue to try to jump through every single Tory-imposed hoop to emigrate here. Honestly. I'm beyond gutted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Cade said: UK is going full ****** with it's insane immigration plans. The government are proposing a points-style system working as follows: 70 Points are needed to get an entry visa. 20 points - Job offer from approved company 20 points - Job is of an appropriate skill level 10 points - Command of English at acceptable level These first three are mandatory 0 points - Salary under £23,039 10 points - Salary between £23,040 and £25,599 20 points - Salary above £25.600 20 points - Job is in an industry with designated staff shortages 10 points - PHD in a subject relevant to the job 20 points - PHD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Hospitality, farming, warehousing, retail and care industries are fecked. Priti Patel has claimed that there are 8million Brits that can be re-trained to fill those jobs, but nobody knows where she gets that figure from as the UK is almost at full employment. Unless she's counting retirees, people acting as full-time carers and students??? Next thing you know, prisoners will be sentenced to "5 years on the farm" instead of prison. So the policy is Keep the shitty or low paid jobs just for British workers and just the high paid work for immigrants? New side of a bus slogan "Shitty Jobs for British Workers" "Shitty Pay for British Workers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ri Alban Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: These people can now do as they please, bolstered by the dumbass voters who elected them. They don't give a shit, as long as they see the borders going up. Edited February 19, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 So the Brexiteers now get to watch Brits having to take the low paid, lesser-skilled jobs, while qualified immigrants take the higher paid jobs? Will be hilarious to watch this sink in with the right-wingers / pro-Brexiteers. However, I have concerns my wife (who runs a Caff Nero store with 80% of non-British, low-skilled, less than £20k p/a Baristas) will struggle to replace anyone who leaves their job. She's well aware (through epxerience) how lazy and unreliable British workers are in retail (compared to our harder-working European brothers and sisters). Most won't even apply for a Barista job, due to the pay and hours. It's another positive step for Scottish Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 12:33, JustinT said: As I said, I'll stick with our own British and Allies protecting our national defences and in contrast you want a completely separated Scotland with an EU army looking after our defences instead. No thanks. Where is this EU army you keep mentioning? NATO would seem to consist of EU members, as well as our North American allies, so not sure how an EU army changes that? However it seems the UK is happy to have defence co-operation with France. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation France who are in the EU and probably a mover and shaker in any EU army conspiracy? Also, if we were still in the EU, couldn't we simply veto any move to an EU army? Equally, why would an independent Scotland in the EU be disadvantaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Looks like the people who shouted “ all these foreigners coming over here and stealing our jobs “ will have to switch off their morning and afternoon tv shows and get themselves working . Turkeys voting for Christmas. On 15/02/2020 at 12:37, jack D and coke said: And Europe isn’t our allies? You might want to remember the falklands when Thatcher had to sook in with a mass murderer in Pinochet when the US refused to be our allies back then. Nothing to do with them and refused to let our planes refuel in any US bases. They’re our allies when we do what we’re told. Why is war so important to you? Let’s not forget that our French allies were selling Exocet missiles to Argentina right up to the start of the Falklands war . You are right tho war is shit , we never learn . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 12:37, jack D and coke said: Why is war so important to you? He's a blessed son of the British Empire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 12:50, JustinT said: Once again, I'll stick with our British and our Allies looking after our national defences. You in contrast would want the EU looking after a separate Scotland. You ever heard of Nato?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, XB52 said: You ever heard of Nato?? Is that the lead singer of gang green(sp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, XB52 said: You ever heard of Nato?? 😂 obviously not. As I have said on many a thread - the masses need to put down theIr copy of the daily mail / express and educate themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 NATO members; brave and loyal allies maintaining a joint military alliance helping to protect the UK since 1949: Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain EVIL EU members who are secretly planning a joint military hell-bent on world domination and a serious threat to the UK: Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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