Djm1874 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 For me this can't continue hearts fans buy season tickets in droves pay foh subs and we don't even get to have an experienced man at the helm - it's time Ann made the call and let Craig Levein go we need an experienced manager at the helm we don't deserve rookie manager after rookie manager - mcleish,Davies, Jeffries, tommy Wright i don't care but I'm fed up being a coaching project - big decision of course but it's time for a change of structure at the club - cmon Ann make the call... please stop this nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastlesmychurch Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Yeah couldn't have put it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Hearts are bigger than Craig Levein. Fire him Queenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djm1874 Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 Hearts are bigger than Craig Levein. Fire him Queenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I think he should go now. He's holding us back. We're not his project. His project can **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djm1874 Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 I don't dislike Craig and fully recognise what a good manager /player he was for the club- but his model isn't working cathro was a disaster, player turnover was/is ridiculous- poor scouting and talk of him wanting Daly im sorry we just can't risk another rookie at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Manager in , CL to oversee Academy and youth development on reduced pay packet . Take it or leave it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Manager in , CL to oversee Academy and youth development on reduced pay packet . Take it or leave it . And please leave it Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 The only good thing at the club is the support of the fans.... Football side remains in a mess with no signs of improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elshin Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I agree with most that levein has to go. I still think a DOF in some form is good for our club, oversees the academy, works with the scouts, helps with player contracts. Builds long term relationships with agents. What we dont need is what we have now, to bring in an inexperienced manager and then sign 9 players was ludicrous. To sanction long term contracts to osh/sammon/martin yet lose our best young talent for peanuts. Levein has to go... im just not sure the role of DOF has to go with him. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I don't have a problem with us having a DoF, but I don't think Levein is up to the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjh1874 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Chasing a game today and we fling on the Prince a guy who 18 months ago was joining Ross County!!!! Our midfield is a sham and has been for a season and a half. Our recruitment in that area is frankly disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I don't have a problem with us having a DoF, but I don't think Levein is up to the job AB, on the footballing side, needs support/assurance and someone who she can go to take good counsel. JJ would be ideal imo - in an advisory role, not the DoF role that CL has carved out for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Manager in , CL to oversee Academy and youth development on reduced pay packet . Take it or leave it . That should be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 AB, on the footballing side, needs support/assurance and someone who she can go to take good counsel. JJ would be ideal imo - in an advisory role, not the DoF role that CL has carved out for himself. An experienced manager is all she needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I think we should go for Tommy Wright also but I don't agree Craig Levien is the problem here! The players are the problem here! Djoum and Walker are fantastic footballers for example! There Both rank rotten right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Much better thread. Forward direct thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirhead Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Definitely time to revise the structure - the plan was fine but when it isn't working it's madness to continue doing the same thing and expect different results . On Craig Levein - we only see half of what he does so it's impossible to say if he is performing on the rest of it or not. On the side we see he has selected one successful head coach and one unsuccessful. Recruitment is now more negative than positive but we have no idea if Craig is selecting these players or if it's the head coach - probably a mixture. However some of these same failed signings may have been better with an experienced manager which takes me onto my main issue with 'the model' The Liverpool boot room system appointed experienced assistance managers to manager and other than dalgleish who was obviously different, these promotions were given to experienced people who had trained under the manager for a long time - therefore watching what was done and seamless transition . we are appointing people who haven't shadowed an experienced manager at our club and therefore it's anything but seamless which is the whole objective . I'm a believer that a manager gets better with age as they all have sticky periods which they learn from and return better with the experience at another club. We seem to be launching in ill-prepared novices to have their sticky spell at hearts and then seem to want to repeat the process with another. it takes strong leadership to admit when the model needs amending. Controversial but I would keep Levein with a reduced mandate, give assurances over the HC remit and the DoF remit and recognise that the HC is the most important man at any club by appointing one with experience . Player recruitment success rate would increase when there an experienced charismatic leader in the dressing room who can not only get the best out of players but develop them further . That's not happening under the model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 AB, on the footballing side, needs support/assurance and someone who she can go to take good counsel. JJ would be ideal imo - in an advisory role, not the DoF role that CL has carved out for himself. JJ would do a great job in a advisory roll,great talent spotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Erm we are getting a change. Next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 For me it's simple. Put Levein in the dugout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Erm we are getting a change. Next week. You sure about that? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 You sure about that? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Budge herself said someone would be appointed mate.Need a bit of stability now and a couple of midfielders.Its so obvious where our problems on the pitch are and needs sorted quick the fans are restless now.Big thumbs up to the fans who went through there yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 We're getting a change. Cathro got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Erm we are getting a change. Next week. Beaten to it. Do folk not realise this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Erm we are getting a change. Next week. The OP was asking for a change to an experienced manager. Are we getting that next week ? Or are we getting a re-run of 'the apprentice' for another season ? By the way. The statement DID NOT say we're getting a new man this week. It said there would be an announcement in regard to the position. Theres a difference. Probably a big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 The OP was asking for a change to an experienced manager. Are we getting that next week ? Or are we getting a re-run of 'the apprentice' for another season ? By the way. The statement DID NOT say we're getting a new man this week. It said there would be an announcement in regard to the position. Theres a difference. Probably a big difference That's my concern. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livvyjambo Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 So the window shuts on Thursday . Fergie would struggle to improve this lot and our DOF overseen the building of the squad . Walker to go tomorrow then we need to buy a couple of solid pros then take it from there or compo to Saints for wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Beaten to it. Do folk not realise this? Announcement next week. Just announcement that's all they say. I don't think it'll be to do with the new manager, if so they would have said something like 'major announcement' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 For me it's simple. Put Levein in the dugout Change we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I really do hope we have some positive news on the playing and manager front next week. Hard to believe that fans are feeling so low and its not even the end of August. It's got the potential to be a very long slow season that we just want to end ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insideout Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I have a feeling there could be a new role for Austin, is seems the be very highly thought of at the club....new DOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Beaten to it. Do folk not realise this? Let's wait and see who this "change" is though because going by the way the club has ran the football side of things in the last 18 months we will be in for a big disappointment again. The op is correct in everything he says. We cannot continue to abe an inexperienced man in charge of our first team no matter how much guidance Levein thinks he can give them. If Levein stays then I would rather it was as manager as he had the experience but personally I agree with previous posters that Levein takes charge of the kids and academy side of things and a Manager brought in. Not a head coach a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Sack the interim head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Let's wait and see who this "change" is though because going by the way the club has ran the football side of things in the last 18 months we will be in for a big disappointment again. The op is correct in everything he says. We cannot continue to abe an inexperienced man in charge of our first team no matter how much guidance Levein thinks he can give them. If Levein stays then I would rather it was as manager as he had the experience but personally I agree with previous posters that Levein takes charge of the kids and academy side of things and a Manager brought in. Not a head coach a manager. We need a manager in my opinion. Would be a good move from Hearts to bring in someone who has a reputation of being his own man, it would get rid of this nonsense about Levein running the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Is craig levein the best DoF we could get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 The OP was asking for a change to an experienced manager. Are we getting that next week ? Or are we getting a re-run of 'the apprentice' for another season ? By the way. The statement DID NOT say we're getting a new man this week. It said there would be an announcement in regard to the position. Theres a difference. Probably a big difference Don't be at all surprised if the statement this week is to announce that Craig Levein is being placed in the position of football coach and the position of DoF is being retired, or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Is craig levein the best DoF we could get? It was effectively self selection. He approached Ann Budge at outset, given her admission that she had no experience of senior management within the football industry. He, by all accounts, said she needed a Director of Football, suggested himself, and was given the position. This may well have been down to the lack of knowledge Ann admitted she had. I think she is a lot wiser now on football matters, and may well now be of the opinion that it was a wrong choice, but through the interview process would she have been any better placed at the time to select a more competent DoF, a position I still don't think a club of our size needs. We aren't one of those clubs where the transfer business involves figures running into multi multi millions of pounds, both incoming and outgoing, and it isn't a specialist position needed at a club of our size, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 The OP was asking for a change to an experienced manager. Are we getting that next week ? Or are we getting a re-run of 'the apprentice' for another season ? By the way. The statement DID NOT say we're getting a new man this week. It said there would be an announcement in regard to the position. Theres a difference. Probably a big difference Oh God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Manager in , CL to oversee Academy and youth development on reduced pay packet . Take it or leave it . Aye let's ignore employment law and give pay out a fortune for constructive dismissal . Headless chickens doesn't even cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Aye let's ignore employment law and give pay out a fortune for constructive dismissal . Headless chickens doesn't even cover it.And CL is going to take us court Deary me . If that was route Ann wanted to go down I'm sure discussions would bs concluded amicably and constructively for the greeter good of the club . Employment law? , mwahaha , go be an idiot on another thread lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Aye let's ignore employment law and give pay out a fortune for constructive dismissal . Headless chickens doesn't even cover it. What should happen is Levein's responsibilities should be changed to move him away from the coaching area of the club. He should of course continue on the same money - but when his contract runs out, a decision would be taken on the salary\responsibilities for the "new" job - if he was to be offered a contract at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Ingram Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Manager in , CL to oversee Academy and youth development on reduced pay packet . Take it or leave it . We already have an academy head who is doing a good job. No reason at all for the first team problems to negatively impact on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 we are in some state , not played at home yet , supporters already giving up on this season. AB THIS CANT CONTINUE, stop looking for a gem from mediocre crap and give us a team to get behind and support before its too late, the system is not working, I hope this look in to football operations makes the change needed but I don't expect much to change, please prove me wrong AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Oh God. Lets wait and see what transpires shall we ? It was very carefully worded for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Don't be at all surprised if the statement this week is to announce that Craig Levein is being placed in the position of football coach and the position of DoF is being retired, or something along those lines. I wouldn't be at all surprised. If folk read 'reviewing the structure of the football department' correctly it shouldn't be a surprise if thats what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Can you wait until next week before getting angry about us not having appointed a new manager by then FFS clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Sack the interim head coach. **** it, sack the next coach, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Can you wait until next week before getting angry about us not having appointed a new manager by then FFS clowns. Nah, let's get angry now about the next appointment before it's happened. Lunatic asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Our recruitment has been shambolic. The impression I got was that the DoF oversees the development of the style of football played and ensures that players are signed to fit the system meaning when the headcoach moves on and a new one is brought in the squad is intact and ready to go - no need for more signings as its just a case of maintaining the course. We've totally failed to do that in every sense of the word. Youth development is about the only thing he is doing right. I also totally disagree with training managers up. You cannot have a youth based structure and also use rookie managers. The fans have demands and managers lacking experience struggle to handle that. Its ****ing insulting to the fans who have stepped up time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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