More Tory lies

[Jeffros Furios]

9 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Getting it right up the work shy. C'mon Jeremy good stuff 

Get off your knees gadjie , the Tories ain't your friend .

[TallPaul]

Just now, Jeffros Furios said:

Get off your knees gadjie , the Tories ain't your friend .

Neither are the work shy

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Getting it right up the work shy. C'mon Jeremy good stuff 

 

Measures announced are for the disabled. Carrot or stick?

[Victorian]

NIC down 2%.  Ridiculous showboating by altering the rate from January 6 instead of start of financial year.  

[vegas-voss]

14 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Getting it right up the work shy. C'mon Jeremy good stuff 

So how does he plan on getting the junkies  etc back into work.I say this as I see them on my daily trip to pick on my laddie from school and honestly these ***** are unemployable and as far as I can see imo just couldn't work.What do you do with these folk as it's easy quoting numbers etc but I would imagine these people are part of what he is on about when he mentions the long term unemployed.

 

I'm not saying they should have benefits stopped I would just like to know how he deals with this before folk start having a go at me.

 

Or is it selecting a set group of unemployed?

Edited November 22, 2023 by vegas-voss

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, vegas-voss said:

Nice one by Starmer - if a labourer or a care worker have to wait a year for an operation , how are they meant to grow the economy 

They'll be second in the queue behind all the dole scroungers that'll be getting priority so the govt can get them off benefits and back to work.🙄

 

Unless they can work from home, now that the govt has changed it's mind on home working. Although not for office workers - still no home working for them, the lazy barstewards. 

[Jeffros Furios]

1 minute ago, TallPaul said:

Neither are the work shy

Neither are tax dodgers .. 

[periodictabledancer]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

NIC down 2%.  Ridiculous showboating by altering the rate from January 6 instead of start of financial year.  

Doesn't help the low paid.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Neither are tax dodgers .. 

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

NIC down 2%.  Ridiculous showboating by altering the rate from January 6 instead of start of financial year.  

 

The overriding aim is to make people feel better about their money before the general election.

 

Inflation and higher energy bills could easily cancel out NI cut. 

[periodictabledancer]

3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

So how does he plan on getting the junkies  etc back into work.I say this as I see them on my daily trip to pick on my laddie from school and honestly these ***** are unemployable and as far as I can see imo just couldn't work.What do you do with these folk as it's easy quoting numbers etc but I would imagine these people are part of what he is on about when he mentions the long term unemployed.

 

I'm not saying they should have benefits stopped I would just like to know how he deals with this before folk start having a go at me.

He doesn't. It's the usual right wing tactic of "othering" - populist attacks that appeal to the gammons but achieve absolutely nothing.

[The Mighty Thor]

Growth forecast downgraded for 2 years. 

 

Was that not one of Rashid's pledge porkies?

[Jeffros Furios]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Exactly , and never a word about that .. but the Daily Mail and GBfakewnews know thier audience .

[TallPaul]

11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Measures announced are for the disabled. Carrot or stick?

Well needed stick

[Mikey1874]

5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Growth forecast downgraded for 2 years. 

 

Was that not one of Rashid's pledge porkies?

 

All their economic / business measures mainly help the economy improve just in time for Labour to win its second term. 

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Growth forecast downgraded for 2 years. 

 

Was that not one of Rashid's pledge porkies?

 

Yes but we'll find that it was the least important priority to re peepul.  There's boats to stop.

[TallPaul]

Why are people against workings taking home more of their pay?

 

All we've had from the shortbread senate is income tax increases which are weirdly applauded by some.

 

The Tories cut NI and that's somehow wrong?

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Well needed stick

 

How many disabled people do you know?

 

I'd say you can help disabled people work. But you need to put in place a lot more than a few meetings with an employment advisor. You can save money by sanctioning them and the resultant suicides etc will help too. 

[periodictabledancer]

8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Growth forecast downgraded for 2 years. 

 

Was that not one of Rashid's pledge porkies?

Have they blamed the EU yet? Or is it the boat people ? 

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Why are people against workings taking home more of their pay?

 

All we've had from the shortbread senate is income tax increases which are weirdly applauded by some.

 

The Tories cut NI and that's somehow wrong?

 

A lot of good news in that budget. NI cuts should create jobs and may over bring in more revenue. People increasing hours etc.

 

A few other very good measures including business, pension and benefits increases and Local Housing Allowance which will give many more people get access to private rented housing. 

 

Good foundation for the Labour Government first budget next year.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Mikey1874

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, TallPaul said:

Why are people against workings taking home more of their pay?

 

All we've had from the shortbread senate is income tax increases which are weirdly applauded by some.

 

The Tories cut NI and that's somehow wrong?

 

Because it's a very marginal alteration that will make next to no difference to anyone.  A waste of headroom that could have gone on spending on services.  Tax burden and public spending down = ideological comfort blanket for the demented right wing.

[Footballfirst]

Peston thinks that Hunt has been fiddling the debt figures.

 

 

[vegas-voss]

15 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It's crazy how they never mention it 

[Footballfirst]

21 minutes ago, Victorian said:

NIC down 2%.  Ridiculous showboating by altering the rate from January 6 instead of start of financial year.  

 

18 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

Doesn't help the low paid.

 

16 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The overriding aim is to make people feel better about their money before the general election.

 

Inflation and higher energy bills could easily cancel out NI cut. 

 

16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Growth forecast downgraded for 2 years. 

 

Was that not one of Rashid's pledge porkies?

Hunt preparing the way for a reduction in personal tax in the March budget, then allowing everyone to get increased pay and or pensions in April, then call an election in May.

 

The Tories will see that as their best opportunity to minimise their election losses, before the reality of another couple of years of low growth hits home.

[Malinga the Swinga]

8 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Why are people against workings taking home more of their pay?

 

All we've had from the shortbread senate is income tax increases which are weirdly applauded by some.

 

The Tories cut NI and that's somehow wrong?

Because they believe that the government will spend the money better than the individual who earned it.

Personally, I worked for it, I earned it and I would quite like to have a say in how it's spent. 

[vegas-voss]

8 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Why are people against workings taking home more of their pay?

 

All we've had from the shortbread senate is income tax increases which are weirdly applauded by some.

 

The Tories cut NI and that's somehow wrong?

Basically for the little it is I would far rather see it spent on improving things in this country.**** I would happily pay more to have decent infrastructure and get the NHS back on track our country is falling to bits.

 

Folk don't have focus on their bottom line in this country.**** that make things better 

[TallPaul]

19 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Because it's a very marginal alteration that will make next to no difference to anyone.  A waste of headroom that could have gone on spending on services.  Tax burden and public spending down = ideological comfort blanket for the demented right wing.

Are you a fan of tax increases? It will make my household around £80-£90 pounds a month better off between myself and the wife. 

[TallPaul]

14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

 

Hunt preparing the way for a reduction in personal tax in the March budget, then allowing everyone to get increased pay and or pensions in April, then call an election in May.

 

The Tories will see that as their best opportunity to minimise their election losses, before the reality of another couple of years of low growth hits home.

Sadly we won't get a sniff of that. Can't see Humza following up here.

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Are you a fan of tax increases? It will make my household around £80-£90 pounds a month better off between myself and the wife. 

 

 

[RobboM]

18 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Are you a fan of tax increases? It will make my household around £80-£90 pounds a month better off between myself and the wife. 

Argument made by Chancellor this year has been that wage increases for public sector were bad and inflationary
Household income increases by 80-90 through wage rise is inflationary
Household income increases by 80-90 through NI cut is not inflationary
Not sure how that squares?
Maybe reply when you are on your afternoon tea break for the work shy 😁

[Lone Striker]

33 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

 

Hunt preparing the way for a reduction in personal tax in the March budget, then allowing everyone to get increased pay and or pensions in April, then call an election in May.

 

The Tories will see that as their best opportunity to minimise their election losses, before the reality of another couple of years of low growth hits home.

Yes, that seems the most likely plan.   Whet the appetite now, then go big with a bribe in the Spring, and don't wait too long to call a GE.     It was a clever Tory tactic to repeal the FTP Act last year, probably for that very scenario.

 

 

[Cade]

Cutting services to fund personal tax breaks is a false economy.

You need those services.

But if your local authority no longer provides them, you have to pay for them out of your own pocket, and that's far more expensive than the cost of providing the service is to the local authority due to collective bargaining.

 

One small example would be garden waste collection. In Edinburgh the council will pick your bin up once a fortnight for £25 a year.

Try hiring a man with a van to take your garden waste away and I bet he'll not do it for £25 a year.

On the larger scale, look at the privatised healthcare systems.

[Japan Jambo]

16 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Is that your 'final solution'?

 

Shouldn't of thought so, the SNP didn't get a mention.

[Victorian]

Always about the bottom line at source.  It's a complete illusion as others have pointed out very well.  

 

Well funded services create economic growth.  Well paid jobs for all in the economy likewise.  

[vegas-voss]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Cutting services to fund personal tax breaks is a false economy.

You need those services.

But if your local authority no longer provides them, you have to pay for them out of your own pocket, and that's far more expensive than the cost of providing the service is to the local authority due to collective bargaining.

 

One small example would be garden waste collection. In Edinburgh the council will pick your bin up once a fortnight for £25 a year.

Try hiring a man with a van to take your garden waste away and I bet he'll not do it for £25 a year.

On the larger scale, look at the privatised healthcare systems.

My mum has been diagnosed with cancer and her mobility over the next few months is really going to go downhill.My sister looked into the simple task of getting a company to put out her bins as we all live further away.£25 a fortnight she was quoted.Luckily my mum has great neighbours.

[cazzyy]

6 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Yes, that seems the most likely plan.   Whet the appetite now, then go big with a bribe in the Spring, and don't wait too long to call a GE.     It was a clever Tory tactic to repeal the FTP Act last year, probably for that very scenario.

 

 

 

Wait, what? Our staunch loyal supporters will be disappointed with that. 😄

Edited November 22, 2023 by cazzyy

[il Duce McTarkin]

21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 

Self made Malinga will be bealin'. 

[I P Knightley]

45 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Because they believe that the government will spend the money better than the individual who earned it.

Personally, I worked for it, I earned it and I would quite like to have a say in how it's spent. 

The government will spend money on things which very few individuals would but which are essential for the country to keep moving on. 

 

You work for a salary which you know is going to be taxed so, if you were being realistic, you'd say that you worked for and earned an income net of tax. 

 

Your "say" in how it's spent is limited to putting an X on your ballot slip. 

[Lone Striker]

6 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Argument made by Chancellor this year has been that wage increases for public sector were bad and inflationary
Household income increases by 80-90 through wage rise is inflationary
Household income increases by 80-90 through NI cut is not inflationary
Not sure how that squares?
Maybe reply when you are on your afternoon tea break for the work shy 😁

I guess a public sector wage rise means the Govt has to pump more funding to the public service bodies to pay for it - possibly funded by Govt borrowing -  whereas a NI cut just means less money coming in to the Govt and they cut spending elsewhere.   Net effect of both is to potentially increase demand for goods & services in the wider economy though, which can lead to inflation.      Just a guess.

[Japan Jambo]

56 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Because it's a very marginal alteration that will make next to no difference to anyone.  A waste of headroom that could have gone on spending on services.  Tax burden and public spending down = ideological comfort blanket for the demented right wing.

 

27 Million people getting an up to 2% increase isn't nothing imo. Targeted at those on lower incomes too, so one would imagine it'll work it's way around the system nicely. I think most centrists and a good few union lefties will be silently cheering too.

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

6 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

Your "say" in how it's spent is limited to putting an X on your ballot slip. 

 

So spunked on dodgy PPE contracts, etc.

He must be so proud.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, vegas-voss said:

Suicide now the biggest killer of men under 45.Thats frightening 

Yep and it is frightening . 

[Lone Striker]

13 minutes ago, Cade said:

Cutting services to fund personal tax breaks is a false economy.

You need those services.

But if your local authority no longer provides them, you have to pay for them out of your own pocket, and that's far more expensive than the cost of providing the service is to the local authority due to collective bargaining.

 

One small example would be garden waste collection. In Edinburgh the council will pick your bin up once a fortnight for £25 a year.

Try hiring a man with a van to take your garden waste away and I bet he'll not do it for £25 a year.

On the larger scale, look at the privatised healthcare systems.

My Cooncil started charging £25 a year to get the garden waste bin picked up every FOUR weeks between April & Nov.    tbf, I can see the logic in charging extra (above your council tax) for garden waste collection simply because lots of houses/flats  don't have much of a garden.

 

I  really think that Tory funding for the NHS is shaped by the ideology that well-off folk should be using private healthcare for lots of stuff (not A&E obviously).   So far, its not resulting in an obvious reduction in NHS waiting lists - although it has to be noted that a lot of private consultants & surgeons  spend only half their time doing NHS work too.

[Lone Striker]

25 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Wait, what? Our staunch loyal supporters will be disappointed with that. 😄

[Ulysses]

@Cade @Lone Striker We don't pay council tax in Ireland, but I'd guess we pay higher rates than you do in income tax - and we're paying over £200 a year to have our bins collected.

[Cade]

10 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

My Cooncil started charging £25 a year to get the garden waste bin picked up every FOUR weeks between April & Nov.    tbf, I can see the logic in charging extra (above your council tax) for garden waste collection simply because lots of houses/flats  don't have much of a garden.

 

I  really think that Tory funding for the NHS is shaped by the ideology that well-off folk should be using private healthcare for lots of stuff (not A&E obviously).   So far, its not resulting in an obvious reduction in NHS waiting lists - although it has to be noted that a lot of private consultants & surgeons  spend only half their time doing NHS work too.

 

Exactly, the Government pretends that Private healthcare is a totally separate system with all of its own resources.

When, in fact, it's the exact same Dentists and Doctors who provide NHS and private care.

So that means there is no extra capacity in the system, it just costs more.

And it also means that the more people go Private, the longer the NHS waiting times get because the Doctors are all doing private work instead of NHS work.....!

[I P Knightley]

42 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

My Cooncil started charging £25 a year to get the garden waste bin picked up every FOUR weeks between April & Nov.    tbf, I can see the logic in charging extra (above your council tax) for garden waste collection simply because lots of houses/flats  don't have much of a garden.

 

I  really think that Tory funding for the NHS is shaped by the ideology that well-off folk should be using private healthcare for lots of stuff (not A&E obviously).   So far, its not resulting in an obvious reduction in NHS waiting lists - although it has to be noted that a lot of private consultants & surgeons  spend only half their time doing NHS work too.

Not bad - I think my annual amount is around £80. If I'd been clever, I'd have struck a deal with my neighbours and split the cost between both households. I think we're on a four weekly collection and all for a full-sized (could get two dismembered corpses in it) wheeliebin. Works fine and decent enough value - until I see that you're getting it for a third of the cost

[TallPaul]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Cutting services to fund personal tax breaks is a false economy.

You need those services.

But if your local authority no longer provides them, you have to pay for them out of your own pocket, and that's far more expensive than the cost of providing the service is to the local authority due to collective bargaining.

 

One small example would be garden waste collection. In Edinburgh the council will pick your bin up once a fortnight for £25 a year.

Try hiring a man with a van to take your garden waste away and I bet he'll not do it for £25 a year.

On the larger scale, look at the privatised healthcare systems.

Allowing people to have a greater disposable income also generates economic growth 

[TallPaul]

57 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said:

 

So spunked on dodgy PPE contracts, etc.

He must be so proud.

Don't forget the Netflix enthusiasts that got their salaries covered to stay home during the pandemic 

[il Duce McTarkin]

24 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Don't forget the Netflix enthusiasts that got their salaries covered to stay home during the pandemic 

 

That was me if you substitute Netfix enthusiast for back-garden pish-artist.

 

My excessive claim was utterly fraudulent to boot, so it's just as well that uncle Rashid wrote it all off with a stroke of his Montblanc ball-point.

 

 

Would've been much cheaper just to scrap lockdowns and let the bodies pile up.

 

As it stands your grandkids will still be paying the interest on my pandemic Veuve Clicquot habit.

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by il Duce McTarkin