More Tory lies

[Lone Striker]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

True. 

 

Mind you,  Dominic Cummings and Patrick Vallance are two somewhat contrasting calibre of men.

Understatement  of the year !  😉

[Victorian]

It would tend to help your mental health to record things day by day in order make sure the truth could be recounted one day.  Quite right.  

[I P Knightley]

2 hours ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Spent a fortnight working in Chipping Norton..its a shithole full of yahs....they couldn't do addiction properly down there

Lady SamCam may ask a pal to hud her pint (or her needle)... allegedly.

[JudyJudyJudy]

45 minutes ago, Victorian said:

you shouldn't be so dismissive about one man's own mental health.  He's just a person like you

 

Scroll back the covid thread and youlll see the “ support “ offered to various people ! 

25 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

You can, but it didn't stop Dominic Cummings from going full Malcolm Tucker in  his WHatsapp messages with those  advisors and civil servants he aligned with.   It even resulted in a new word entering the public domain  -  fcukpigs   😀

 

 

The cynic in me is wary of any persons behaviours and their motives .especially of those in power and influence .  He would probably have known any diaries / emails / communications might be requested at a future date . So naturally he’s going to write favourably about himself and his actions . Ofcourse a day to day diary can help with one’s mental health and it may have helped too with the added bonus of looking saintly

That’s not much of a compliment when he was in the company of Sunak , Boris et al . 

Edited November 20 by JudyJudyJudy

[Ulysses]

[i wish jj was my dad]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So much going on. So much pressure. He said it helped him clarify things and be ready for the next 16 hour day. Which he had for over 2 years. Every day. 

Correct. I can't imagine the pressure he was under and having to deal with those goons every day anaw. 

I'm certainly more inclined to believe his notes than anything coming from the Eton mess and his chums. 

[Footballfirst]

1 hour ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Correct. I can't imagine the pressure he was under and having to deal with those goons every day anaw. 

I'm certainly more inclined to believe his notes than anything coming from the Eton mess and his chums. 

You can see that from his diary entries. He clearly didn't enjoy the politicising that was forced upon him when in front of the cameras.

 

Edited November 21 by Footballfirst

[i wish jj was my dad]

5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

You can see that from his diary entries. He clearly didn't enjoy the politicising that was forced upon him when in front of the cameras.

 

I hadn't seen that but picked up other extracts on the BBC. 

No need to be cynical about every person's motives and behaviours. We're not all sociopaths.

It looks like the guy was put under intolerable strain in an impossible situation and because of the nature of his job he had no option but to stick at it. 

This inquiry should drive change in the behaviour of Ministers and government but it won't. 

[highlandjambo3]

22 hours ago, vegas-voss said:

Sunak coming over as the right ***** he is in the COVID inquiry today.

Will anyone be held to account over their actions during the COVID lockdown?  I’d suspect not but, it will uncover the shenanigans that went on with all these shame faced trumpets involved in the major decision making.

 

Boris will just deflect, bluff and blunder his way through the enquiry. Scandalous that he stated old people should just accept their fate….he does not and never will give a s**t.

 

Not the least surprised that the chief medical advisor kept a day to day diary of his thoughts and feelings….protecting himself secure in the knowledge that these trumpets will be hauled up to explain their decisions at a future date.  They even asked the advisors to change the scientific/medical advice to fit their narrative…..name and shame the lot of them.

 

There should be criminal proceedings regarding all the misspent money, PPE contracts etc…. but…..sweep sweep nothing will happen.

[highlandjambo3]

20 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Yeah but you can say all kind of stuff to self in a private diary that you would never say in a conversation with 1+ person(s).

You could also buy a diary *retrospectively and put any old stuff in it on any select days/meetings you had way after the events happened…..you know just in case there was an enquiry in the future and you felt the need to protect yourself.

 

* Not ITK…..just putting it out there.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

You could also buy a diary *retrospectively and put any old stuff in it on any select days/meetings you had way after the events happened…..you know just in case there was an enquiry in the future and you felt the need to protect yourself.

 

* Not ITK…..just putting it out there.

😂

[vegas-voss]

19 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Will anyone be held to account over their actions during the COVID lockdown?  I’d suspect not but, it will uncover the shenanigans that went on with all these shame faced trumpets involved in the major decision making.

 

Boris will just deflect, bluff and blunder his way through the enquiry. Scandalous that he stated old people should just accept their fate….he does not and never will give a s**t.

 

Not the least surprised that the chief medical advisor kept a day to day diary of his thoughts and feelings….protecting himself secure in the knowledge that these trumpets will be hauled up to explain their decisions at a future date.  They even asked the advisors to change the scientific/medical advice to fit their narrative…..name and shame the lot of them.

 

There should be criminal proceedings regarding all the misspent money, PPE contracts etc…. but…..sweep sweep nothing will happen.

Not just Boris it's came out Sunak also said just let them die 

[The Real Maroonblood]

15 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Not just Boris it's came out Sunak also said just let them die 

What a surprise.

Another c u next Thursday.

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 hour ago, highlandjambo3 said:

 

There should be criminal proceedings regarding all the misspent money, PPE contracts etc…. .

 

There should be public executions on account of misspent money, PPE contracts, etc.

[WorldChampions1902]

8 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said:

 

There should be public executions on account of misspent money, PPE contracts, etc.

Namby pamby Liberal. Bolt!

[Nucky Thompson]

We need more public executions 

[il Duce McTarkin]

24 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

We need more public executions 

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said:

 

There should be public executions on account of misspent money, PPE contracts, etc.

Instead we will cut benefits and services for poor people

[Malinga the Swinga]

58 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

We need more public executions 

For all politicians who have been found to be on the fiddle, regardless of amount they fiddled, the party they represent or the parliament they fiddled money out of.

After them, let's go for the politicians who deliberately lie, delete messages as they fear being exposed as lying cheating *****, those who abuse the power they have, and those who ignore their responsibilities in their own country while being obsessed about other countries because they have relatives there.

Then we can go for football administrators who promote nothing apart from two teams, football officials who cheat to allow 2 teams to prosper, any Celtic or Rangers supporter (they're all scum), any member of Scottish sporting media who won't report on sectarianism in Scotland because they are afraid to get on wrong side of 2 teams and those xenophobic radio presenters who we all know.

Then we target the criminals and low lives who make everyone's life miserable. The abusers, rapists and murderers would be at forefront of them.

After that, can we target those who contribute nothing to society, can work but choose not to, instead are happy to rely on handouts that they are 'entitled to' while all the time blaming everyone bar themselves for the situation they find themselves in.

Then go for those who are evading tax.

If you start at top, then it may change ways of those at latter end as we see the executions mount up.

[Konrad von Carstein]

31 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

For all politicians who have been found to be on the fiddle, regardless of amount they fiddled, the party they represent or the parliament they fiddled money out of.

After them, let's go for the politicians who deliberately lie, delete messages as they fear being exposed as lying cheating *****, those who abuse the power they have, and those who ignore their responsibilities in their own country while being obsessed about other countries because they have relatives there.

Then we can go for football administrators who promote nothing apart from two teams, football officials who cheat to allow 2 teams to prosper, any Celtic or Rangers supporter (they're all scum), any member of Scottish sporting media who won't report on sectarianism in Scotland because they are afraid to get on wrong side of 2 teams and those xenophobic radio presenters who we all know.

Then we target the criminals and low lives who make everyone's life miserable. The abusers, rapists and murderers would be at forefront of them.

After that, can we target those who contribute nothing to society, can work but choose not to, instead are happy to rely on handouts that they are 'entitled to' while all the time blaming everyone bar themselves for the situation they find themselves in.

Then go for those who are evading tax.

If you start at top, then it may change ways of those at latter end as we see the executions mount up.

Never had you down as a member of the tofu eating wokerati, Malinga, but here we are!

Disappointed to be honest

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

15 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Never had you down as a member of the tofu eating wokerati, Malinga, but here we are!

Disappointed to be honest

 

 

 

The lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor, imo.

[Mikey1874]

Latest YouGov survey says 81% of people don't keep a daily journal or diary.

 

But it also says 74% of people think prices are going to rise over the next year with only 5% saying they will go down. Nay luck Rishi. 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

For all politicians who have been found to be on the fiddle, regardless of amount they fiddled, the party they represent or the parliament they fiddled money out of.

After them, let's go for the politicians who deliberately lie, delete messages as they fear being exposed as lying cheating *****, those who abuse the power they have, and those who ignore their responsibilities in their own country while being obsessed about other countries because they have relatives there.

Then we can go for football administrators who promote nothing apart from two teams, football officials who cheat to allow 2 teams to prosper, any Celtic or Rangers supporter (they're all scum), any member of Scottish sporting media who won't report on sectarianism in Scotland because they are afraid to get on wrong side of 2 teams and those xenophobic radio presenters who we all know.

Then we target the criminals and low lives who make everyone's life miserable. The abusers, rapists and murderers would be at forefront of them.

After that, can we target those who contribute nothing to society, can work but choose not to, instead are happy to rely on handouts that they are 'entitled to' while all the time blaming everyone bar themselves for the situation they find themselves in.

Then go for those who are evading tax.

If you start at top, then it may change ways of those at latter end as we see the executions mount up.

Is that your 'final solution'?

[Victorian]

The Exchequer is absolutely raking in the additional tax receipts from the various elements of fiscal drag and is forecast to rake in ever more.  Some estimates have it at about £50bn over the next couple of years.  It's an ever rising water table of tax by stealth with **** all being ameliorated in return for the great majority.  Economic growth my arse.  Every tax pound giveaway that comes will be to buy a vote.

[Cade]

We're already suffering the highest personal tax burden since WW2.

That is supposed to be getting used to bring down the record national debt.

But instead it's being used to fund tax cuts and other pre-election bribes for the already well off.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

23 minutes ago, Victorian said:

tax pound giveaway that comes will be to buy a vote.

Never ! A party trying to buy votes ? 

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

We're already suffering the highest personal tax burden since WW2.

That is supposed to be getting used to bring down the record national debt.

But instead it's being used to fund tax cuts and other pre-election bribes for the already well off.

 

 

There are no votes to be had amongst the majority.  Any tax cuts for the masses can only make a very small and negligible difference.  Those tax giveaways are almost certainly going to make zero difference to voting intentions.  The target votes lie in the places where tax cuts can make a worthwhile difference and will lead people to buy into the lie that they are better off in overall net terms by keeping more of their money at source of income.  That is the inevitable landing place for any tax cuts.  

 

Sunak's nuanced language stated that now is the time to BEGIN to cut taxes.  It'll be tax cuts with a specific purpose with the implication of tax cuts for everyone else at some point.  

[Mikey1874]

The news outlets saying national insurance and business tax cuts tomorrow.

 

 

Edited November 21 by Mikey1874

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Never ! A party trying to buy votes ? 

 

You're a bit of a spoon James so I'll indulge you.  They'll shop for votes in the areas where they are for sale,  while having nothing whatsoever to do with creating the economic growth that would swell tax receipts as an inevitable consequence.  All the while,  the tax giveaways will be balanced by further fiscal drag for everyone else.

[Jeffros Furios]

Hopefully soon I wake up to the good news of a GE .. cannot handle another 12 months of Rachid hanging onto power . 

[Cade]

A below inflation increase in the minimum wage is being hailed as "the end of low pay" for working Britons.

 

It's a real terms pay cut ya stupid dicks.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

You're a bit of a spoon James so I'll indulge you.  They'll shop for votes in the areas where they are for sale,  while having nothing whatsoever to do with creating the economic growth that would swell tax receipts as an inevitable consequence.  All the while,  the tax giveaways will be balanced by further fiscal drag for everyone else.

Like I said a party buying votes 

[Lone Striker]

Clever stuff from Politics Joe  😄

 

 

[Footballfirst]

No doubt we will hear all about how the economy is growing again in cash terms in the AS.

 

I'm sure Hunt will insist it's nothing to do with inflation pushing up the price of everything that is bought and sold. 

[vegas-voss]

When the **** are we going to see a massive reduction in our energy prices seeing as inflation coming down was partly because of wholesale prices dropping.Last I heard our charges were due to go up again.The whole thing is one great ****ing con.

[il Duce McTarkin]

5 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

The whole thing is one great ****ing con.

 

[vegas-voss]

1% national insurance cut big ****ing deal.A nothing that you won't ever really notice but they will be so happy with themselves.Why not just leave as is and use that 1% and pay NHS staff what they are worth.

[vegas-voss]

£1.07 a day they are giving you back if you earn over £50k a year that's what their 1% national insurance cut gives you 🤣 

 

We are barely worth the price of a loaf of bread 🤣

[Victorian]

I must admit I didn't think they would 'waste' any available headroom on a tax cut that benefits the vast majority by a wholly insignificant amount.  People who are hardly likely to feel enough benefit that would suddenly influence their voting intentions.  Of course,  other than that,  such a tax cut will disproportionately benefit the more comfortable.  But we knew that anyway.

 

Such a minor change at scale does **** all.  The money would be better spent on funding services.

[The Real Maroonblood]

22 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

When the **** are we going to see a massive reduction in our energy prices seeing as inflation coming down was partly because of wholesale prices dropping.Last I heard our charges were due to go up again.The whole thing is one great ****ing con.

It’s brutal and depressing.

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Such a minor change at scale does **** all.  The money would be better spent on funding services.

 

[Victorian]

Seems like a superficial exercise in being able to demonstrate an overall decrease in the tax burden on the economy as a whole,  or proportion of GDP,  etc.  Ideological shite to appease the internal grumblings in the party.  

[vegas-voss]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I must admit I didn't think they would 'waste' any available headroom on a tax cut that benefits the vast majority by a wholly insignificant amount.  People who are hardly likely to feel enough benefit that would suddenly influence their voting intentions.  Of course,  other than that,  such a tax cut will disproportionately benefit the more comfortable.  But we knew that anyway.

 

Such a minor change at scale does **** all.  The money would be better spent on funding services.

Exactly it's not taxes that are making lives harder it's the ****ing cost of everything.Fund services for **** sake 

[vegas-voss]

When I say taxes what I mean is anything they can really afford to give the normal Joe back barely makes a difference to their life.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Exactly it's not taxes that are making lives harder it's the ****ing cost of everything.Fund services for **** sake 

 

They don't give a shite.  They'll shout from the rooftops about having halved inflation but most residual inflation is now baked in.  And the Exchequer will continue to see a consequentially inflated tax yield from it.  As well as the other areas of fiscal drag.  Tax proceeds that never benefit anyone in terms of spending,  services or meaningful fiscal stimuli.

[Footballfirst]

Tories will be Tories

 

Tax officials are understood to be examining whether David Cameron failed to fully disclose taxable perks such as flights on private planes when he worked for the collapsed lender Greensill Capital, the Guardian can reveal.

In particular, officials are said to be looking at a number of flights that took off or landed near his house in Oxfordshire and also in Cornwall, where the foreign secretary has a holiday home. They are also examining an offshore trust that it is understood was created by Greensill to pay him extra benefits.

 

It comes amid wider concerns that the process for appointing the former prime minister to the House of Lords, and other background checks for his cabinet appointment, were rushed through in a bid to keep the details of Rishi Sunak’s reshuffle secret.

[Victorian]

1% NIC cut.  Cost - £5bn.  Benefit to people - nothing.

[vegas-voss]

28 minutes ago, Victorian said:

1% NIC cut.  Cost - £5bn.  Benefit to people - nothing.

£1.07 a day if you earn over £50k.Nothing how dare you 🤣

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

£1.07 a day if you earn over £50k.Nothing how dare you 🤣

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

I must admit I didn't think they would 'waste' any available headroom on a tax cut that benefits the vast majority by a wholly insignificant amount.  People who are hardly likely to feel enough benefit that would suddenly influence their voting intentions.  Of course,  other than that,  such a tax cut will disproportionately benefit the more comfortable.  But we knew that anyway.

 

Such a minor change at scale does **** all.  The money would be better spent on funding services.

We had bangers on here talking about upping sticks and moving South after the Kami-kwasi budget.

 

That's how gullible these rockets are