U.S. Politics megathread (merged)

[Jambo-Jimbo]

46 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

 

Watched a woman I missed where she was a politician, but she is third generation military, and is an Air Force veteran. She recently visited one of the airfields where she was raised as a kid and her Dad was serving. She says that airfield is in need of new hangars, and a lot of runway work, and that was provided for in the appropriation, which Trump is going to use for his wall.

His nominee for U.N. Ambassador has withdrawn her nomination because of she claims nanny problems. It seems her nanny is undocumented, and she as a former reporter on Fox News and of course a strong Trump supporter on Immigration. The commentator reporting suggested that is not justification for standing down, Trump is President and his facilities have and probably still do employ many undocumented immigrants.

 

But the Generals want Trump to use the money for his wall, or in this case whatever the equivalent rank is in the Airforce.

 

[redjambo]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

But the Generals want Trump to use the money for his wall, or in this case whatever the equivalent rank is in the Airforce.

 

 

It's also General.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_officers_in_the_United_States

[Jambo-Jimbo]

8 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

It's also General.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_officers_in_the_United_States

 

Cheers ?

 

It's an Air Chief Marshal here in the UK.

[Craig_]

Still can't get the feeling that all this wall stuff is just a smokescreen for something much larger, such as the removal of USD as global reserve currency.

 

Would love to know what the meetings with China are all about too, guess we'll all find out once this phony trade war is over.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

On 16/02/2019 at 14:07, bobsharp said:

 

The root of Trumps problem is that he spent most of his campaign stating, not suggesting that he would have a 30ft beautiful c oncrete wall built along the southern U.S. border and that Mexico would pay for it. It seemed an excellent idea to his base, but somewhat crumbled when the Mexican President in excellent English, told him to "F..K OFF". He is now struggling to keep at least part of his promise and talking about using money that is apportioned for the military to build houses, schools, and other facilities for the people he calls heroes. He is also talking about taking money from Disaster Relief, a situation to assist after a real emergency.

 

I know you state you are not a supporter of Trump, but you sure sound like it, and check Anne Coulter's statement, he is taking ac tion that only satisfies the lower intellected  people of his base.

Same way he voted to remain. If it walks like a duck, etc. 

[Francis Albert]

Just now, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Same way he voted to remain. If it walks like a duck, etc. 

I have asked before but never had an answer. Give one example of me expressing support for Trump.

And although a bit of a technicality I have never said I voted remain.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Francis Albert

[Jamboelite]

5 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I have asked before but never had an answer. Give one example of me expressing support for Trump.

And although a bit of a technicality I have never said I voted remain.

You do what you always do Francis in every topic, you think you are being clever by picking the contrary viewpoint and mask it as debate.

 

Its then met with faux outrage at being criticised for having an opinion.

 

Its why people block you. Im guessing if you just expressed your view, as opposed to always wanting to take an alternative stance, people might not then assume for example that you were a Trump supporter.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

Edited February 18, 2019 by Jamboelite

[Francis Albert]

Just now, Jamboelite said:

You do what you always do Francis in every topic, you think you are being clever by picking the contrary viewpoint and mask it as debate.

 

Its then met with faux outrage at being criticised for having an opinion.

 

Its why people block you. Im guessing if you just expressed your view, as opposed to always wanting to take an alternative stance, people might not then assume for example that you were a Trump supporter.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

I take it you couldn't gind any evidence for the assertion that I am a Trump supporter.

There is a fine example on the Brexit Negotlations thread  currently that perhaps explains my inclination tp dissent from group think. A number of seemingly knowledgeable posters have explained why loss of jobs in Honda and other Japanese carmakers has little or nothing to do with Brexit. The arch remainers who represemt the vast majority on that thread simply ignore these points or make irrelevant and tediously repetitive "jokes" about the (admittedly great) incompetence of the UK governmemt.

Thanks for your advice but I will ignore it.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Francis Albert

[Watt-Zeefuik]

For the last time, Francis isn't a Trump supporter, he's just unpleasant.

 

For instance, he watches things like this, separations specifically engineered by Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions, and says, "well, you know there's many issues, and I don't think we should be too hasty, and Obama did some bad things too..."

 

 

 

This was literally on purpose. My government literally traumatized and abused children with the intent of trying to dissuade people fleeing failed states in Central America -- states that failed because of policies enacted by ghouls like Elliott Abrams, whom Trump has now picked to lead Venezuela policy, have left them as gutted, unstable societies.

 

Sometimes there's no black and white, but sometimes there actually is.

 

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the negr0’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the negr0 to wait for a “more convenient season.”"

- Martin Luther King Jr.

[Jamboelite]

16 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I take it you couldn't gind any evidence for the assertion that I am a Trump supporter.

There is a fine example on the Brexit Negotlations thread  currently that perhaps explains my inclination tp dissent from group think. A number of seemingly knowledgeable posters have explained why loss of jobs in Honda and other Japanese carmakers has little or nothing to do with Brexit. The arch remainers who represemt the vast majority on that thread simply ignore these points or make irrelevant and tediously repetitive "jokes" about the (admittedly great) incompetence of the UK governmemt.

Thanks for your advice but I will ignore it.

I didnt go looking for any evidence to prove or disprove i merely offered a reason why people think you might ee but i note you don’t refute the points made.

 

[Francis Albert]

17 minutes ago, Ugly American said:

For the last time, Francis isn't a Trump supporter, he's just unpleasant.

 

For instance, he watches things like this, separations specifically engineered by Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions, and says, "well, you know there's many issues, and I don't think we should be too hasty, and Obama did some bad things too..."

 

 

 

This was literally on purpose. My government literally traumatized and abused children with the intent of trying to dissuade people fleeing failed states in Central America -- states that failed because of policies enacted by ghouls like Elliott Abrams, whom Trump has now picked to lead Venezuela policy, have left them as gutted, unstable societies.

 

Sometimes there's no black and white, but sometimes there actually is.

 

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the negr0’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the negr0 to wait for a “more convenient season.”"

- Martin Luther King Jr.

I have never of course said anything remotely like the words you put into my mouth in the second paragraph. And it is not paraphrasing  - it is just complete distortion. Unpleasant to borrow your word. 

(I am not sure of the context of MLK's fine words but they may well have appiled to JFK who famously angrily told King that in holding his march on Washington he was  "Holding a gun to his (Kennedy's) head".)

[Watt-Zeefuik]

3 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I have never of course said anything remotely like the words you put into my mouth in the second paragraph. And it is not paraphrasing  - it is just complete distortion. Unpleasant to borrow your word. 

(I am not sure of the context of MLK's fine words but they may well have appiled to JFK who famously angrily told King that in holding his march on Washington he was  "Holding a gun to his (Kennedy's) head".)

 

This is you literally responding to someone horrified by the detentions, the potential remedies, and organized opposition as playing the "let's just compete in the I am more offended by Trump than you game."

 

 

MLK's words were from his famous "Letter from a Birmingham Jail." http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

[Francis Albert]

Just now, Ugly American said:

 

This is you literally responding to someone horrified by the detentions, the potential remedies, and organized opposition as playing the "let's just compete in the I am more offended by Trump than you game."

 

 

MLK's words were from his famous "Letter from a Birmingham Jail." http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

I am genuinely not clear what you are on about here. My reply you quote was simply referring to the idea that the President of the USA might be deposed by a court in the Hague, a stupid idea however legitimately  outraged the author of that suggestion was. 

But all too typical of Trump opponents who rather than mount credible political challenge to Trump invest in hopes for some easier way out that would probably lead to an even worse replacement.

Thanks for the reference for the MLK Speech. As i said it could apply equally to the Kennedy administration which opposed direct action such as the peaceful march on Washington and did rather less to enforce school desegregetion in the South than did the Eisenhauer administration. Kennedy after all needed the votes of the still predominantly Democratic Southern states.

In your earlier post quoting MLK I see in MLK's terms Trump as the KKK or redneck Southern Governors and much of the mainstream politicians in both parties who pay lip service to progress toward true racial equality as what MLK said was the real obstacle.

[ri Alban]

Bernie is coming for Trump. Get in!

[Cade]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/20/florida-boy-arrested-refused-pledge-of-allegiance-school

 

'KIN HELL MAN

[milky_26]

4 minutes ago, Cade said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/20/florida-boy-arrested-refused-pledge-of-allegiance-school

 

'KIN HELL MAN

they seem to have taken trumps sack them if they take a knee during the anthem a bit further

[Craig Gordons Gloves]

55 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Bernie is coming for Trump. Get in!

 

He's going to get nowhere, again. All Trump (or any republican nominee) has to shout is "SOCIALIST" and 40% of the electorate shite themselves and no matter how sensible or non socialist any of his policies might be, he's done for with that. 

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

 

He's going to get nowhere, again. All Trump (or any republican nominee) has to shout is "SOCIALIST" and 40% of the electorate shite themselves and no matter how sensible or non socialist any of his policies might be, he's done for with that. 

Is it right they cheated him out of it last time for Hillary? 

[Craig Gordons Gloves]

5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Is it right they cheated him out of it last time for Hillary? 

 

In the sense that the rules for the democratic nomination include "super delegates" which meant that Sanders had a very slim chance of gaining the nomination - is that what you're asking? 

[ri Alban]

10 minutes ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

 

In the sense that the rules for the democratic nomination include "super delegates" which meant that Sanders had a very slim chance of gaining the nomination - is that what you're asking? 

I watched something ,  (What's his face that makes films, Fahrenheit 9/11) and it said he won all 55 in West Virginia , but they said Hillary won them.

 

Michael Moore Fahrenheit 11/9.

Edited February 20, 2019 by ri Alban

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

 

He's going to get nowhere, again. All Trump (or any republican nominee) has to shout is "SOCIALIST" and 40% of the electorate shite themselves and no matter how sensible or non socialist any of his policies might be, he's done for with that. 

 

Trump did that in the State of the Union address.  He said "we'll never have socialism in America", or words to that effect, and the Republicans in the room were on their feet cheering.

 

I wonder what he considers, Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps to be?

[Cade]

16 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Trump did that in the State of the Union address.  He said "we'll never have socialism in America", or words to that effect, and the Republicans in the room were on their feet cheering.

 

I wonder what he considers, Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps to be?

Not to mention the armed forces (including his imaginary space force), the border wall (paid for with general taxation) and all other kinds of government spending.

 

People who throw the word "socialism" around when they actually mean "stalinism" are retards.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

8 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I watched something ,  (What's his face that makes films, Fahrenheit 9/11) and it said he won all 55 in West Virginia , but they said Hillary won them.

 

Michael Moore Fahrenheit 11/9.

 

Arguably (and I must emphasize arguably) the DNC fudged the rules which impacted a maximum of a couple of dozen delegates in a delegate count race that Clinton won by a thousand.  She also handily won more primary votes nationally by about 3.5 million or 12% of votes cast.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

 

Sanders' only hope of getting the nomination by late April was to try to convince "superdelegates" to vote for him to override the popular primary vote -- to basically use a system which was basically designed to keep out candidates like him to override popular opinion. Shockingly, it didn't work and all he did was whip up his supporters into a paranoid frenzy.

 

On issues and platform alone I'm 100% behind him but he's acutely lousy at things that a President and Presidential candidate has to be good at.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

19 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I am genuinely not clear what you are on about here.

 

That much is obvious.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

Meanwhile there's  a former President with his priorities straight.

 

 

GO HEELS

[Francis Albert]

Just now, Ugly American said:

 

That much is obvious.

Being a poor man's Uly doesn't become you UA.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Ugly American said:

 

Arguably (and I must emphasize arguably) the DNC fudged the rules which impacted a maximum of a couple of dozen delegates in a delegate count race that Clinton won by a thousand.  She also handily won more primary votes nationally by about 3.5 million or 12% of votes cast.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

 

Sanders' only hope of getting the nomination by late April was to try to convince "superdelegates" to vote for him to override the popular primary vote -- to basically use a system which was basically designed to keep out candidates like him to override popular opinion. Shockingly, it didn't work and all he did was whip up his supporters into a paranoid frenzy.

 

On issues and platform alone I'm 100% behind him but he's acutely lousy at things that a President and Presidential candidate has to be good at.

Cheers ?

[Seymour M Hersh]

I wonder if the raft of "celebs" who assured us all they would flee to Canada should Trump become President ever fled?

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

I wonder if the raft of "celebs" who assured us all they would flee to Canada should Trump become President ever fled?

 

Based on what I've read or heard in the media, no 'celeb' came to Canada.

 

But there has been a dramatic upswing in people crossing the border and claiming refugee status. Many of these people were from other countries, but in 2017 (the first year of Trump's presidency) there were 2,550 US citizens who claimed refugee status, which was 6X the number of the previous year. 

[Maple Leaf]

30 minutes ago, Barack said:

Where's Canada's wall!?

 

Canadians prefer to build bridges, not walls ... and I mean that literally.  A new bridge is being built between Windsor and Detroit, which is mainly being funded by Canada.  It will ease the flow of goods between the two countries.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordie_Howe_International_Bridge

[J.T.F.Robertson]

13 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Being a poor man's Uly doesn't become you UA.

 

And being a repetitive devil's advocate?

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Based on what I've read or heard in the media, no 'celeb' came to Canada.

 

But there has been a dramatic upswing in people crossing the border and claiming refugee status. Many of these people were from other countries, but in 2017 (the first year of Trump's presidency) there were 2,550 US citizens who claimed refugee status, which was 6X the number of the previous year. 

 

Lucky Canada! 

 

Refugee status? What a bunch of sad sacks! 

Edited February 21, 2019 by Seymour M Hersh

[Watt-Zeefuik]

14 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Being a poor man's Uly doesn't become you UA.

 

Francis, I've been saying the same thing to you for months now. You're either too dense to understand or (far more likely) are too busy looking for your next angle to work that you can't be bothered. I'm not writing in French, you can figure it out if you actually bother to try.

[Ulysses]

16 hours ago, Ugly American said:

 

Arguably (and I must emphasize arguably) the DNC fudged the rules which impacted a maximum of a couple of dozen delegates in a delegate count race that Clinton won by a thousand.  She also handily won more primary votes nationally by about 3.5 million or 12% of votes cast.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

 

Sanders' only hope of getting the nomination by late April was to try to convince "superdelegates" to vote for him to override the popular primary vote -- to basically use a system which was basically designed to keep out candidates like him to override popular opinion. Shockingly, it didn't work and all he did was whip up his supporters into a paranoid frenzy.

 

On issues and platform alone I'm 100% behind him but he's acutely lousy at things that a President and Presidential candidate has to be good at.

 

 

Didn't Clinton outscore Obama in the popular vote in the 2008 primaries?

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Ugly American said:

 

Francis, I've been saying the same thing to you for months now. You're either too dense to understand or (far more likely) are too busy looking for your next angle to work that you can't be bothered. I'm not writing in French, you can figure it out if you actually bother to try.

 

By the way, if you can't do it for yourself, do it for the rest of us. 

 

Other people on this forum need the attention.  I don't, and if you think about it you could be doing without it as well. 

[JackLadd]

Is the new guy Barr a Trump thrall? Looks to me he's getting Mueller to rap up before the job is done. Didn't happen when Clinton was being investigated by Starr, that lasted over 4 years.

[Sharpie]

2 hours ago, JackLadd said:

Is the new guy Barr a Trump thrall? Looks to me he's getting Mueller to rap up before the job is done. Didn't happen when Clinton was being investigated by Starr, that lasted over 4 years.

 

He was certainly Trumps personal nomination. I watched quite a number of his nomination hearings, and he according to some of his previous comments with regards to action against a President he sounds like someone Trump thinks woould be beneficial. He did at the same time answer many of the questions by stating quite strongly that his actions would be according to the rules. The proof will be in the pudding next week if the report is released as stated.

I just watched some comments on Roger Stone and his court appearance today about the picture of the Judge he had printed out. What seems to be coming out in the conversations is that people who have supported Trump are now becoming a bit defensive because so many of those who have been close to him are now felons, facing such as Manafort long jail sentences, and people who are completely clean are being concerned that they may by association be  seen to be of similar character.

[jambovambo]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-ex-lawyer-to-accuse-the-us-president-of-lying-cheating-and-racism-in-first-public-hearing_uk_5c763b88e4b0031d9563542e?

 

This is dynamite.

[jambovambo]

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1100760410570006529

[hughesie27]

TLDR version please?

 

All I've seen is copies of cheques which could be payment for anything?

[Jamboelite]

Should this not be in the Donald Trump thread ??

[jambovambo]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

TLDR version please?

 

All I've seen is copies of cheques which could be payment for anything?

1/ "I recognize that some of you may doubt and attack me on my credibility. It is for this reason that I have incorporated into this opening statement documents that are irrefutable, and demonstrate that the information you will hear is accurate and truthful."

2/ "I regret the day I said yes to Mr. Trump. I regret all the help and support I gave him along the way. I am ashamed of my own failings, and I publicly accepted responsibility for them by pleading guilty in the SDNY. I am ashamed of my weakness and misplaced loyalty."

3/ "I am ashamed of the things I did for Mr. Trump in an effort to protect and promote him. I am ashamed that I chose to take part in concealing Mr. Trump's illicit acts...I am ashamed because I know what Mr. Trump is. He is a racist. He is a conman. He is a cheat."

4/ "Donald Trump was a presidential candidate who knew that Roger Stone was talking with Julian Assange about a WikiLeaks drop of Democratic National Committee emails."

5/ "I'm here to tell the truth about Mr. Trump. I lied to Congress about when Mr. Trump stopped negotiating the Moscow Tower project in Russia. I stated that we stopped negotiating in January 2016. That was false—our negotiations continued for months later during the campaign."

6/ "In conversations we had during the campaign, at the same time I was actively negotiating in Russia for him, Mr. Trump would look me in the eye and tell
me there's no business in Russia and then go out and lie to the American people by saying the same thing."

7/ "In his way, Mr. Trump was telling me to lie. There were at least a half-dozen times between the Iowa Caucus in January 2016 and the end of June when he would ask me, 'How's it going in Russia?'—referring to the Moscow Tower project."

8/ "You need to know that Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my [false] statement to Congress about the timing of the Moscow Tower negotiations before I gave it."

9/ "Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. He lied about it because he never expected to win the election. He also lied...because he stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars on the Moscow real estate project."

10/ "So I lied about [the Moscow project], too—because Mr. Trump had made clear to me, through his personal statements to me that we both knew were false and through his lies to the country, that he wanted me to lie."

11/ "For the record: 'Individual #1' is President Donald J. Trump."

12/ "It is...painful to admit that many times I ignored my conscience and acted loyal to a man when I should not have. Sitting here today, it seems unbelievable that I was so mesmerized by Donald Trump that I was willing to do things for him that I knew were absolutely wrong."

13/ "I have come here to apologize to my family, to the government, and to the American people. Accordingly, let me now tell you about Mr. Trump."

14/ "Being around Mr. Trump was intoxicating. When you were in his presence, you felt like you were involved in something greater....I wound up touting the Trump narrative for over a decade. That was my job. Always stay on message. Always defend. It monopolized my life."

15/ "Over time, I saw Mr. Trump's true character revealed. He is an enigma....He is capable of behaving kindly, but he is not kind. He is capable of committing acts of generosity, but he is not generous. He is capable of being loyal, but he is fundamentally disloyal."

16/ "He ran for office to make his brand great—not to make our country great. He had no desire or intention to lead this nation—only to market himself and build his wealth and power. He would often say, this campaign...[will] be the 'greatest infomercial in political history.'"

17/ "He never expected to win the primary. He never expected to win the general election. The campaign—for him—was always a marketing opportunity."

18/ "I knew early on in my work for Mr. Trump that he would direct me to lie to further his business interests. I am ashamed to say that when it was for a real estate mogul in the private sector, I considered it trivial. As the President, I consider it significant and dangerous."

19/ "Lying for Mr. Trump was normalized, and no one around him questioned it. In fairness, no one around him today questions it, either. A lot of people have asked me about whether Mr. Trump knew about the release of the hacked DNC emails ahead of time. The answer is yes."

20/ "Mr. Trump knew from Roger Stone in advance about the WikiLeaks drop of emails. In July 2016—days before the Democratic convention—I was in Mr. Trump's office when his secretary announced that Roger Stone was on the phone. Mr. Trump put Mr. Stone on the speakerphone...{cont.}

21/ "...Stone told Mr. Trump he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange and that Assange told Stone that—within a couple days—there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Clinton's campaign. Mr. Trump responded...to the effect of, 'wouldn't that be great.'"

22/ "Mr. Trump is a racist. The country has seen Mr. Trump court white supremacists and bigots. You have heard him call poorer countries 'shitholes.'
In private, he is even worse. He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn't a 'shithole.'"

23/ "While we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, Mr. Trump commented that only black people could live that way. And, he told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid."

24/ "Mr. Trump is a cheat.... It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes."

25/ "He directed me to find a straw bidder to purchase a portrait of him that was being auctioned. The objective was to ensure that his portrait would go for the highest price of any portrait. It was purchased by the fake bidder for 60K. He directed the Trump Foundation...{cont.}

26/ "...which is supposed to be a charitable organization, to repay the fake bidder, despite keeping the art for himself. Please see Exhibit 3B to my testimony."

27/ "Mr. Trump directed me to call business owners, many of whom were small businesses, that were owed money for their services and told them no payment or a reduced payment would be coming. When I advised Mr. Trump of my success, he actually reveled in it."

28/ "Mr. Trump is a conman. He asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair, and to lie to his wife about it, which I did.

[jambovambo]

1 minute ago, Jamboelite said:

Should this not be in the Donald Trump thread ??

Fair enough. Sorry.

[jambovambo]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-ex-lawyer-to-accuse-the-us-president-of-lying-cheating-and-racism-in-first-public-hearing_uk_5c763b88e4b0031d9563542e?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

[hughesie27]

Cheques don't really prove anything do they?

[Jamboelite]

31 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Cheques don't really prove anything do they?

Maybe not in themselves but if he can prove the cheques were paid as a direct request from the man himself then yes.

 

It depends what other evidence he has as he is not exactly the most trustworthy of people so he needs to have concrete evidence otherwise his testimony wont be worth anything.

[hughesie27]

1 minute ago, Jamboelite said:

Maybe not in themselves but if he can prove the cheques were paid as a direct request from the man himself then yes.

 

It depends what other evidence he has as he is not exactly the most trustworthy of people so he needs to have concrete evidence otherwise his testimony wont be worth anything.

Presumbaly he has no other evience though as it would presumably have came up, along with the cheques, in his opening statements.

[JackLadd]

Cohen has been VERY credible thus far and provided documents shattering to Trump and his crime family.

[Geoff the Mince]

Cohen's own lawyer not getting paid to represent him and will only receive payment when Cohen is out the clink in 3 yes (and back working)

 

Does anyone believe this pish ?

[JackLadd]

10 minutes ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Cohen's own lawyer not getting paid to represent him and will only receive payment when Cohen is out the clink in 3 yes (and back working)

 

Does anyone believe this pish ?

 

Trumptards believed pish like Mex will pay.