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12 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

It probably prods him in the side that he wasn’t actually in the SAS.......SBS yes but, no one would watch “SBS are you tough enough”

Why? 

 

 

And as far as Am is concerned, my nephew in law(SBS member) was right. He is a bellend and bullshitter. 

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21 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

It probably prods him in the side that he wasn’t actually in the SAS.......SBS yes but, no one would watch “SBS are you tough enough”

 

Aren't the SBS meant to be "tougher" than the SAS? Might have that wrong. 

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17 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

It probably prods him in the side that he wasn’t actually in the SAS.......SBS yes but, no one would watch “SBS are you tough enough”

 

Isn't SBS harder to get into?

I was listening to a podcast with a former SBS guy recently, from what I gathered they do the same training, but the SBS then do a further water module, but if they fail that they are still allowed to join the SAS.

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16 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Aren't the SBS meant to be "tougher" than the SAS? Might have that wrong. 

I think the selection course is the same for all Special Forces. I'm led to believe  they go into one of 4 Squadrons. Each squadron has 4 troops of 16 men and they do their own specialist areas of training. They are then rotated. so one or two will be on active service, one on standby at home and one in training. They all have different skill sets for different terrains or situations. 

 

I have a family member based in Poole. He was formerly RMC and that was the jist of it I gathered. I think most SBS come from the commandos and most SAS from Parachute Reg, Guards and infantry but not always the case, as if you pass selection, you're in. I think being in the Commandos or Para's just makes it a bit easier to pass as they have already passed a rigorous selection process themselves as elite troops. 

 

Credit it to them. They must all be absolute machines. 

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My knowledge of the SAS is limited, my understanding is that the concept started in WW2, with the LRDG. Long Range Desert Group which was a commando type group in the Middle East going into occupied territories and creating mayhem. They were in their initial period led by a Scots Guards officer.   

 My second enlightenment was in the early fifties speaking to some of our 2nd Battalion members who had served in Malaya during the guerilla bandit times. They had their own stories but all had a tale of those crazy guys who parachute jumped from aircraft at basically tree top height, they were from a barely known unit SAS. 

In 1954 home on leave after our time in Egypt a group of us went into a servicemens club off Princes Street, there was a soldier in uniform, at a table alone his shoulder flashes referred to Special Air Service. We joined him at the table, nice guy but sort of serious, we asked about Malaya and he never really concurred just didn't contradict we realised at the conclusion of our time with him that we had had a good time lots of conversation, but he told us nothing. 

The SAS were around, but not well known, our own Brigade in Egypt 32n Guards Brigade was made up with what at the time were three of the elite military groups for Britain  Guards battalion, us, 40 Marine Commando, and a Parachute Regiment Battalion.

 

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2 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I think the selection course is the same for all Special Forces. I'm led to believe  they go into one of 4 Squadrons. Each squadron has 4 troops of 16 men and they do their own specialist areas of training. They are then rotated. so one or two will be on active service, one on standby at home and one in training. They all have different skill sets for different terrains or situations. 

 

I have a family member based in Poole. He was formerly RMC and that was the jist of it I gathered. I think most SBS come from the commandos and most SAS from Parachute Reg, Guards and infantry but not always the case, as if you pass selection, you're in. I think being in the Commandos or Para's just makes it a bit easier to pass as they have already passed a rigorous selection process themselves as elite troops. 

 

Credit it to them. They must all be absolute machines. 

 The Guards I believe still have their own highly trained Parachute Unit.

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Whenever you watch any tv show or documentary about special forces from around the world there are obvious stereotypes. The American navy seal types tend to be aggressive, over muscled types that look like Hollywood’s idea of action heroes. In contrast the British guys tend to be quiet, wiry looking blokes that exude self confidence and dangerous efficiency in a very understated way. I think Middleton bought into watching too many American films. Just compare him to the other ex soldiers on the TV show. 

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Just now, Sharpie said:

 The Guards I believe still have their own highly trained Parachute Unit.

I believe you're right sharpie and they did up until about 1975. My ex father in law was a guardsman in the 1970's and he has mentioned it before. I think it was what is now called the Pathfinder Unit, who are also classed as a Special Operations. 

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7 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

My knowledge of the SAS is limited, my understanding is that the concept started in WW2, with the LRDG. Long Range Desert Group which was a commando type group in the Middle East going into occupied territories and creating mayhem. They were in their initial period led by a Scots Guards officer.   

 My second enlightenment was in the early fifties speaking to some of our 2nd Battalion members who had served in Malaya during the guerilla bandit times. They had their own stories but all had a tale of those crazy guys who parachute jumped from aircraft at basically tree top height, they were from a barely known unit SAS. 

In 1954 home on leave after our time in Egypt a group of us went into a servicemens club off Princes Street, there was a soldier in uniform, at a table alone his shoulder flashes referred to Special Air Service. We joined him at the table, nice guy but sort of serious, we asked about Malaya and he never really concurred just didn't contradict we realised at the conclusion of our time with him that we had had a good time lots of conversation, but he told us nothing. 

The SAS were around, but not well known, our own Brigade in Egypt 32n Guards Brigade was made up with what at the time were three of the elite military groups for Britain  Guards battalion, us, 40 Marine Commando, and a Parachute Regiment Battalion.

 

My old man used to talk about when he came across them in Malaya and that very same daft parachute tactic. His impression of them at the time was slightly eccentric posh officers and borderline psychotic other ranks. The common factor being a loose attitude to regulations but a keenness for action. Well removed from the slick outfit they became as time went by. 

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46 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I believe you're right sharpie and they did up until about 1975. My ex father in law was a guardsman in the 1970's and he has mentioned it before. I think it was what is now called the Pathfinder Unit, who are also classed as a Special Operations. 

 If and thats a big word I had stayed in the Regiment my next move would have been to apply for the Parachute unit. Apart from the experience and prestige many of the senior non commissioned  and warrant officer ranks wore their earned wings proudly.

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1 hour ago, Sharpie said:

My knowledge of the SAS is limited, my understanding is that the concept started in WW2, with the LRDG. Long Range Desert Group which was a commando type group in the Middle East going into occupied territories and creating mayhem. They were in their initial period led by a Scots Guards officer.   

 My second enlightenment was in the early fifties speaking to some of our 2nd Battalion members who had served in Malaya during the guerilla bandit times. They had their own stories but all had a tale of those crazy guys who parachute jumped from aircraft at basically tree top height, they were from a barely known unit SAS. 

In 1954 home on leave after our time in Egypt a group of us went into a servicemens club off Princes Street, there was a soldier in uniform, at a table alone his shoulder flashes referred to Special Air Service. We joined him at the table, nice guy but sort of serious, we asked about Malaya and he never really concurred just didn't contradict we realised at the conclusion of our time with him that we had had a good time lots of conversation, but he told us nothing. 

The SAS were around, but not well known, our own Brigade in Egypt 32n Guards Brigade was made up with what at the time were three of the elite military groups for Britain  Guards battalion, us, 40 Marine Commando, and a Parachute Regiment Battalion.

 

I read a book about the SAS a good few years ago, which was mostly about Malaya. The area they were operating in was almost entirely forest, so they were trained to actually land in the treetops.

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1 hour ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Isn't SBS harder to get into?

I was listening to a podcast with a former SBS guy recently, from what I gathered they do the same training, but the SBS then do a further water module, but if they fail that they are still allowed to join the SAS.

SBS only recruit from the marines 

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Der Kaiser

If Sabre Team on the Amiga was part of the selection process I'd have been recruited immediately. 

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2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Why? 

 

 

And as far as Am is concerned, my nephew in law(SBS member) was right. He is a bellend and bullshitter. 

 

I had that guy from Ant and Dec in my mind's eye and was thinking 'He's never been in the SAS...?'

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15 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I read a book about the SAS a good few years ago, which was mostly about Malaya. The area they were operating in was almost entirely forest, so they were trained to actually land in the treetops.

 Yes that makes sense, I would suspect that when the men in the jungle doing the land part of the incursion saw or heard them landing in the trees of the jungle they assumed that they were being dropped from that height. The infantryman wrongly was judged by many as being pretty stupid, sometimes as in this case we worked hard at proving this myth.😉  I have to say I have never heard any one in any situation say I wish the SAS would stay at home they were well respected, and honestly looked at with some awe. 

I don't know how they are now but I am also unaware of them interrelating with other units. In our case when in Port Said with the Paras and Marines we had at times things like boxing tournaments. I was there in 1953/4. In 1981 my police Department hosted a conference in Vancouver.  I was given the task of going to the airport and picking up a man who was the head of security for an Arab Island nation, he was a former Para and some suggested the other, when he was in the car with his wife and me driving I saw he was studying me quite intensely, he then said were you in the Guards in Port Said, I said yes, he said did you ever box against a Para, and I sort of said probably he then said I knew you as soon as I got in the car we fought and I recall it was a good fight, that was close to thirty years later.

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highlandjambo3
2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Why? 

 

 

And as far as Am is concerned, my nephew in law(SBS member) was right. He is a bellend and bullshitter. 

Why!......well the SAS are well known.....the SBS not so much

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highlandjambo3
2 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Isn't SBS harder to get into?

I was listening to a podcast with a former SBS guy recently, from what I gathered they do the same training, but the SBS then do a further water module, but if they fail that they are still allowed to join the SAS.

Nah.....not so.  Their selections are a separate process.

 

Probably both as tough as each other though.

 

SAS squadrons are broken down into:

 

Boat troop

mountain troop

mobility troop

Air troop

 

All skilled in each other’s role but specialise in their own troop categories.

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9 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 Yes that makes sense, I would suspect that when the men in the jungle doing the land part of the incursion saw or heard them landing in the trees of the jungle they assumed that they were being dropped from that height. The infantryman wrongly was judged by many as being pretty stupid, sometimes as in this case we worked hard at proving this myth.😉  I have to say I have never heard any one in any situation say I wish the SAS would stay at home they were well respected, and honestly looked at with some awe. 

I don't know how they are now but I am also unaware of them interrelating with other units. In our case when in Port Said with the Paras and Marines we had at times things like boxing tournaments. I was there in 1953/4. In 1981 my police Department hosted a conference in Vancouver.  I was given the task of going to the airport and picking up a man who was the head of security for an Arab Island nation, he was a former Para and some suggested the other, when he was in the car with his wife and me driving I saw he was studying me quite intensely, he then said were you in the Guards in Port Said, I said yes, he said did you ever box against a Para, and I sort of said probably he then said I knew you as soon as I got in the car we fought and I recall it was a good fight, that was close to thirty years later.

The SAS often relate with other soldiers on “specific” training courses and, if a non infantryman passes SAS selection, say someone from the engineers or artillery, immediately after selection they are sent to Brecon to complete the junior infantry battle course, designed for infantry corporals.

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2 hours ago, Cruyff said:

I believe you're right sharpie and they did up until about 1975. My ex father in law was a guardsman in the 1970's and he has mentioned it before. I think it was what is now called the Pathfinder Unit, who are also classed as a Special Operations. 

The Guards Independant Parachute Company is still very much in existence. My nephew is in it. 

 

Pathfinders are a part of the Parachute Regiment. (as far as I know although they may have been absorbed into the 1st Reconnaissance Regiment but I'm not sure about that..). 

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7 minutes ago, muldoon74 said:

The Guards Independant Parachute Company is still very much in existence. My nephew is in it. 

 

Pathfinders are a part of the Parachute Regiment. (as far as I know although they may have been absorbed into the 1st Reconnaissance Regiment but I'm not sure about that..). 

 I envy the young man good on him.

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rambothejambo

As an ex bootneck selection for both SAS & SB was originally different but the guys now do a SF course together then specialise. SBS originally recruited only from the Corps (obviously being water based sneaky beakies)/SAS from the Army, but the option is now there for SF passed out ranks to go either way. 95 odd % of Marines who pass selection tend to go down the SBS route, however the Squadron are not solely water based sneakies, their work in the recent desert terrain type conflicts makes incredible reading. Don't get me started on Guards or Pathfinders, no-one should even begin to think they are anything special, the Recce Troops in any of the Commando Units would put them to shame. RTJ.

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1 hour ago, rambothejambo said:

As an ex bootneck selection for both SAS & SB was originally different but the guys now do a SF course together then specialise. SBS originally recruited only from the Corps (obviously being water based sneaky beakies)/SAS from the Army, but the option is now there for SF passed out ranks to go either way. 95 odd % of Marines who pass selection tend to go down the SBS route, however the Squadron are not solely water based sneakies, their work in the recent desert terrain type conflicts makes incredible reading. Don't get me started on Guards or Pathfinders, no-one should even begin to think they are anything special, the Recce Troops in any of the Commando Units would put them to shame. RTJ.

  Was there a reason the Guards didn't accept you, unusual for real soldiers to be critical publicly of other Regiments Unusual for a British Marine to use the term Corps, I thought they were the Royal Marines, and the unit I served alongside were 40 Royal Marine Commando, never heard, used or seen the word Corps related to them. The Scots Guards for example have been written about in history books since 1942, have never disgraced themselves, and have performed admirably in every conflict since their founding. They acquitted themselves admirably in the Falklands, and are presently engaged in many of the present conflicts.  No one suggested they are special their performances could easily go unnoticed because it is what is expected of them. I am a former serving guardsman, you see the difference between you and me as a guardsman a product of the elite training I don't use the term ex, I am a Guardsman just not at the present serving.

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Sharpie, can only assume you're on the wind up, every single bootneck has a healthy disdain for all pongo regiments especially any Guards regiment. Maybe good for standing in a bearskin outside a royal residence, absolutely useless in the field. For a start it's never been 40 Royal Marine Commando, it's known as plain old 40, and if you don't think that ex booties call the Corps just that shows you know **** all about me or the Corps. Suggest you re-read your recent military history if you believe any of the Guards regiments acquitted themselves well down south, the only other regiment I would give credit too are the Paras. Absolute bullshit on your call of going unnoticed because that's what's expected, feckin laughable fella. By the way, how the feck can you be a former serving guardsman, you can only be one of the other. Guardsman and elite will never be seen in the same sentence, maybe try harder next time. As the advert states 99.9% need not apply. Gaz Kellet.

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And in one post manages to demonstrate why everyone hates the marines. 

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21 minutes ago, rambothejambo said:

Sharpie, can only assume you're on the wind up, every single bootneck has a healthy disdain for all pongo regiments especially any Guards regiment. Maybe good for standing in a bearskin outside a royal residence, absolutely useless in the field. For a start it's never been 40 Royal Marine Commando, it's known as plain old 40, and if you don't think that ex booties call the Corps just that shows you know **** all about me or the Corps. Suggest you re-read your recent military history if you believe any of the Guards regiments acquitted themselves well down south, the only other regiment I would give credit too are the Paras. Absolute bullshit on your call of going unnoticed because that's what's expected, feckin laughable fella. By the way, how the feck can you be a former serving guardsman, you can only be one of the other. Guardsman and elite will never be seen in the same sentence, maybe try harder next time. As the advert states 99.9% need not apply. Gaz Kellet.

  Sir, I hereby declare you an embarrassment to the fine service that you claim to represent. I also suspect that you are making a claim that all Royal Marines have a healthy disdain for all pongo regiments especially any Guards Regiments. I would normally in such discussion say "with all due respect", on this occasion I will disperse with that formality. I may be getting old but I would suggest that you search  google for 32nd Guards Brigade in Suez crisis 1953. I respond to your comment that I know, "obscenity" all about the Corps, when I advise you that as a member of the Edinburgh City Police I knew numerous former Marines, and when asked where they served they stated the Marines. The Corps in British military terms says nothing, because there are so many Service, Dental,Signals, Medical etc. and of course the Royal Corp of Royal Marines. A response to with whom did you serve in Britain  of the Corps would immediately solicit a response of which one. With your comment about down south are you referring to the Falklands, if so I would suggest you do some research into the battles there, particularly the battle at Tumbledown Ridge which the Scots Guards fought and won leading to the end of the conflict with the Argentinian army. During that battle which was fought in a form of valley between  cliffs the gallantry of Scots Guardsmen when the mortar platoon were having problems when their weapons were slipping on the loose gravel surface, had guardsmen  volunteering to use their foot to create stability knowing on the discharge they would incur a broken ankle.. Your other point is how can you be a former serving guardsman, it is called past tense, meaning that I was a serving guardsman, which would be  different to someone claiming to be a former marine who actually gives more of the impression of a wannabe former marine. 

This thread has taken a turn, it is devoted to discussion of the SAS and SBS, I have nothing but the greatest respect for the SAS, I have had no actual dealings with the SBS have no criticism of them but I just don't know them. I also have nothing but respect certainly for the Royal Marines and the Parachute Regiment, for you sir I have nothing but disrespect but I am too polite to tell you how I really feel, you are a total disgrace to the Service you claim to have served in, I will wish you a good day and politely suggest you remove your head from your anus.

 

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Again I can only assume you’re on the wind up, I certainly wouldn’t claim to be an ex bootie unless I was. As for your disrespect for me I don’t give a toss, you’re an ex pongo  guardsman who probably struggled to complete his six weeks basic training, when I know I completed my 30 weeks at CTC as a skinny sixteen year old boy, who then spent the next 16 years in the best military force in the world. Good night Perce, have a good one.

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4 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

The SAS often relate with other soldiers on “specific” training courses and, if a non infantryman passes SAS selection, say someone from the engineers or artillery, immediately after selection they are sent to Brecon to complete the junior infantry battle course, designed for infantry corporals.

Engineers have thier own 9 para sqn. Most sappers who join SAS come from them. Ant Middleton was 9 Sqn before he quit them to go to the Marines.

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The Frenchman Returns

Bob please don’t let this muppet get to you. A wee look at his Facebook page explain a lot.

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1 hour ago, rambothejambo said:

Sharpie, can only assume you're on the wind up, every single bootneck has a healthy disdain for all pongo regiments especially any Guards regiment. Maybe good for standing in a bearskin outside a royal residence, absolutely useless in the field. For a start it's never been 40 Royal Marine Commando, it's known as plain old 40, and if you don't think that ex booties call the Corps just that shows you know **** all about me or the Corps. Suggest you re-read your recent military history if you believe any of the Guards regiments acquitted themselves well down south, the only other regiment I would give credit too are the Paras. Absolute bullshit on your call of going unnoticed because that's what's expected, feckin laughable fella. By the way, how the feck can you be a former serving guardsman, you can only be one of the other. Guardsman and elite will never be seen in the same sentence, maybe try harder next time. As the advert states 99.9% need not apply. Gaz Kellet.

Where would you booties have been without us in the SENIOR SERVICE.

Where you down south in 82? Or are you going by stories past to you at Lympstone?

I was on the sister ship to Fearless.

Im sure you will work it out.

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13 minutes ago, rambothejambo said:

Again I can only assume you’re on the wind up, I certainly wouldn’t claim to be an ex bootie unless I was. As for your disrespect for me I don’t give a toss, you’re an ex pongo  guardsman who probably struggled to complete his six weeks basic training, when I know I completed my 30 weeks at CTC as a skinny sixteen year old boy, who then spent the next 16 years in the best military force in the world. Good night Perce, have a good one.

 Again you succeed in making and absolute fool of yourself,  for a start I joined the Scots Guards, at Caterham Barracks Surrey in September 1952. completed that basic training In January 1953,stil a seventeen year old. That part of the training was drill etc in preparation yes for the scarlet tunic and black bearskin cap for Royal Duties. From there I went to Pirbright Camp Surrey for another twelve weeks advanced infantry training where we were taught use of every weapon used by the British Infantry of those days, and the tactics in which they we used. On 10 May I with my squad boarded a Hermes Aircraft of the Queens Flight and proceeded to the Suez Canal Zone on Active Service for twenty months qualifying me for the General Service medal. During that time I achieved the rank of Lance Corporal, on conclusion of that service we returned to U.K where we took up Royal Duties in my case for nine months during which I attained the rank of Lance Sergeant, I concluded my service in September 1955 at age of twenty. If you and I still doubt it were a Royal Marine I would share your opinion that the Royal Marines are one of the better military forces in the world, no dissent from me, however your continuance of all things Guards further convince me that you sir are a wannabe, or have some other serious problem to have such hatred for another military unit, you did not deny that the guards rejected you, but I ask again did they. there is in some cultures that the is no bigger fool than one who enters discussion with a fool, I plead guilty to doing that.

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That’s right Sharpie I couldn’t get into the Guards so lowered my standards and joined the Royal Marines at sixteen years old. The disappointment of failure has never left me. I may have been a tad over zealous in my disrespect for all things non bootneck, if I have offended you I apologise, maybe some of the bullshit instilled in me nearly forty years ago has never left. The thought of anyone thinking that I never earned my green lid gets my goat up, blood sweat and tears doesn’t nearly describe thirty weeks of hell at Lympstone all those years ago. Again, apologies for any offence given. 

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