Dutchmul Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 It's easy to make "what about if" scenarios work to your argument though. What about if the money saved from guard wages was spent on track maintenance which in turn avoids the accident in the first place? I'm generally against striking. It seems the lowest form of debate. Your seriously deluding yourself if you think any money saved from getting rid of guards will be reinvested in the railways, it's purely for profit, nothing else. Despite what you might think, no one wants to strike, but when negotiations have failed and management will not budge, you ask your members if they wish to take industrial action and in this case the members voted to strike, for which they will not be paid. Don't believe what you read in the press about unions all being trotsky agitators, we provide a valuable service protecting members from exploitation. And yes, i'm a shop steward for a union(not the rmt or aslef). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36940445 Could this mean the strikes will be called off on Sunday? and next week? Or is that wishful thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36940445 Could this mean the strikes will be called off on Sunday? and next week? Or is that wishful thinking... There is a good chance.... Meeting on Wednesday so you will know for sure then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 There is a good chance.... Meeting on Wednesday so you will know for sure then Good news... what do you think the chances are? Will we know either way by end of tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 There is a good chance.... Meeting on Wednesday so you will know for sure then What time is the meeting today do you know? When do you think you will hear what the outcome is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 . not helpful or you just being lazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 What time is the meeting today do you know? When do you think you will hear what the outcome is? Strikes suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Strikes suspended oh good news... Anywhere this has been made official? Is it a case that there wont be any strikes over the next week, but might be again in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 oh good news... Anywhere this has been made official? Is it a case that there wont be any strikes over the next week, but might be again in the future? There won't be any strikes over the next week, that's all I know I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 There won't be any strikes over the next week, that's all I know I'm afraid Nice one Thanks for the update!! When is their next meeting do you know? Assuming they won't strike until atleast the next meeting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Nice one Thanks for the update!! When is their next meeting do you know? Assuming they won't strike until atleast the next meeting.... Meeting next week sometime but no chance of anymore strikes in next couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Meeting next week sometime but no chance of anymore strikes in next couple of weeks Fingers crossed that proper talks can go on now. Hopefully there won't be anymore strikes as the union members have been put through quite a lot recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just released from RMT: RMT BALLOT ON VIRGIN EAST COAST SEES 84% VOTE FOR STRIKE ACTION RAIL UNION RMT today confirmed an 84% vote in favour of strike action in its ballot of members on Virgin Trains East Coast over a threat to jobs, working conditions and safety. In addition nearly 90% voted in favour of industrial action short of a strike. The result will now be considered by the union executive. The ongoing dispute came to a head as the company chose to ignore the agreed negotiating machinery and subjected staff to a barrage of direct propaganda justifying their attempts to bulldoze through a package of cash-led measure that would decimate jobs, working conditions and threaten the safety regime that currently ensures a guard on every train. Nearly 200 jobs across the franchise are threatened by the cuts. RMT is aware of talk within the industry that Virgin/Stagecoach seriously overbid for the East Coast franchise when the publicly-run service was kicked out despite being hugely successful. It is thought that VTEC?s incompetence means that they are losing a fortune every week and are now looking to hack back on the staffing budget to try and prop up their position. From day one, RMT has asked the company to give us assurances on 6 main points: 1. Redeployment and protection agreements will be adhered to at all times. 2. There will be no compulsory redundancies. 3. A safety-critical guard will be present on every train. 4. Confirmation of establishment staffing numbers. 5. TUPE to be adhered to 6. Rates of pay to be protected Those assurances have not been forthcoming, the union has been ignored and now in the wake of a strong mandate for industrial action in this ballot the RMT National Executive Committee is considering the next course of action. RMT General Secretary Mick Cash said: "RMT will not sit back while nearly 200 members' jobs are under threat and while conditions and safety are put at risk by a franchise which is clearly in financial trouble. "RMT is aware that VTEC management are putting out regular propaganda messages to their employees, to justify the company`s attempts to attack job security, terms and conditions of employment and current working practices. In response to company propaganda, RMT?s view is clear. Long-standing agreements between our two organisations dictate that the company must negotiate with RMT, as a recognised trade union to those agreements, yet the company say these changes are a consultative process. That is simply not true. Any changes to staff terms and conditions are negotiable matters. ?The company have chosen to treat the negotiations as a game thus far, merely going through the motions of pretending they did not yet know what their plans entailed. To behave like that is to treat the union and its members with pure contempt. ?Our members will not pay the price for a crisis cooked up in the Virgin/Stagecoach boardroom. We will now be considering the massive mandate for action delivered by our members in this ballot and the union remains available for serious talks .? Ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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