John Findlay Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Is that the end of the strikes now? Possibly not. There may be strikes on Sunday 24th and Sunday the 31st of July. If this gets confirmed I will post a confirmation asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Possibly not. There may be strikes on Sunday 24th and Sunday the 31st of July. If this gets confirmed I will post a confirmation asap. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I got a late night train back from Inverkeithing last year. 3 guys got on after me,an empty carriage with seats everywhere and two of the guys sat right opposite facing me while the other one was out of my site but right behind me. I felt so uncomfortable about the way they were acting and how loud and aggresive they were towards me. The two facing me kept looking at the one behind me and I did think at one stage I was going to be attacked. They wanted to shout,ask questions and get me into conversations I did not want. I just wanted a quite journey home and they crowded me. The guy checking the tickets seemed to realise I was not happy and hung around the carriage for most of the journey. I thanked him when I got off. I hope all trains continue to have someone keeping an eye on behaviour like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Is that the end of the strikes now? Strikes next two Sunday's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Possibly not. There may be strikes on Sunday 24th and Sunday the 31st of July. If this gets confirmed I will post a confirmation asap. Strikes next two Sunday's Looks like these are now confirmed - cheers guys! I'm glad it is not on a week day or when Hearts are playing!! Is this likely to be the last of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Looks like these are now confirmed - cheers guys! I'm glad it is not on a week day or when Hearts are playing!! Is this likely to be the last of them? At the moment I would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 People working on the railway need to be supported here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 People working on the railway need to be supported here why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 People working on the railway need to be supported hereWhat about the commuters whose careers are affected? They are the ones paying for the wages of the rail staff. This is one of the reasons I drive to work and wouldn't consider a role further away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 What about the commuters whose careers are affected? They are the ones paying for the wages of the rail staff. Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 What about the commuters whose careers are affected? They are the ones paying for the wages of the rail staff. This is one of the reasons I drive to work and wouldn't consider a role further away. I'm sure most have solidarity with their fellow workers. It's inconvenient but arguably for the greater good. As an aside, I'd nationalise the railways. Too important to be in the hands of profiteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I'm sure most have solidarity with their fellow workers. It's inconvenient but arguably for the greater good. As an aside, I'd nationalise the railways. Too important to be in the hands of profiteers. Also to important to be at the mercy of unions. Getting a balance is the solution but alas to many vesTed interests on all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Also to important to be at the mercy of unions. Getting a balance is the solution but alas to many vesTed interests on all sides. I don't disagree with you. That's why I'm pro nationalisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Also to important to be at the mercy of unions. Getting a balance is the solution but alas to many vesTed interests on all sides. C'mon John, it's not the 70's, no one goes on strike for a giggle. One thing I do wonder is if this was mentioned during the tendering process. Could you imagine the seethe if this had come from a Westminster awarded contract from the people who did sign it off..... I would also suggest that if they get their way on DOO then we are only one small step away from fully automated trains. The profits will be worth more than the compensation paid to the occasional pleb who gets seriously injured. I'm no leftie but I'm with Boris on this one. I'd bring back British Rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Fully automated trains are already planned for Scotland. On the strike stuff though, if this is really all about safety and Scotrail are simply complying with current operating guidelines as published by the regulator, why isn't this a national strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Fully automated trains are already planned for Scotland. On the strike stuff though, if this is really all about safety and Scotrail are simply complying with current operating guidelines as published by the regulator, why isn't this a national strike? The guidelines will be a minimum standard required and we no longer have a national operator. An industrial dispute can only be between employer and employees (especially true if the employer is doing something they don't HAVE to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Fully automated trains are already planned for Scotland. On the strike stuff though, if this is really all about safety and Scotrail are simply complying with current operating guidelines as published by the regulator, why isn't this a national strike? It isn't a national strike as there has not been a national.railway since I 1996. British Rail ceased to exist from that year. If the railways were to be re-nationalised as some advocate. Then there is every chance this would be a national strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'll rephrase the question - with most franchise operators already operating DOO trains, why aren't workers on all franchises striking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 It isn't a national strike as there has not been a national.railway since I 1996. British Rail ceased to exist from that year. If the railways were to be re-nationalised as some advocate. Then there is every chance this would be a national strike. If the railways were nationalised, one would hope that we wouldn't be at the point of even discussing a strike! Railways for the people, not for shareholders dividends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 If the railways were nationalised, one would hope that we wouldn't be at the point of even discussing a strike! Railways for the people, not for shareholders dividends. Would that not simply put them in the same bracket as other Public Sector workers like Civil Servants and Teachers? You don't see them striking, right enough. I am with you on the nationalisation bit for examples like the East Coast line to London, which was profitable in public hands yet still got sold off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Would that not simply put them in the same bracket as other Public Sector workers like Civil Servants and Teachers? You don't see them striking, right enough. I am with you on the nationalisation bit for examples like the East Coast line to London, which was profitable in public hands yet still got sold off. That is where Govt has to be responsible too. It's not about workers not being able to strike, it is a balance and conversation between management and workers to get what's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 If the railways were nationalised, one would hope that we wouldn't be at the point of even discussing a strike! Railways for the people, not for shareholders dividends. Boris old British Rail had more strikes than Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo and, Messi put together. History does not bode well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 That is where Govt has to be responsible too. It's not about workers not being able to strike, it is a balance and conversation between management and workers to get what's best. That's the problem. The current strike the two parties are not in the same room. Conversation/negotiations are being conducted through an ACAS intermediary. In this day and age that's a nonsense. Both to blame. But both more interested than blaming each other instead of resolving. Not an adult amongst them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'll rephrase the question - with most franchise operators already operating DOO trains, why aren't workers on all franchises striking? Good question. You would have to ask management and workers of all franchises individually for an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Boris old British Rail had more strikes than Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo and, Messi put together. History does not bode well here. Times have changed somewhat, John. TU's don't have the same power that they used to, rightly, or wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Times have changed somewhat, John. TU's don't have the same power that they used to, rightly, or wrongly.No they don't. Some unions have more clout than others in their industry. RMT and ASLEF being two in the rail industry.Aslef(drivers union) keeping their powder dry. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Good question. You would have to ask management and workers of all franchises individually for an answer. We're not far off that though are we. We currently have Southern, GWR, Scotrail and Northern in dispute. Possibly even TPE. The former 3 have had strikes in the last 12 months with 2 of them ongoing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 No they don't. Some unions have more clout than others in their industry. RMT and ASLEF being two in the rail industry. Aslef(drivers union) keeping their powder dry. For now. Big rumour they are the next ones out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Bumped. To remind all that Sunday 24.07.16 is a conductor's strike day on Scotrail train services. Check on Scotrail website before buying a ticket tomorrow. As it is a reduced timetable due to the strike action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Bumped. To remind all that Sunday 24.07.16 is a conductor's strike day on Scotrail train services. Check on Scotrail website before buying a ticket tomorrow. As it is a reduced timetable due to the strike action. . Bugger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Bumped. To remind all that Sunday 24.07.16 is a conductor's strike day on Scotrail train services. Check on Scotrail website before buying a ticket tomorrow. As it is a reduced timetable due to the strike action. Thanks for the reminder... Apart from next Sunday, are there any more proposed strike days do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Thanks for the reminder... Apart from next Sunday, are there any more proposed strike days do you know? Not that I know of. If it changes I will post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Looks like there is unrest at Virgin on the East Coast mainline now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Not that I know of. If it changes I will post here. Great thanks! Even if you hear of possible dates that are not confirmed yet, please let us know... As it helps with planning. Are there more talks scheduled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Looks like there is unrest at Virgin on the East Coast mainline now. That's an understatement. Ballot papers are being sent out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 That's an understatement. Ballot papers are being sent out. I know, but that's all it is at the moment. Long way to go before any strike dates can even get called if it goes that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I know, but that's all it is at the moment. Long way to go before any strike dates can even get called if it goes that way. Definitely. Not a happy place to work right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Definitely. Not a happy place to work right now. Sounds like you're involved. Solidarity from Paddington no1 Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Strike Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 http://www.thenational.scot/comment/carolyn-leckie-driver-only-trains-might-leave-15-seconds-faster-but-guards-keep-passengers-safe.20367 A good read, it's not just about opening and closing doors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Ticketing in Scottish stations is often a joke. The machines often don't work at Stations and only main stations have barriers. So you end up with ticket collectors and queues to get off the platform whilst tickets are sold. BTW I have nothing against ticket collectors, they are always pleasant, just the system that's often a joke for me. So sort the ticketing out, go to a model of fining those without tickets. Improve the quality/number of ticket machines and add a few more barriers. The guard can be the occasional watch. Get rid of the ticket collector role and train them up to guards. Driver and guard on every train. Safety up, commuter convenience up. Does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Ticketing in Scottish stations is often a joke. The machines often don't work at Stations and only main stations have barriers. So you end up with ticket collectors and queues to get off the platform whilst tickets are sold. BTW I have nothing against ticket collectors, they are always pleasant, just the system that's often a joke for me. So sort the ticketing out, go to a model of fining those without tickets. Improve the quality/number of ticket machines and add a few more barriers. The guard can be the occasional watch. Get rid of the ticket collector role and train them up to guards. Driver and guard on every train. Safety up, commuter convenience up. Does that work? I only snag is train companies don't want to pay the extra in salaries this would cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I only snag is train companies don't want to pay the extra in salaries this would cause. Spot on, but they're happy to pay a TE ?22k pa basic plus ?100+ in commission each day. Can't see the woods for the trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Spot on, but they're happy to pay a TE ?22k pa basic plus ?100+ in commission each day. Can't see the woods for the trees! Didn't realise ticket examiner's got commission too. 5% I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Didn't realise ticket examiner's got commission too. 5% I assume? It may vary from TOC to TOC. But yes, 5% at GWR where they hide round corners and sell tickets (instead of being on the trains they should be on). They can easily do ?50k+ pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I got on the train at Haymarket on Sunday Should have went from and returned to Gyle as seen no one checking tickets... ! Saved ?4.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It may vary from TOC to TOC. But yes, 5% at GWR where they hide round corners and sell tickets (instead of being on the trains they should be on). They can easily do ?50k+ pa. Supported the strikes full heartedly. But totally disagree with the earnings figures in your last two posts. Not realistic for the strike affected areas im afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Supported the strikes full heartedly. But totally disagree with the earnings figures in your last two posts. Not realistic for the strike affected areas im afraid. Supported the strikes full heartedly. But totally disagree with the earnings figures in your last two posts. Not realistic for the strike affected areas im afraid. Ticket examiners for scotrail get 2% and get no where near 50k a year Might be different down in London area as ironjambo talks about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Supported the strikes full heartedly. But totally disagree with the earnings figures in your last two posts. Not realistic for the strike affected areas im afraid.I agree. For a job with no responsibility they should be making no more than ?30k. Ticket examiner's aren't anything to do with the strike and your support isn't misplaced. They may well be on strike for the cause, but i wouldn't know as I don't know how wide the ballot was. They were certainly on strike at GWR with our fight, even if most scabbed from the 2nd round of strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaap's Sigh Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Ticket examiners for scotrail get 2% and get no where near 50k a year Might be different down in London area as ironjambo talks about They actually get 3% but earn nowhere near 50K even with commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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