The SPL - is this where we're at? (NHC)

[Charlie-Brown]

Some interesting & slightly depressing news items today that highlight the growing gulf between the SPL clubs & English football....

 

1. Richie Foran would rather stay on the transfer list at League-1 Southend as returning to Aberdeen in the SPL would mean too hefty a pay cut.

 

2. Steve Lovell set to leave Aberdeen for League-2 Bournemouth.

 

3. Barry Nicholson set to sign for either Leeds or Forest after speaking to K.McNaughton, G.Rae, C.Clark, M.Hart & R.Anderson he's set to move down South despite those players telling him they hadn't played as often as they'd like.

 

4. Russell Anderson set to sign for Plymouth to escape miserable time at Sunderland.

 

5. Zoltan Gera to snub Celtic & guaranteed Champions league football to sign for Fulham on a bosman free transfer.

 

6. Kenny Miller required to take a 1/3 pay cut from ?30K to ?20K per week if he wants to sign for Rangers....

 

7. Arnau Riera wants to quit Sunderland to play for Falkirk but doesn't know if the Bairns can afford him.

[Drylaw Hearts]

The gulf was massive the day the English Premiership was born and Sky spotted an opportunity to create something huge.

 

And its getting bigger.

[Das Root]

Too many clubs in so small a country, doesn't help that the OF rip the best out of other clubs and leave them to rot. EPL is getting that way (if not already there) with the big four but at least their 'smaller' teams are still massive and can compete more effectively against other Euro teams while ours are minnows in comparison.

 

Radical shakeup here could turn things round (ie make things more competitive) but will never happen unfortunately as the OF run football here.

 

I wonder what the 6/5 ruling will do, if fully implemented, as Arsenal and the likes would be decimated. Would it really affect the OF though, maybe not in the SPL but certainly so in Europe, as our lot at present are miles behind the rest in talent.....as are the English. Power shift back to the Italian and Spanish leagues more than likely.

[Charlie-Brown]

But these stories barely scratch Premiership level DH - what we are talking about here is the difficulty or inability of SPL clubs to attract or keep what are at best average or slightly better than average players.

[NoseLikeMahe]

The financial gulf is getting bigger... The quality one isn't IMO.

 

Footballing-wise I think the SPL is comparable to the majority of the Championship (altho the OF have the resources to compete higher). Unfortunately, financially it's comparable to the lower half of League One.

[Pants Shaton]

Our club would have a greater chance of fulfilling its potential working up through the English leagues than remaining in the stagnant backwater that is Scottish football.

 

The precedent is Cardiff and Swansea who compete in the Football League whilst Wales preserves its right to a national side. Absolutely no reason why Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen (the 4 biggest clubs in Scotland) could not do the same. Plenty excuses. No reason.

[RockyBalboa]

But these stories barely scratch Premiership level DH - what we are talking about here is the difficulty or inability of SPL clubs to attract or keep what are at best average or slightly better than average players.

 

We tried it late 90s early 00s and it ended in financial disaster for a lot of clubs so won't be gambled on again imo.

[magicTs]

Some interesting & slightly depressing news items today that highlight the growing gulf between the SPL clubs & English football....

 

1. Richie Foran would rather stay on the transfer list at League-1 Southend as returning to Aberdeen in the SPL would mean too hefty a pay cut.

 

2. Steve Lovell set to leave Aberdeen for League-2 Bournemouth.

 

3. Barry Nicholson set to sign for either Leeds or Forest after speaking to K.McNaughton, G.Rae, C.Clark, M.Hart & R.Anderson he's set to move down South despite those players telling him they hadn't played as often as they'd like.

 

4. Russell Anderson set to sign for Plymouth to escape miserable time at Sunderland.

 

5. Zoltan Gera to snub Celtic & guaranteed Champions league football to sign for Fulham on a bosman free transfer.

 

6. Kenny Miller required to take a 1/3 pay cut from ?30K to ?20K per week if he wants to sign for Rangers....

 

7. Arnau Riera wants to quit Sunderland to play for Falkirk but doesn't know if the Bairns can afford him.

 

So what you are saying is Aberdeen are skint. Given Hearts massive advantage in terms of resources, budget and facilities over the other 9 teams in 'our league' you would therefore think we should be doing far better than 8th. I wonder what the reason for not doing so is ??

[Del1812]

The financial gulf is getting bigger... The quality one isn't IMO.

 

Footballing-wise I think the SPL is comparable to the majority of the Championship (altho the OF have the resources to compete higher). Unfortunately, financially it's comparable to the lower half of League One.

 

Great point.

 

More money on wages and transfer fees doesn't necessarily mean better quality. Hearts fans of all people should know that.

[Drylaw Hearts]

But these stories barely scratch Premiership level DH - what we are talking about here is the difficulty or inability of SPL clubs to attract or keep what are at best average or slightly better than average players.

 

The money filters it's way down the League though.

 

Eg.

 

Man Utd wil buy from Spurs who will then buy from Bolton who will then but from Sheff Utd and so on.

 

The Championship also has a deal with Sky which will be worth a few quid.

[Charlie-Brown]

More money doesn't equal better players or more quality but what this does show is that the whole of the SPL including Rangers & Celtic are having difficulty in keeping players or attracting players to our league even against some very mediocre English clubs.

[Craig_]

What happened to the cash bonanza that was promised when the SPL signed the new deal with Setanta?

[Patrick Bateman]

More money doesn't equal better players or more quality

 

 

If you really believe that, you've cracked. Think we could tempt Ronaldo here for 5k a week?

[NoseLikeMahe]

Too many clubs in so small a country, doesn't help that the OF rip the best out of other clubs and leave them to rot. EPL is getting that way (if not already there) with the big four but at least their 'smaller' teams are still massive and can compete more effectively against other Euro teams while ours are minnows in comparison.

 

Radical shakeup here could turn things round (ie make things more competitive) but will never happen unfortunately as the OF run football here.

 

I wonder what the 6/5 ruling will do, if fully implemented, as Arsenal and the likes would be decimated. Would it really affect the OF though, maybe not in the SPL but certainly so in Europe, as our lot at present are miles behind the rest in talent.....as are the English. Power shift back to the Italian and Spanish leagues more than likely.

 

Agree with almost everything... As you pointed out, the problem is we have too many league clubs per head of population.

 

England. Population 50,762,900. 92 league clubs. 551,770 population per club

Scotland. Population 5,116,900. 42 league clubs. 121,831 population per club

(based on mid 2006 figures)

 

So, in order to have statistically similar pool of support to draw from, we would have to down-size the Scottish leagues to..... 9 teams.

 

The 6/5 rule wont hurt the Old Firm too much. The could actually make up ground on most of the Premiership teams.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

This assertion that there are "too many teams" is nonsense. Take Fife, where I used to live. The kingdom is the 3rd most populated area of Scotland outside of Glasgow and Edinburgh. Are people really saying that a "franchise" of Fife FC playing out of Dunfermline/Kirkcaldy would attract Dunfermline, Raith, East Fife and Cowdenbeath fans as it is. Of course it wouldn't! You can't simply get rid of history in determining sport.

 

What would be better would be to (a) stop comparing Scotland with England, which is natural to be fair and ( introduce a proper pyramid system, scrapping the nonsense of Junior and Seniors and introducing regional leagues at the lower levels.

 

One other point - Scotland may have roughly a tenth of England's population but in land mass terms the countries are a lot more equal. Therefore, a town like Inverness (population of under 50,000) is more geared to the top level of Scottish football whereas if it was in England it would probably justify a non-league side. Yet, are we suggesting Inverness isn't an appropriate venue for a "franchise" by this argument, given that it is the capital of the Highlands?

[269miles]

Some interesting & slightly depressing news items today that highlight the growing gulf between the SPL clubs & English football....

 

1. Richie Foran would rather stay on the transfer list at League-1 Southend as returning to Aberdeen in the SPL would mean too hefty a pay cut.

 

2. Steve Lovell set to leave Aberdeen for League-2 Bournemouth.

 

3. Barry Nicholson set to sign for either Leeds or Forest after speaking to K.McNaughton, G.Rae, C.Clark, M.Hart & R.Anderson he's set to move down South despite those players telling him they hadn't played as often as they'd like.

 

4. Russell Anderson set to sign for Plymouth to escape miserable time at Sunderland.

 

5. Zoltan Gera to snub Celtic & guaranteed Champions league football to sign for Fulham on a bosman free transfer.

 

6. Kenny Miller required to take a 1/3 pay cut from ?30K to ?20K per week if he wants to sign for Rangers....

 

7. Arnau Riera wants to quit Sunderland to play for Falkirk but doesn't know if the Bairns can afford him.

 

Outside of the EPL there is no money swilling about.

Championship clubs get ?1m each per season in TV money, that's all.

 

I don't think it's the gulf, per se , more that SPL clubs just aren't going to 'waste' money on expensive players in the knowledge that they can never win anything. No one could seriously argue that Southend or Bournemouth could afford bigger wages than HMFC, Hobos or Sheep (with the exception of HMFC, obviously , the other two just won't pay).

[Guest JamboRobbo]

But these stories barely scratch Premiership level DH - what we are talking about here is the difficulty or inability of SPL clubs to attract or keep what are at best average or slightly better than average players.

 

At the same time, we'd have a team in the last 16 of CL two years running, and Rangers made UEFA final.

 

And the championship is the fourth richest league in Europe, so it's hardly a shock.

[Therapist]

It shows what a bad state the SPL is in when Aberdeen - admittedly a diddy club - has made signing offers to amateur players with one even knocking them back!

[Charlie-Brown]

Looking at the squad lists of SPL teams is the relatively low number of Scots players in what are considered 'peak' years ie between 24-30, in fact under 24's and over 30's account for the majority of SPL players which suggests we are becoming part youth farm / part retirement home for footballers.

 

Also many of the 24-30 age group are non-Scots players that have come here from lower leagues, quite a few of the more senior Scots players are guys who have returned from England either because they couldn't make any impact or they couldn't settle down south & wanted home for family reasons....

 

Is this the future of the SPL - ie youngsters, over 30's & foreigners with the vast majority of decent senior Scots players age 24-30 becoming 'Anglos' ?

[John Findlay]

It shows what a bad state the SPL is in when Aberdeen - admittedly a diddy club - has made signing offers to amateur players with one even knocking them back!

 

Such a diddy club they've won the same European trophy as the mighty Chelsea.

 

 

In 20 years time certain teams across Europe will be playing in the Sky television European league.

 

 

 

 

 

John

[Martin_T]

Looking at the squad lists of SPL teams is the relatively low number of Scots players in what are considered 'peak' years ie between 24-30, in fact under 24's and over 30's account for the majority of SPL players which suggests we are becoming part youth farm / part retirement home for footballers.

 

Also many of the 24-30 age group are non-Scots players that have come here from lower leagues, quite a few of the more senior Scots players are guys who have returned from England either because they couldn't make any impact or they couldn't settle down south & wanted home for family reasons....

 

Is this the future of the SPL - ie youngsters, over 30's & foreigners with the vast majority of decent senior Scots players age 24-30 becoming 'Anglos' ?

 

 

Where does Chris Porter fit into the equation then Charlie? Top scorer in League one, wanted by several lower end Championship and top end League one clubs yet signs for...Motherwell. I think you can only look at it on a club by club basis, as has already been pointed out..virtually every player you've listed in your original post is related to Aberdeen, who have been skint for some time. It shouldn't be forgotten that even they, in the recent past were cherry picking the likes of Dean Windass and Craig Hignett from top end Championship clubs.

 

I really hope you aren't trying to spin any kind of justification for Hearts trying to sell Berra and Driver. As I have pointed out already several times on this forum, Hearts currently have the ability (thanks to Romanov) to pay wages are equivalent to the top end of the Championship, we should be getting rid of the fruits of Romanov's failed signing policy and doing all we can to keep hold of these players until they reach maturity, then perhaps consider selling when they are at peak value.

[Therapist]

Such a diddy club they've won the same European trophy as the mighty Chelsea.

 

 

In 20 years time certain teams across Europe will be playing in the Sky television European league.

 

 

 

 

 

John

 

Chelsea FC won it twice.

 

Aberdeen one it once - 25 years ago - against the worst Real Madrid side in that famous club's history.

 

Such was the lack of interest in that final - both in terms of attendance and on live tv - that it resulted in UEFA instigating a change programme that led directly to the cancellation of the tournament.

 

Chelsea FC don't sign amateur players. Chelsea FC don't get knocked back by amateur players they've targeted. Both things have happened to Aberdeen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therapist.

[John Findlay]

Chelsea FC won it twice.

 

Aberdeen one it once - 25 years ago - against the worst Real Madrid side in that famous club's history.

 

Such was the lack of interest in that final - both in terms of attendance and on live tv - that it resulted in UEFA instigating a change programme that led directly to the cancellation of the tournament.

 

Chelsea FC don't sign amateur players. Chelsea FC don't get knocked back by amateur players they've targeted. Both things have happened to Aberdeen.

 

So directly it took another 16yrs for the last European Cup winners cup final to take place.

 

 

Chelsea FC do sign amatuer players. If they didnt they wouldnt have a youth policy. Talking out your rectum as per normal.

 

Aberdeen also won a second European trophy the supercup.

 

When Chelsea won their first English championship in 1955 guess who were champions of Scotland? Yes diddy club Aberdeen.

 

Enjoy the Abromovich years. When he is gone. Chelesea supporters like yourself will be pining for the Geoff Hurst years again.

 

 

 

John

[Charlie-Brown]

Where does Chris Porter fit into the equation then Charlie? Top scorer in League one, wanted by several lower end Championship and top end League one clubs yet signs for...Motherwell. I think you can only look at it on a club by club basis, as has already been pointed out..virtually every player you've listed in your original post is related to Aberdeen, who have been skint for some time. It shouldn't be forgotten that even they, in the recent past were cherry picking the likes of Dean Windass and Craig Hignett from top end Championship clubs.

 

I really hope you aren't trying to spin any kind of justification for Hearts trying to sell Berra and Driver. As I have pointed out already several times on this forum, Hearts currently have the ability (thanks to Romanov) to pay wages are equivalent to the top end of the Championship, we should be getting rid of the fruits of Romanov's failed signing policy and doing all we can to keep hold of these players until they reach maturity, then perhaps consider selling when they are at peak value.

 

Martin the title of this thread clearly states NHC so why you think Iam talking about Hearts or Romanov would seem to be more your own paranoia or your agenda?

 

Chris Porter is an exception - nowhere did I say it was universal however there are more SPL>CCC & SPL>EPL transfers than there are CCC or EPL > SPL or even SPL > SPL ........ The OP refers to Aberdeen failing to sign a player, 2 players leaving Aberdeen, Aberdeens former captain signing for a smallish CCC team, a foreign player turning down Celtic & CL opportunity for Fulham, Rangers asking a Scotland international to take a 33% pay cut to return to the SPL and a player who wants to play in the SPL for Falkirk but doesn't think he can on financial terms........how this relates to Berra or Driver please explain?

[Charlie-Brown]

The Dundee courier is saying that Mark Kerr can leave Tannadice on a Bosman free transfer as Levein can't afford to offer him a contract also Willo Flood has returned to Cardiff as the Arabs can't afford him either.

[Guest JamboRobbo]

The english championship is the fourth richest league in the world right? It ain't just the SPL that is way behind England financially, and it's more a case of English football having a ridiculous amount of TV money than anything else e.g. SPL being poorer than normal.

[Therapist]

So directly it took another 16yrs for the last European Cup winners cup final to take place.

 

You're correct for once John. UEFA moves at a snail's pace and had to get sign off on their proposals from the member associations. However after the sham that was the Gothenburg final, UEFA's top brass stated publicly they intended to kill the tournament due to lack of interest which was having a knock-on effect on how sponsors and fans viewed their other tournaments.

 

Chelsea FC do sign amatuer players. If they didnt they wouldnt have a youth policy.

 

As usual John you deliberately twist my words in a poor attempt to score a cheap point. You know as well as I do that Chelsea FC do not sign amateur players with the intention of them going straight into their first team squad. Aberdeen do however.

 

Aberdeen also won a second European trophy the supercup.

 

That is not a proper trophy. It is nothing more than a two-leg friendly. Your attempts to score points are growing ever more laughable.

 

When Chelsea won their first English championship in 1955 guess who were champions of Scotland? Yes diddy club Aberdeen.

 

And your point is........????

 

 

Enjoy the Abromovich years. When he is gone. Chelesea supporters like yourself will be pining for the Geoff Hurst years again.

 

Whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therapist

[Charlie-Brown]

The english championship is the fourth richest league in the world right? It ain't just the SPL that is way behind England financially, and it's more a case of English football having a ridiculous amount of TV money than anything else e.g. SPL being poorer than normal.

 

Of course your right JR but the consequences of that is that most of our better SPL players seem to be leaving and very few Scottish players in their prime are staying in the SPL meaning our teams are mostly kids, veterans or foreigners.

[magicTs]

Of course your right JR but the consequences of that is that most of our better SPL players seem to be leaving and very few Scottish players in their prime are staying in the SPL meaning our teams are mostly kids, veterans or foreigners.

 

That's certainly a problem for us come a Saturday given our players in all 3 categories are crap.

[Dirk Diggler]

That's certainly a problem for us come a Saturday given our players in all 3 categories are crap.

 

I think for your 2008/09 campaign to gather momentum, You might want to spell his name correctly.

[Deek]

Too many clubs in so small a country, doesn't help

 

Radical shakeup here could turn things round (ie make things more competitive) but will never happen unfortunately as the OF run football here.

 

I agree. Scotland has a population of 5 million but we have 40 senior football clubs.

 

England has a population of 52 million with 92 clubs in their top leagues.

 

I am not sure how many clubs and leagues we should allow in this country but we do as you say need a radical shakeup.

[Jimmy McNulty]

It shows what a bad state the SPL is in when Aberdeen - admittedly a diddy club - has made signing offers to amateur players with one even knocking them back!

 

Gotta ask T - What's with the sig file and QoS -- Did I miss something?

[Therapist]

Gotta ask T - What's with the sig file and QoS -- Did I miss something?

 

It's a statement from the day before the cup final by our very own uber-handwringer and wannabe Donald Findlay. I can't mention his name as he's not posted on this thread.

 

Incidentally, re the description in the previous paragraph, there are many of the former on KB but only one of the latter. Put them together and you'll know who I'm referring to - bit like a venn diagram really, only with words. .

[MikeN]

Kenny Miller required to take a 1/3 pay cut from ?30K to ?20K per week if he wants to sign for Rangers....

 

That can't be right! How can anyone survive on a mere ?20k per week?

 

[aDONis]

Money will always talk. But Scottish clubs do have one advantage, which is easier access to europe etc. We need Scottish clubs to do better in europe, which will in turn make the SPL more attractive.

 

I think we're (SPL) about to see an upturn in fortunes. The OF are not quite as strong and more and more teams are beating them. We need one of the other clubs to put together a strong run at the start of the season and then hope that breads confidence.

 

I would guess that any one from Aberdeen, Utd, Hibs and Hearts (with a manager) could well provide this.

 

It can be done, it won't be easy, but it's nowhere near as tough to get results v the OF than as it was just a few seasons ago.

 

Yours

aDONis

[Charlie-Brown]

Money will always talk. But Scottish clubs do have one advantage, which is easier access to europe etc. We need Scottish clubs to do better in europe, which will in turn make the SPL more attractive.

 

I think we're (SPL) about to see an upturn in fortunes. The OF are not quite as strong and more and more teams are beating them. We need one of the other clubs to put together a strong run at the start of the season and then hope that breads confidence.

 

I would guess that any one from Aberdeen, Utd, Hibs and Hearts (with a manager) could well provide this.

 

It can be done, it won't be easy, but it's nowhere near as tough to get results v the OF than as it was just a few seasons ago.

 

Yours

aDONis

 

Not picking on Aberdeen aDONis but Michael Hart & Chris Clark turned their back on a glamour tie with Bayern to sign for fairly low key Championship teams - and at ours Rudi Skacel turned his back on a (brief) Champions League campaign despite promising he would stay if we qualified.

[shaun.lawson]

Chelsea FC won it twice.

 

Aberdeen one it once - 25 years ago - against the worst Real Madrid side in that famous club's history.

 

Such was the lack of interest in that final - both in terms of attendance and on live tv - that it resulted in UEFA instigating a change programme that led directly to the cancellation of the tournament.

 

Chelsea FC don't sign amateur players. Chelsea FC don't get knocked back by amateur players they've targeted. Both things have happened to Aberdeen.

 

 

 

 

Therapist.

 

LOL! I take it that you were therefore devastated at Chelsea's triumph in this diddy competition 15 years later, then? Or were you out celebrating and getting ****ed with the rest of the Blues support (after beating merely Vicenza and Stuttgart - who are not exactly Real Madrid or Bayern Munich)?

 

Oh, and as for 'worst Real Madrid side in that famous club's history': how exactly did they finish runners-up in the league by just a single point, then?

 

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[shaun.lawson]

It shows what a bad state the SPL is in when Aberdeen - admittedly a diddy club - has made signing offers to amateur players with one even knocking them back!

 

That's a diddy club that have won a European trophy, more major trophies than we have, were the first non-OF club to qualify from the UEFA Cup group stages (something we failed to do three seasons earlier), and beat the hardly diddy Rangers FC 2-0 on the final day of the season is it?

 

If they're a 'diddy club', what does that make us? And if they really were 'diddy', why are you always so delighted when they lose, and would be ecstatic if they lose their home? Wouldn't you just not care, and consider them as not worth getting bothered about?

[aDONis]

That's not really what I was getting at. We (SPL clubs) have to do well in europe regularly. Lets be honest nobody thought we would get past Bayern Munich and there was/is no expectation that Scottish teams will qualify for the Waffa group stages, let alone do well in them.

 

As for those two players in question, they got offers didn't like them so went elsewhere, that will always be the case. The opposite could be said for Zander Diamond and Lee Miller, who both had offers from down south, but stayed (but I don't think it evidence that the SPL is a bigger draw than the Championship).

 

I don't think europe will be a winning argument in all cases, but since we can't compete with the Championship on simple money terms, we must leverage what we can.

 

A wider TV deal would also be beneficial. The coverage of the SPL in England is so small, it's incredible. We need to be increasing our exposure.

 

We should (and should have been for years) be nurturing young talent, properly. Clubs should be investing much more heavily in youth set ups (maybe following the Ajax system of schooling as well as football).

 

None of this is easy, but what we've got doesn't work.

 

aDONis

[Therapist]

Not picking on Aberdeen aDONis but Michael Hart & Chris Clark turned their back on a glamour tie with Bayern to sign for fairly low key Championship teams

 

It gets better. Steve Tosh - their main midfielder at the time turned down Aberdeen to sign for........Gretna. And nowadays we have Aberdeen signing amateurs and being turned down by amateurs. But then again, Adongis like all cod heads, lives in the past.

[Therapist]

And if they really were 'diddy', why are you always so delighted when they lose, and would be ecstatic if they lose their home?

 

It's nothing to do with how diddy they are*, it's simply that I hate them with a passion, particularly their predeliction for ingratiating themselves with ra sellik.

 

 

 

 

 

* They are very diddy.

[alwaysthereinspirit]

The gulf was massive the day the English Premiership was born and Sky spotted an opportunity to create something huge.

 

And its getting bigger.

 

Wonder if Sky would ever be interested in giving the Scottish premier a tv contract.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt.

[Guest TrimmTrab]

Some interesting & slightly depressing news items today that highlight the growing gulf between the SPL clubs & English football....

 

1. Richie Foran would rather stay on the transfer list at League-1 Southend as returning to Aberdeen in the SPL would mean too hefty a pay cut.

 

2. Steve Lovell set to leave Aberdeen for League-2 Bournemouth.

 

3. Barry Nicholson set to sign for either Leeds or Forest after speaking to K.McNaughton, G.Rae, C.Clark, M.Hart & R.Anderson he's set to move down South despite those players telling him they hadn't played as often as they'd like.

 

4. Russell Anderson set to sign for Plymouth to escape miserable time at Sunderland.

 

5. Zoltan Gera to snub Celtic & guaranteed Champions league football to sign for Fulham on a bosman free transfer.

 

6. Kenny Miller required to take a 1/3 pay cut from ?30K to ?20K per week if he wants to sign for Rangers....

 

7. Arnau Riera wants to quit Sunderland to play for Falkirk but doesn't know if the Bairns can afford him.

 

 

1] Richie Foran isnt worth what hes wanting hence he wont get signed - also the rumour is Aberdeen have someone far better for less lined up.

 

2]Lovell was a failure at Aberdeen and was never offered a new contract.

 

3]Barry Nic wants something new - nothing to do with cash - his words. Sees this as his last chance to do something and wants a top Championship side so obviously thinks EPL - his agent must have brainwashed him.

 

4] Anderson never got a proper chance for Sunderland. I dont think hes EPL standard but he is better than a few of the defenders that played for Sunderland this season. His face doesnt fit.

 

Frankley you pessimistic SPL picture is way off the mark.

 

As for the Therapist - your one of the Cent and Boom crew off Hearts-mad. No wonder you post on here instead these days after the humiliation us and the Hibs lads have dished you racist bigots out over the last while. You hate Aberdeen far more than you like Hearts. I feel sorry for Hearts fans having people like you posting bile in their name on the internet.

[aDONis]

IMHO we should be giving the rights away to the BBC or ITV in exchange for reasonable slots both at home and and England.

 

There is absolutely no interest in the Scottish game outside our own back gardens.

 

We are all far too short sighted.

 

aDONis

[Therapist]

1] Richie Foran isnt worth what hes wanting hence he wont get signed - also the rumour is Aberdeen have someone far better for less lined up.

 

2]Lovell was a failure at Aberdeen and was never offered a new contract.

 

3]Barry Nic wants something new - nothing to do with cash - his words. Sees this as his last chance to do something and wants a top Championship side so obviously thinks EPL - his agent must have brainwashed him.

 

4] Anderson never got a proper chance for Sunderland. I dont think hes EPL standard but he is better than a few of the defenders that played for Sunderland this season. His face doesnt fit.

 

Frankley you pessimistic SPL picture is way off the mark.

 

As for the Therapist - your one of the Cent and Boom crew off Hearts-mad. No wonder you post on here instead these days after the humiliation us and the Hibs lads have dished you racist bigots out over the last while. You hate Aberdeen far more than you like Hearts. I feel sorry for Hearts fans having people like you posting bile in their name on the internet.

 

Great wannabe ASC username. Watch out for 14year olds with "flames".

[Therapist]

IMHO we should be giving the rights away to the BBC or ITV in exchange for reasonable slots both at home and and England.

 

There is absolutely no interest in the Scottish game outside our own back gardens.

 

We are all far too short sighted.

 

aDONis

 

Dong, you're a sensible chap. Do you honsetly think people/broadcasters will pay to watch the SPL when there's La Liga, Serie A, EPL, etc? Face it, the SPL can't give their product away.

[S.N.T.H.]

**** Aberdeen.

 

'Stand Free', nobody cares you cod-headed, mutton molesting, sister-bumming chuchter.

[Therapist]

**** Aberdeen.

 

'Stand Free', nobody cares you cod-headed, mutton molesting, sister-bumming chuchter.

 

 

They "stand free" unless it's shoulder to shoulder with their green-and-grey-hooped heroes.

[S.N.T.H.]

They "stand free" unless it's shoulder to shoulder with their green-and-grey-hooped heroes.

 

To be fair, i've never seen any allegience between Aberdull and the Tims?

 

I may well be naive though.

[Therapist]

To be fair, i've never seen any allegience between Aberdull and the Tims?

 

1. Their constant "we hate Rangers more than you" chants.

 

2. Their Jock Stein memorial/tribute banner. Sycophancy at its worst.