oh ah grantona Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Any info Expected a few 1st team players to maybe get a run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Any info Expected a few 1st team players to maybe get a run Game is 7.30pm Stenhousemuir Team news on @Jamtarts from 6.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Also play Falkirk this week March 31 Thu 2pm at Falkirk Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylelauren01 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Lump on Hamilton - no Liam Smith, Angus Beith, McGhee, Dario Zanatta, Daniel Baur, etc - can see it being a very young/inexperienced Hearts team tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Robbo Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Nice night for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Team: Mason Hamilton Reid Henderson Jones McKirdy Morrison Cochrane Roy Buchanan I Smith Subs: Fisher McLean Baxter Howlett-Mundle K Smith Polsen Gillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledfan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 This could be a bit of a tanking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hamilton Marshall Reilly Quitongo Want McMann Ferguson Cunningham Redmond Tierney Boyd Kelly Subs McCracken O'Halloran Smith Henry Connelly Scullion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Delta Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Can get 4/5 on Hamilton to win. Anybody know if they're any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Team: Mason Hamilton Reid Henderson Jones McKirdy Morrison Cochrane Roy Buchanan I Smith Subs: Fisher McLean Baxter Howlett-Mundle K Smith Polsen Gillan Thought we were playing with 2 goalies for a sec there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I assume talk of Sean M leaving was untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I assume talk of Sean M leaving was untrue? Him leaving is in regards to his contract not being renewed so he will be here till the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Him leaving is in regards to his contract not being renewed so he will be here till the end of the season.Ahh ok. Any others we know that are in the same boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylelauren01 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hamilton is Chrissy Hamilton who is 15! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylelauren01 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ahh ok. Any others we know that are in the same boat? Henderson and Howlett-Mundle are rumoured to be gone at end of season as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 It's asking a lot to have two U15s and an U16 in the starting line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hamilton is Chrissy Hamilton who is 15! He won't be 15 until July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 It's asking a lot to have two U15s and an U16 in the starting line up. I know it's out of necessity FF but I think it's a good thing - As long as they are allowed to play with no pressure on them. If they play well it will give them belief and confidence. If they struggle it needs to be said to them that it was a good opportunity for them and was a learning experience to take things away from and work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I know it's out of necessity FF but I think it's a good thing - As long as they are allowed to play with no pressure on them. If they play well it will give them belief and confidence. If they struggle it needs to be said to them that it was a good opportunity for them and was a learning experience to take things away from and work on. I'm not worried about the youngsters as they are among the best prospects at the Academy and Scotland caps too. However physically it is still a lot to ask to make up a 4/5 year age difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm not worried about the youngsters as they are among the best prospects at the Academy and Scotland caps too. However physically it is still a lot to ask to make up a 4/5 year age difference. . Yeah I agree but the result shouldn't matter and I would hope the coaching staff would make clear to them there is no pressure on them for reason XY&Z. It will also show them how hard they need to work to get that physicality - it will give them something to work towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledfan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 is there anyone at the game tonight ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Delta Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Live updates from Hamilton's Twitter feed (@acciesfc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 http://www.bet365.com/home/FlashGen4/WebConsoleApp.asp?rn=82084155113&stf=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 https://www.skybet.com/football/football-live/event/19098462 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledfan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1-0 Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Robbo Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 H-T 0-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 The game has gone much as I expected. Hamilton have the edge physically but the youngsters are doing ok. Ally Roy missed a great one on one chance before they scored in what was the best chance from either side. Ian Smith took a sore one and was subbed. He was on crutches at half time making his way back to the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I don't see the point of playing a 14 year old in an under 20 game. I think a 16 year old would struggle in an under 20 game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 0-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I don't see the point of playing a 14 year old in an under 20 game. I think a 16 year old would struggle in an under 20 game! Playing against and with people older than you can be very beneficial. I trained with a senior over 35 side a few times around the age of 14-16 and it was a brilliant learning experience. During games I quickly learned that intelligence counts on a football pitch. Without that your lost. I also learned that despite being a fit young farmer who didn't get overpowered by his own age group I still had a way to go before matching the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Delta Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2-0 Hamilton "60' Goal Accies 2-0 at Hearts and it's a superb direct free kick from @stevenboyd1997 22 yards out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 0-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Delta Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 4-0. Glad I got on Hamilton (-1) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 0-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Playing against and with people older than you can be very beneficial. I trained with a senior over 35 side a few times around the age of 14-16 and it was a brilliant learning experience. During games I quickly learned that intelligence counts on a football pitch. Without that your lost. I also learned that despite being a fit young farmer who didn't get overpowered by his own age group I still had a way to go before matching the big boys. You would have had an advantage over an over 35s team as there legs have gone (believe me I know). Under 20s football is very physical and at 14 you would be doing well to match 16 year olds let alone 20 year olds. You don't see Boxers getting chucked in at the deep end. They carefully build them up with easy fights to start off then they get harder and harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 You would have had an advantage over an over 35s team as there legs have gone (believe me I know). Under 20s football is very physical and at 14 you would be doing well to match 16 year olds let alone 20 year olds. You don't see Boxers getting chucked in at the deep end. They carefully build them up with easy fights to start off then they get harder and harder. I agree although some of them were still fit young men barely over 35-37 who would cycle etc in their extra time because the league they were in was tough none of them carried much extra weight. They took it seriously. I was just speaking on an experience basis. They were smart, even if I was quicker than them they could anticipate quicker than me. As Johan said. ?What is speed? The sports press often confuses speed with insight. See, if I start running slightly earlier than someone else, I seem faster.? Playing against U20s at 14 could teach you a lot about the importance of insight and reading the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not sure anyone will take anything from tonights match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree although some of them were still fit young men barely over 35-37 who would cycle etc in their extra time because the league they were in was tough none of them carried much extra weight. They took it seriously. I was just speaking on an experience basis. They were smart, even if I was quicker than them they could anticipate quicker than me. As Johan said. ?What is speed? The sports press often confuses speed with insight. See, if I start running slightly earlier than someone else, I seem faster.? Playing against U20s at 14 could teach you a lot about the importance of insight and reading the game. I know what you are saying but IMO it's to much of a jump for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidkeye Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree although some of them were still fit young men barely over 35-37 who would cycle etc in their extra time because the league they were in was tough none of them carried much extra weight. They took it seriously. I was just speaking on an experience basis. They were smart, even if I was quicker than them they could anticipate quicker than me. As Johan said. ?What is speed? The sports press often confuses speed with insight. See, if I start running slightly earlier than someone else, I seem faster.? Playing against U20s at 14 could teach you a lot about the importance of insight and reading the game. Disagree in part with your last point...our younger players say (16-19) would learn a lot more from playing with experienced pro's in the lower leagues rather than the kick and rush that the u20 league is. The u20 league is kids fighting for a contract and is far too 100mph and physical to aid technical development imo. I'd sacrifice the u20 league (finish bottom if need be) to put as many as possible out on loan to see if they can cut it for six months and make an impact at league1 or league 2 level as opposed to playing against mainly u20's kids every week in the development league. I personally think a lot of the technically better players actually feel they are getting little benefit playing in the development league. Personally think you can see this in the frustrated body language of the technically better players at all the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Disagree in part with your last point...our younger players say (16-19) would learn a lot more from playing with experienced pro's in the lower leagues rather than the kick and rush that the u20 league is. The u20 league is kids fighting for a contract and is far too 100mph and physical to aid technical development imo. I'd sacrifice the u20 league (finish bottom if need be) to put as many as possible out on loan to see if they can cut it for six months and make an impact at league1 or league 2 level as opposed to playing against mainly u20's kids every week in the development league. I personally think a lot of the technically better players actually feel they are getting little benefit playing in the development league. Personally think you can see this in the frustrated body language of the technically better players at all the clubs. I think we should have reserve league football instead of development league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I could repeat my post from half time as to how the second half went with more of the same. Their second goal was a peach of a free kick and after that is was just a question of how many. Despite everybody working hard, Hamilton were stronger, and technically better in the midfield area. Some criticised me saying that without Angus Beith in midfield we lack creativity of someone to see and make the forward pass. That was again self evident tonight as we chipped balls forward to Ally Roy throughout. Our best attacking option was from crosses from the right (Morrison and Hamilton), which created a couple of good heading opportunities for Henderson and Jones, but both were a bit unlucky in missing the target,. Hearts best were Morrison and my MOTM Liam Henderson. The improvement in Liam's game since the turn of the year is quite marked, much stronger and competitive. It's a pity that his improvement may have come a little too late to get him a new contract. Because of his age (20 this year), and if the Development league is to be replaced by a reserve league next season, I'd be tempted to take a gamble on him for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hearts are next in action on Thursday afternoon away to Falkirk at the Falkirk Stadium. Kick off is at 2pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurejambo1 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Was always going to be a difficult game with Smith, Beith, Zanatta and Baur missing. Any side would find it hard to cope with four regulars missing. Could be a difficult few games coming up. It's good for young players to get a taste of 20s but can be a bit demoralising if you gave to put to many in at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not sure anyone will take anything from tonights match. I took a few pounds from the bookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C67 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Was always going to be a difficult game with Smith, Beith, Zanatta and Baur missing. Any side would find it hard to cope with four regulars missing. Could be a difficult few games coming up. It's good for young players to get a taste of 20s but can be a bit demoralising if you gave to put to many in at one time.as proven tonite imo i think a better starting line up of Mason GK defence of Morrison, Howlett-Mundel, Jones, Henderson, midfield of Hamilton, I-Smith, McKirdy, Buchanan with a front 2 of Roy and McLean would have been a stronger and better option especially against an Accies team who are one of the most experienced teams in development league to put in to many youngsters was a step to far but still a good experience for the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Personally I always think you learn more in defeat than victory. Not fussed what age some of the guys who played last night. All good experience for them in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglojambo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I could repeat my post from half time as to how the second half went with more of the same. Their second goal was a peach of a free kick and after that is was just a question of how many. Despite everybody working hard, Hamilton were stronger, and technically better in the midfield area. Some criticised me saying that without Angus Beith in midfield we lack creativity of someone to see and make the forward pass. That was again self evident tonight as we chipped balls forward to Ally Roy throughout. Our best attacking option was from crosses from the right (Morrison and Hamilton), which created a couple of good heading opportunities for Henderson and Jones, but both were a bit unlucky in missing the target,. Hearts best were Morrison and my MOTM Liam Henderson. The improvement in Liam's game since the turn of the year is quite marked, much stronger and competitive. It's a pity that his improvement may have come a little too late to get him a new contract. Because of his age (20 this year), and if the Development league is to be replaced by a reserve league next season, I'd be tempted to take a gamble on him for another year. I wasn't at the HA game so it was interesting to read your comments. Couldn't agree more about Liam Henderson. He has been superb in most games that I've seen. I would be surprised if he was let go. Not sure what the state of play is contractually. Your comments about Angus Beith are in line with what I would expect too. He is pivotal to the U20s and looks head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of his development. You can just see that he is ready to step up as Liam Smith did. Lets hope the U20s can bounce back with a better performance and result against Falkirk tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledfan Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 FF have you heard about any more developments regarding a reserve league ? If it does come off will it mean that there is a new option to offer contracts for the reserve league instead of First Team ala Hendersons contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 FF have you heard about any more developments regarding a reserve league ? If it does come off will it mean that there is a new option to offer contracts for the reserve league instead of First Team ala Hendersons contract. Nothing official, but my understanding is that both McClair and Strachan want change. Whether or not that means that a reserve league (with an minimum no of U21s) replaces the development league (with a maximum of over 20s) remains to be determined. A reserve league would allow some of the guys like LH more time, as he would not be eligible to play in the development league except as an overage player, which would limit his opportunities, unless of course he went out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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