What is the most times you think the same XI started for Hearts?

[Hearts Heritage]

Been working out the Starting XIs for all 5000+ Hearts competitive games.

 

So what do you think the most times the same XI has started for Hearts?

 

I'll post the answer tomorrow.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

Most times in a season?

 

9

[Hearts Heritage]

Sub question

 

 

How many different starting XIs in 78 games has Robbie fielded?

[Hearts Heritage]

Most times in a season?

 

9

 

A slightly Different Question but the answer is the same.

[19/5HMFC12]

I heard a stat on sport sound that said that out of 48 games this season Celtic have started 47 different line ups.(it might be 48 in 49, not sure). That seemed quite shocking. What's our stat this season? Anywhere close?

[Hearts Heritage]

I heard a stat on sport sound that said that out of 48 games this season Celtic have started 47 different line ups.(it might be 48 in 49, not sure). That seemed quite shocking. What's our stat this season? Anywhere close?

 

36 in 37

[Hearts Heritage]

The 36 different Starting XIs this season

 

NB players ordered alphabetically

 

Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Cowie Don; Dauda Abiola; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Walker Jamie; Zanatta Dario;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Dauda Abiola; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; Gomis Morgaro; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; King Billy; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; King Billy; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; <-- Only team started twice
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Pallardo Miguel; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Swanson Danny;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Ozturk Alim; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Djoum Arnaud; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Djoum Arnaud; King Billy; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Djoum Arnaud; King Billy; Ozturk Alim; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Djoum Arnaud; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Buaben Prince; Gomis Morgaro; King Billy; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Swanson Danny;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Cowie Don; Dauda Abiola; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; Kitchen Perry; McGhee Jordan; Smith Liam; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Cowie Don; Dauda Abiola; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Swanson Danny;
Alexander Neil; Augustyn Blazej; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Cowie Don; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Smith Liam; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Cowie Don; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Rossi Igor Branco; Smith Liam; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Dauda Abiola; Djoum Arnaud; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Dauda Abiola; Djoum Arnaud; Nicholson Sam; Ozturk Alim; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Smith Liam; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Swanson Danny;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; King Billy; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; Gomis Morgaro; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Walker Jamie;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Delgado Juanma; McKirdy Sean; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman; Swanson Danny;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Gomis Morgaro; King Billy; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Buaben Prince; Gomis Morgaro; King Billy; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Sow Osman;
Alexander Neil; Cowie Don; Delgado Juanma; Djoum Arnaud; McGhee Jordan; Nicholson Sam; Oshaniwa Juwon; Pallardo Miguel; Paterson Callum; Souttar John; Walker Jamie;
Gomis Morgaro; Hamilton Jack; King Billy; McGhee Jordan; McHattie Kevin; McKirdy Sean; Nicholson Sam; Oliver Gary; Ozturk Alim; Paterson Callum; Sow Osman;
Gomis Morgaro; Hamilton Jack; King Billy; McGhee Jordan; McHattie Kevin; McKirdy Sean; Nicholson Sam; Oliver Gary; Reilly Gavin; Rossi Igor Branco; Smith Liam;

[William H. Bonney]

Sub question

 

 

How many different starting XIs in 78 games has Robbie fielded?

Total guess. 53.

[Hearts Heritage]

Total guess. 53.

 

Add 23 to it.

[King prawn]

Sub question

 

 

How many different starting XIs in 78 games has Robbie fielded?

51

 

Complete stab in the dark

[King prawn]

Add 23 to it.

Now I wish I'd waited 30 seconds!

[Bazzas right boot]

3

[queensferryjambo]

Does the same starting 11 cross over seasons at all?

 

I would go for 22 as a guess. 

[Buffalo Bill]

In modern times, I would imagine the team of 85/86 was pretty consistent in its selection but for maybe Iain Jardine/Kenny Black maybe swapping in an out of the team.

 

 

Smith, Kidd, Whittaker, Jardine, Levein, Berry, Mackay, Black/Jardine, Colquhoun, Clark, Robertson

[soonbe110]

Been working out the Starting XIs for all 5000+ Hearts competitive games.

 

So what do you think the most times the same XI has started for Hearts?

 

I'll post the answer tomorrow.

Probably low teens. Only had 14 or 15 players on the books at beginning of last century leading up to WW1.

[Hearts Heritage]

In modern times, I would imagine the team of 85/86 was pretty consistent in its selection but for maybe Iain Jardine/Kenny Black maybe swapping in an out of the team.

 

 

Smith, Kidd, Whittaker, Jardine, Levein, Berry, Mackay, Black/Jardine, Colquhoun, Clark, Robertson

 

3 most used Starting XIs that season

 

Berry Neil; Black Kenny; Clark Sandy; Colquhoun John; Jardine Iain; Jardine Sandy; Kidd Walter; Levein Craig; Mackay Gary; Robertson John; Smith Henry; 11

Berry Neil; Black Kenny; Clark Sandy; Colquhoun John; Jardine Sandy; Kidd Walter; Levein Craig; Mackay Gary; Robertson John; Smith Henry; Whittaker Brian; 8

Berry Neil; Clark Sandy; Colquhoun John; Jardine Iain; Jardine Sandy; Kidd Walter; Levein Craig; Mackay Gary; Robertson John; Smith Henry; Whittaker Brian; 7

[benny]

In modern times, I would imagine the team of 85/86 was pretty consistent in its selection but for maybe Iain Jardine/Kenny Black maybe swapping in an out of the team.

 

 

Smith, Kidd, Whittaker, Jardine, Levein, Berry, Mackay, Black/Jardine, Colquhoun, Clark, Robertson

Thought of that era myself.

Black/Jardine

Cowie right back,Roddy centre half and Black could play left back if required would be the main changes.

[Diego10]

The 1991/92 starting team was barely changed all season.

[queensferryjambo]

Does the same starting 11 cross over seasons at all?

 

Outside of the same starting 11 going from one season into another does it include friendlies or non competitive games?

[Hearts Heritage]

The 1991/92 starting team was barely changed all season.

 

27 different Starting XIs out of 53 games

 

1991-92 Diff XIs=27 G=53 Ratio=0.509

[sunblestjambo]

Back in the days when hibs won Scottish cups I reckon players only got dropped if they had leprosy or aids. I'll go for 24 circa 1900

[Hearts Heritage]

Outside of the same starting 11 going from one season into another does it include friendlies or non competitive games?

 

Only included competitive games

[Captain Bubblebeard]

40

[August Landmesser]

Sub question

 

 

How many different starting XIs in 78 games has Robbie fielded?

75?

 

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[AlimOzturk]

I'll go for 125

[Hearts Heritage]

The answer is 20

 

Between

Sep 11 1954 and Mar 26 1955

 

1    Duff Willie
2    Parker Bobby
3    MacKenzie Tom
4    Mackay Dave
5    Glidden Freddie
6    Cumming John
7    Souness Jim
8    Conn Snr Alfie
9    Bauld Willie
10    Wardhaugh Jimmy
11    Urquhart John

 

The answer may seem 'low' but thinking about it

 

Most seasons players left and were brought in

Injuries meant minor changes

[Hearts Heritage]

Since 1997

There has only been 1 XI that has started more than or equal to 5 times

 

This 11 played 6 times

 

Nov  7 2010 to Dec 18 2010

1    Kello Marian
2    Jonsson Eggert
3    Palazuelos Ruben
4    Bouzid Ismael Mickael
5    Mrowiec Adrian
6    Zaliukas Marius
7    Templeton David
8    Black Ian
9    Kyle Kevin
10    Elliott Stephen
11    Skacel Rud

[Hearts Heritage]

And Robbie has fielded 76 different starting XIs in 78 games.

[Randle P McMurphy]

The answer is 20

 

Between

Sep 11 1954 and Mar 26 1955

 

1 Duff Willie

2 Parker Bobby

3 MacKenzie Tom

4 Mackay Dave

5 Glidden Freddie

6 Cumming John

7 Souness Jim

8 Conn Snr Alfie

9 Bauld Willie

10 Wardhaugh Jimmy

11 Urquhart John

 

The answer may seem 'low' but thinking about it

 

Most seasons players left and were brought in

Injuries meant minor changes

Not that I was privileged enough to see them but that seems like an 11 you would want to stick with!

[Debut 4]

20 is quite high really.

 

In those days changes were forced rather than of choice.

 

I think even supporters expect change too often these days rather than having patience and letting players get into gear.

 

Squad game mentality has taken over rather than forging a strongest 11.

[karipidis]

The 1991/92 starting team was barely changed all season.

Smith

McLaren McPherson Levein McKinley

Millar Ferguson Mackay

Robbo Baird Crabbe

 

That is the team I remember

[Jambof3tornado]

And Robbie has fielded 76 different starting XIs in 78 games.

That'll be why the team has a settled feel to it. Lol.

 

Tinkerman tag may well be apt.

[Hearts Heritage]

That'll be why the team has a settled feel to it. Lol.

 

Tinkerman tag may well be apt.

 

5 seasons in last 11 have similar ratios

 

2005-06 Diff XIs=36 G=45 Ratio=0.800

2006-07 Diff XIs=47 G=48 Ratio=0.979

2007-08 Diff XIs=42 G=44 Ratio=0.955

2008-09 Diff XIs=38 G=41 Ratio=0.927

2009-10 Diff XIs=43 G=44 Ratio=0.977

2010-11 Diff XIs=34 G=41 Ratio=0.829

2011-12 Diff XIs=45 G=50 Ratio=0.900

2012-13 Diff XIs=33 G=45 Ratio=0.733

2013-14 Diff XIs=30 G=43 Ratio=0.698 <-- No signings

2014-15 Diff XIs=40 G=41 Ratio=0.976

2015-16 Diff XIs=36 G=37 Ratio=0.973

[Joe Hearts]

And Robbie has fielded 76 different starting XIs in 78 games.

That'll be why the team has a settled feel to it. Lol.

Tinkerman tag may well be apt.

Have to agree, doesn't help with player understanding etc.

[Hearts Heritage]

Smith

McLaren McPherson Levein McKinley

Millar Ferguson Mackay

Robbo Baird Crabbe

 

That is the team I remember

 

Spot on started 13 times

 

1    Smith Henry

2    McLaren Alan

3    McKinlay Tosh

4    Levein Craig

5    Mackay Gary

6    McPherson Dave

7    Crabbe Scott

8    Ferguson Derek

9    Baird Ian

10    Millar John

11    Robertson John

[Guess The Crowd]

Spot on started 13 times

 

1    Smith Henry

2    McLaren Alan

3    McKinlay Tosh

4    Levein Craig

5    Mackay Gary

6    McPherson Dave

7    Crabbe Scott

8    Ferguson Derek

9    Baird Ian

10    Millar John

11    Robertson John

George Wright often featured in midfield. Would there be another team with him (instead of Ferguson?) that featured a few times?

[scott herbertson]

The 1967-8 team was pretty settled

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

You are always going to get injuries, suspensions and players close to a ban being held back for bigger games so changes are part and parcel of the game. However, we seem to tinker around far too much and unlike teams that brought success in the past which more or less picked themselves starting a different formation each week means we are often misjointed. We need to find the strongest team and give it time to gel properly.

[Guess The Crowd]

Also, from memory, the team that played in the 1997/98 final seemed fairly settled (though Naismith had displaced Pointon only in the latter part of the season)

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

The 85/86 team more or less started the same with Roddie MacDonald and Iain Jardine the only players to step in when required as far as I remember. Rightly or wrongly players seemed more willing to play with minor knocks back then to keep the continuity going !

[john brownlee]

SFA thugs and cards have had a lot to do with teams selection rather than rotation by RN

 

 

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[Simmo]

The answer is 20

 

Between

Sep 11 1954 and Mar 26 1955

 

1    Duff Willie

2    Parker Bobby

3    MacKenzie Tom

4    Mackay Dave

5    Glidden Freddie

6    Cumming John

7    Souness Jim

8    Conn Snr Alfie

9    Bauld Willie

10    Wardhaugh Jimmy

11    Urquhart John

 

The answer may seem 'low' but thinking about it

 

Most seasons players left and were brought in

Injuries meant minor changes

That's the team I watched in my early days as a student in Edinburgh.  In my opinion the best Hearts team ever !!!!!! A real joy to behold and scoring goals for fun.

 

Is big Freddie the only survivor from that team, Davie?

[Diego10]

27 different Starting XIs out of 53 games

 

1991-92 Diff XIs=27 G=53 Ratio=0.509

I'll guess there were a very small number of changes each time though. We had 5 or 6 players who played 40 plus games.

 

Baird missed quite a few through suspensions

[Nookie Bear]

SFA thugs and cards have had a lot to do with teams selection rather than rotation by RN

 

 

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Injuries ahead of SFA and thugs

 

And the fact RN over thinks it.

[Nookie Bear]

You are always going to get injuries, suspensions and players close to a ban being held back for bigger games so changes are part and parcel of the game. However, we seem to tinker around far too much and unlike teams that brought success in the past which more or less picked themselves starting a different formation each week means we are often misjointed. We need to find the strongest team and give it time to gel properly.

Yep, look at Leicester. Been lucky with injuries but well balanced and a consistent selection.

[Drewboy]

36 in 37

I heard the stats for Celtic on Sportsound too, genuinely surprised at it. Not so surprised at our stats, mainly cos Neilson like most managers will adjust/tinker with the team depending on various factors. I would expect most sides to change slightly for home or away. Anyone got the stats for other sides, particularly the likes of Aberdeen/Ross County/Dundee/Dundee Utd?

 

 

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[Jambof3tornado]

Injuries ahead of SFA and thugs

 

And the fact RN over thinks it.

Correct. We have made changes for the sake of it in Robbie's tenure.

 

Reilly playing well then dropped etc etc.

[jambos are go!]

This thread is similar to Celtic Fans about Ronnie Deilia. Same 11 only started twice all season in 53 games so far. Seems fashionable.

[john brownlee]

Injuries ahead of SFA and thugs

 

And the fact RN over thinks it.

do they injure themselves, no they get clobbered and of course the last part is your opinion.

We have evidence that players are dropped because of injury/suspension, whereas what do you have that it's RN over thinks it.

 

 

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[Allowayjambo1874]

The answer is 20

 

Between

Sep 11 1954 and Mar 26 1955

 

1    Duff Willie

2    Parker Bobby

3    MacKenzie Tom

4    Mackay Dave

5    Glidden Freddie

6    Cumming John

7    Souness Jim

8    Conn Snr Alfie

9    Bauld Willie

10    Wardhaugh Jimmy

11    Urquhart John

 

The answer may seem 'low' but thinking about it

 

Most seasons players left and were brought in

Injuries meant minor changes

So during the period when we had our most settled formation we won the League Cup, beat Hibs 5-1 in league and 5-0 in Scottish Cup and also during this period won away friendlies at Easter Rd, Newcastle & Leeds. 

 

A lesson from history??