Deevers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Is that right? I thought that Nish got booked for the sardonic clapping towards the ref ... but he then couldn't be booked for the dissent in not coming back to the ref to receive the caution? But if Nish was booked for the foul/persistent can he not get booked for language/dissent and then be sent off as it is all the same incident? Those of us of a certain age will remember a game against St Mirren where Kenny McDowell cynically fouled a Hearts player and got booked by the referee George Smith. McDowell then sarcastically clapped in the direction of smith who called him back and gave him a second yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He wasn't overly bad but he should have sent off the boy for the 2 footer on El Hass. Had he sent off Pish, he could have caused the atmosphere of the game to change. Similarly, I don't think a booking was needed at the pen. It wasn't a goal scoring opportunity (ball away from goal at pace) and it was a very fast incident so the defender didn't really know much about it. rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 If you say so but I really feel he should have sent off the guy for a two footer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Those of us of a certain age will remember a game against St Mirren where Kenny McDowell cynically fouled a Hearts player and got booked by the referee George Smith. McDowell then sarcastically clapped in the direction of smith who called him back and gave him a second yellow. Those of us who aren't of that certain age will also remember Roberto Bisconti of Aberdeen rushing into a tackle that was to merit a yellow card, only to run his mouth at the referee and also get sent packing! Edit: it was for kicking the ball against the advertising hoardings, but still both cards were within seconds. He lost it! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/1753067.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 there were a few that the ref missed that will result in him being marked down. The two most obviously likely to get him marked down though will be firstly a clearly 'reckless' challenge for our pen. Reckless being the key word that earns a caution and secondly the Prince for booting the corner flag. That's a technical offence like taking your top off or running into the fans and thus an automatic caution. That he missed both, will lose him a full point in his assessment. The other stuff with Nish not coming over etc, wont have any real impact as he did caution him there and its not possible to issue 2 cautions at the same time (ie a red) as the most serious offence is punished. There is no totting up of yellows during the same incident. There was a case for a couple being cautioned for persistently infringing the laws of the game, but they are a bit arbitrary and down to the interpretation of the ref. Also, he was a bit soft on some of their challenges, but was consistent in trying to allow the game to flow, as he is directed to do so by the sfa where possible. Unfortunately most of the 'letting the game flow' decisions were where we all expected a free kick to the hearts! thus a bit of discontent in the stands :-) None of his decisions in relation to tackles are what the SFA term 'game changers' so other than the el hass one probably wont even be mentioned. The El Hass hack, was an opinion the ref gave that the challenge was not unlawful and thus probably wont get him marked down. IMHO the ref was wrong and the challenge was dangerous and definitely warranted a card. What one is debatable. It was one of those 'orange' card challenges. Seen worse performances to be honest and a whole lot better! Is that right about the same incident? Seems a bizarre rule. Once against Aberdeen they had a guy Bisconti (their best player by a mile) who got shown two yellows in a row then a red. Commuted a foul, free kick was given, in anger at the free kick he booted the ball away. Ref then produced two yellows and a red. Much like Nish, who persistently fouled, then dissented, which could easily have merited two yellows at the same time. Sorry Strachsuit, should really learn to read all the way to the end of the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poggs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Is that right about the same incident? Seems a bizarre rule. Once against Aberdeen they had a guy Bisconti (their best player by a mile) who got shown two yellows in a row then a red. Commuted a foul, free kick was given, in anger at the free kick he booted the ball away. Ref then produced two yellows and a red. Much like Nish, who persistently fouled, then dissented, which could easily have merited two yellows at the same time. Sorry Strachsuit, should really learn to read all the way to the end of the thread! Yes it's right. See http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=3598 And the part half way Down about punishing the more serious offence when two offences a committed at the same time part. FIFA has also instructed that the same time is defined as before a card is shown. So for nish for example to have been sent off, he would have needed to have been shown the yellow card and then refused to come over or whatever and thus gain another. That's not what happened yesterday, thus the whole shebang with Nash was one incident with three cautionable offences in it, but as per the rules, only the most serious offence was punished, and therefor, one yellow card shown. It's amazing the information that can be found on the web :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Yes it's right. See http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=3598 And the part half way Down about punishing the more serious offence when two offences a committed at the same time part. FIFA has also instructed that the same time is defined as before a card is shown. So for nish for example to have been sent off, he would have needed to have been shown the yellow card and then refused to come over or whatever and thus gain another. That's not what happened yesterday, thus the whole shebang with Nash was one incident with three cautionable offences in it, but as per the rules, only the most serious offence was punished, and therefor, one yellow card shown. It's amazing the information that can be found on the web :-) Cheers, fair enough then. Although whether the ref actually knew that or simply lacked a pair of balls is another question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He set the tone early by only talking to Van Zanten for deliberate handball. That's three bookings in two games against us the slow Hibs chunt should have had and he's had one. I think the lack of second yellow at their place remains the worst decision I've seen this season, although yesterday's ref did have a few bafflers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG ECK Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He was Championship quality with no chance of promotion!! Think your wrong as this referee is so poor he could be our top ref within 2 years judging by sfa standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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