PeterCapital Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Has anyone ever come across any decent systems for this? I really dont think there is any but trying to work out ways people win. Having used martigale, I find it doesnt really work, especially in bookies, where the only number you dont cover seems to always come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 martingale is probably the closest to a winning system in theory but it just doesn't work in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Have done it myself when in Melbourne working. We used speed roulette for it. I never knew it had a name though !! Me and my mates put the cash in together and did very nicely for a good while. One of my mates who never actually came to the casino decided to come along for a try. He was sure he would be the person that actually got the 9 wrong in a row (I think). Guess what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Not having a dig, but it amazes me that people still believe there's some magical mathematical formula out there that will allow people to beat the casino. Roulette's been around for centuries- do you not think if a winning system existed somebody would have found it by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Copy all the previous numbers should see you break even or lose less than any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 There is no system, it is purely down to luck I have seen people in the bookies build up ppretty substantial banks by covering lots of diffferent numbers each spin, but eventually they always push it too far and a number they haven't covered comes up Roulette is good fun, but if you really want to win at a casino, you need to pick a game where the odds are more in your favour I got told about a system for craps, but I have never tried it. It involves only playing once the casino announces that it is the last 3 rolls, i.e. it is about to shut. You can then place a come bet, at odds of evens, and you have 8 chances of winning (roll 7 or 11) and only 4 chances of losing (2, 3 or 12) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Not having a dig, but it amazes me that people still believe there's some magical mathematical formula out there that will allow people to beat the casino. Roulette's been around for centuries- do you not think if a winning system existed somebody would have found it by now? Bookies are wise to systems folk may develop aswell and change the machines and layout of the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterCapital Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 Not having a dig, but it amazes me that people still believe there's some magical mathematical formula out there that will allow people to beat the casino. Roulette's been around for centuries- do you not think if a winning system existed somebody would have found it by now? As you can see in my post i'd agree. However I want to find out what peoples strategy is when playing, if they have one. Out of interest rather than for me to use. Hans, how do you mean repeat the numbers? How do you go about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Copy all the previous numbers should see you break even or lose less than any other way. Eh ? I think the problem with people betting over and over again is each spin of the wheel is completely separate to the previous one. The number 1 is just as likely to come up 5 times in a row as any other combination. This would be less 'representative' of the sample as a whole, but not less likely. That is the important thing that many do not understand. That is why my pal was so certain that black could not come up that many times in a row. Funny thing is it did, and it does rather more often than most people think. Still, if you are a lucky sort of person then the martingale theory (as it is called) is not a bad bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 As you can see in my post i'd agree. However I want to find out what peoples strategy is when playing, if they have one. Out of interest rather than for me to use. Hans, how do you mean repeat the numbers? How do you go about that. It shows you what the last 15-20 spins have been, I just repeat those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdaley Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 In the long term you CANNOT win at roulette or any other casino game due to the House Edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 In the long term you CANNOT win at roulette or any other casino game due to the House Edge. Unless you find a way to turn the odds in your favour, such as the system I was told for craps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Interesting article on the subject (including the shortcomings of the Martingale system): http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhouseodds.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 It shows you what the last 15-20 spins have been, I just repeat those numbers. They are equally as likely to come up again as any other number. Each spin is completely separate from every other one. You have just as good a chance purely guessing a different number every time. NB - If I remember my statistics classes at Uni correctly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Take a look at that big 0. It's there for a reason. Oh, and go read up on gamblers fallacy. "The only way to beat a roulette machine is to steal from it" - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Take a look at that big 0. It's there for a reason.Oh, and go read up on gamblers fallacy. "The only way to beat a roulette machine is to steal from it" - Albert Einstein That on one spin out of 37 that little '0' ****s up any strategy someone may have !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Always cover the double spin. Always keep an eye out for neighbouring numbers. Everytime I play I usually go with my own numbers which cover half the board so it essentially becomes a 50/50 thing but I'll make adjustments to cover double spin and neighbouring bets or any number I think are due. My mate is better and talks about 'power of 7' and other crap but I'm fairly new and don't know what he's talking about. Numbers I usually go for are 0, 4, 6, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18, 23, 26, 28, 32, 36 Noticed anything about most of they numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 You can never win at roulette, no matter what system you play. If you want to make money in an online casino you can take the bonus money and grind it out at low stakes. Heres the instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 They are equally as likely to come up again as any other number. Each spin is completely separate from every other one. You have just as good a chance purely guessing a different number every time. NB - If I remember my statistics classes at Uni correctly... You are right! Since a roulette machine has no memory, any number can come up, so betting based on the last 20, is just as likely to fail as betting elsewherer. Take a look at that big 0. It's there for a reason. Oh, and go read up on gamblers fallacy. "The only way to beat a roulette machine is to steal from it" - Albert Einstein Ah, the 0, added to give the casinos their margin, but since that wasn't enough, they start adding a double 0 too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I'm pretty sure roulette machines in bookies aren't completely random either, they are fixed to ensure a certain payout percentage. could be wrong there but most gaming machines have to ensure a particular percentage by law and I don't think roulette machines are any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McNulty Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Eh ? I think the problem with people betting over and over again is each spin of the wheel is completely separate to the previous one. exactly what I was gonna post -- previous numbers mean nothing, as what comes up on the current spin is completely independent of what came up before,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I've found the best system is to not start in the first place. P.S martingale is a load of old sweaty bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I've found the best system is to not start in the first place. P.S martingale is a load of old sweaty bollocks It works just fine if you are incredibly lucky !! But if you are I suppose you may as well just stick it all on black and get it over with quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 You are right! Since a roulette machine has no memory, any number can come up, so betting based on the last 20, is just as likely to fail as betting elsewherer. Ah, the 0, added to give the casinos their margin, but since that wasn't enough, they start adding a double 0 too Which is why my mate found out the hard way. Lost us almost $2000 Oz in one spin of the wheel. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Betfair roulette is incredibly repetitive. You often see about 7 reds in a row or 7 evens/odds in a row. Ultimately you will lose all yer cash though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I dont play Roulette at the Casino - mainly blackjack as I enjoy losing my money at that more than anything else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I dont play Roulette at the Casino - mainly blackjack as I enjoy losing my money at that more than anything else! Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Trends I have noticed. Corals - Bet 24, 27, 30 and 36. If the previous number is low i.e 13 bet low (1-18) and if it's high i.e 23 bet high (19-36). William Hills - Bet 10, 14 and 29. If 0 comes up lump on the next ten spins being zero. People say there is as good a chance as any about numbers but it's decided before the spin. You could have a bounce out at the Casino and and the ball could end up at the other end of the wheel. Whereas doing neighbour bets on the bookies machines you know by the spin if you've got a winner. KEEP WELL AWAY FROM MORRISON'S MACHINES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Best way to maximise your chances of a decent profit are small bets on single numbers, anything else reduces your odds proportionately. Anyone looking for a great read on the only game in the casino you can influence your chances on (Blackjack) should read "21:Bringing Down the Casino" by Ben Mezrich about a group of MIT students who used statistics, memory skills and table watching to predict when to bet higher stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I dont play Roulette at the Casino - mainly blackjack as I enjoy losing my money at that more than anything else! I agree, cos Blackjack isn't all down to chance, so there are ways to swing the odds more in your favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neobis Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Anyone looking for a great read on the only game in the casino you can influence your chances on (Blackjack) should read "21:Bringing Down the Casino" by Ben Mezrich Is this the same as the movie I seen last week called "21"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Is this the same as the movie I seen last week called "21"? Yep. Reading a few peoples' posts think it's worth reiterating that when Casinos have an edge it's exactly that- an edge. No matter what you think you've come up with you've only decreased the advantage they have over you. If you want to win money consistently in a casino, get good at poker- the Casino don't have an edge, they get their income from the buy-in fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Is this the same as the movie I seen last week called "21"? If the film has Kevin Spacey in it then yes, it's the same one, as the cover of the book mentions that it's shortly to be released as a movie with him in it, playing Micky the ringleader. It also says that the film goes in a slightly different direction from the book so if you are a reader it's worth getting hold of. Can't stress enough how good it is, I read the whole thing in one go. Was the film any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Roulette is much safe in the casino i find. Online it seems to do you over again and again. Iv seen 9 times in a "12" and 15 reds etc. Obv this can happen but online it seemsa bit dodgey. Saying that i have goen from a tennor to a few hundred many times. I must be abotu even or up slightly. The best times are when you get to just over your target say 110 as i did a month back, put a 5er on red and a 5er on zero...in walks zero thank you very much 180 quid! Tend to play more cash poker online now. Thats were the bad beats really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfstar Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I'm pretty sure roulette machines in bookies aren't completely random either, they are fixed to ensure a certain payout percentage. could be wrong there but most gaming machines have to ensure a particular percentage by law and I don't think roulette machines are any different. correct, mate worked in a bookie. Most ppl think these are random but they have a box which only pays out on %. Works a bit like a fruit machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 There is one that is successful, or at least it has been for me. Instead of thinking of ways to increase your chances of winning, you have to think of ways to decrease your chances of losing. Instead of losing what you've won, win what you have lost. Basically, bet ?1 on an EVS chance - Red, Black, 1-18, 19-36, Odd or Even. If it wins, bet ?1 again, if a bet loses, double up - ?2 on, ?4 on etc. Every win you get, you will be your initial stake up eg. bet ?1 (?1 total) - win, returns ?2, you're up ?1. bet ?1 (?1 total) - lose bet ?2 (?3 total) - lose bet ?4 (?7 total) - wins, returns ?8, you're up ?1. I've heard this responce when I've told people of it, why bet ?8 to win ?1, well you are not only winning ?1 but also all the money you have lost. I tend to go for the same one if I lost so 5-6 reds/blacks etc. in a row would end my game. I only play in casino's, I'm not into gambling on the internet, anything can be fixed, also in bookies, I have tried the system before, it has won, but I can't trust them. I think it was this site that I heard this system, I won about ?20 one night at the casino using the system, I was only on the machine for 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 There is one that is successful, or at least it has been for me. Instead of thinking of ways to increase your chances of winning, you have to think of ways to decrease your chances of losing. Instead of losing what you've won, win what you have lost. Basically, bet ?1 on an EVS chance - Red, Black, 1-18, 19-36, Odd or Even. If it wins, bet ?1 again, if a bet loses, double up - ?2 on, ?4 on etc. Every win you get, you will be your initial stake up eg. bet ?1 (?1 total) - win, returns ?2, you're up ?1. bet ?1 (?1 total) - lose bet ?2 (?3 total) - lose bet ?4 (?7 total) - wins, returns ?8, you're up ?1. I've heard this responce when I've told people of it, why bet ?8 to win ?1, well you are not only winning ?1 but also all the money you have lost. I tend to go for the same one if I lost so 5-6 reds/blacks etc. in a row would end my game. I only play in casino's, I'm not into gambling on the internet, anything can be fixed, also in bookies, I have tried the system before, it has won, but I can't trust them. I think it was this site that I heard this system, I won about ?20 one night at the casino using the system, I was only on the machine for 30 minutes. This is the Martingale system mate that is discussed further up in the thread- over the long term it doesn't work and could land you in a lot of trouble if you put too much money into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 There is one that is successful, or at least it has been for me. Instead of thinking of ways to increase your chances of winning, you have to think of ways to decrease your chances of losing. Instead of losing what you've won, win what you have lost. Basically, bet ?1 on an EVS chance - Red, Black, 1-18, 19-36, Odd or Even. If it wins, bet ?1 again, if a bet loses, double up - ?2 on, ?4 on etc. Every win you get, you will be your initial stake up eg. bet ?1 (?1 total) - win, returns ?2, you're up ?1. bet ?1 (?1 total) - lose bet ?2 (?3 total) - lose bet ?4 (?7 total) - wins, returns ?8, you're up ?1. I've heard this responce when I've told people of it, why bet ?8 to win ?1, well you are not only winning ?1 but also all the money you have lost. I tend to go for the same one if I lost so 5-6 reds/blacks etc. in a row would end my game. I only play in casino's, I'm not into gambling on the internet, anything can be fixed, also in bookies, I have tried the system before, it has won, but I can't trust them. I think it was this site that I heard this system, I won about ?20 one night at the casino using the system, I was only on the machine for 30 minutes. Thats the martingdale system. And there's a reason why the casino are more than happy for you to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 correct, mate worked in a bookie. Most ppl think these are random but they have a box which only pays out on %. Works a bit like a fruit machine Varies depending on bookmaker. Some are entirely random. They usually will have a sticker on them advising you of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 As I've stated before, I play a few times and always go for double spin and neighbouring bets but it's always luck. I've had a couple of crackers though. On three consecutive trips to the casino I was 1: Up ?80 2: Up ?65 3: Up ?40 The second one was after a night out and I was so smashed I could barely see the table yet somehow turned my last tener into ?75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 See online roulette machines, what's the deal with them, I started with $1,000, I'm putting 4 x $25 chips down on numbers (some split) and I'm up to $22,025. The thing is, the numbers coming up aren't mine and I'm still getting paid money back for them, usually $100-$300, except 0, that is the only one I have found doesn't pay back. Is this a problem with the site or is this a way to entise you in? I've wrote down all 37 numbers, 3 I have still to get but all the others seem to give me at least my $100 back. Note, in the time I've typed this, I'm now on $22,650. Or have I found some type of code chips that pays out whatever number is lands on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 See online roulette machines, what's the deal with them, I started with $1,000, I'm putting 4 x $25 chips down on numbers (some split) and I'm up to $22,025. The thing is, the numbers coming up aren't mine and I'm still getting paid money back for them, usually $100-$300, except 0, that is the only one I have found doesn't pay back. Is this a problem with the site or is this a way to entise you in? I've wrote down all 37 numbers, 3 I have still to get but all the others seem to give me at least my $100 back. Note, in the time I've typed this, I'm now on $22,650. Or have I found some type of code chips that pays out whatever number is lands on... Please tell me it's real cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_is_my_story Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Trends I have noticed. Corals - Bet 24, 27, 30 and 36. If the previous number is low i.e 13 bet low (1-18) and if it's high i.e 23 bet high (19-36). William Hills - Bet 10, 14 and 29. If 0 comes up lump on the next ten spins being zero. People say there is as good a chance as any about numbers but it's decided before the spin. You could have a bounce out at the Casino and and the ball could end up at the other end of the wheel. Whereas doing neighbour bets on the bookies machines you know by the spin if you've got a winner. KEEP WELL AWAY FROM MORRISON'S MACHINES!! All of the above is complete nonsense. EVERY Machine in ANY betting office is linked to a server which randomly generates a winning number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_is_my_story Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Varies depending on bookmaker. Some are entirely random. They usually will have a sticker on them advising you of it. That applies to AWP (bandit) machines, usually set to about 82% profit, and not to roulette machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_is_my_story Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 correct, mate worked in a bookie. Most ppl think these are random but they have a box which only pays out on %. Works a bit like a fruit machine No, it doesn't. As is the case with a real roulette table, the odds of your chosen number coming out are exactly the same as on the previous spin, no percentage profit is preset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_is_my_story Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 To put it all in a nutshell, it beats me to think that anyone can believe they can get the better of a table/machine which is paying odds of 35/1 about a 36/1 chance. Even the Martingale 'system' is useless - if you toss a coin and ten times in a row it lands on Heads, it's still 50/50 on the next toss, as the previous outcome has zero influence on the next... Which challenges the so-called 'law' of probability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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