Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[Thunder and Lightning]

Just now, AyrJambo said:

 

He is all over the place!

Last week the Bute House Agreement was vital to Scotland and the Greens were worth their weight in gold

Would like to know who's pulling the strings

I think they roll a dice to decide what to say. 😂 

[Lone Striker]

3 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

Not well played at all. He was forced into this before the greens dumped him and his. 

Probably, yes - but whats wrong with that ?  Its just politics

[Lone Striker]

51 minutes ago, Australis said:

Stv news.

 

Lorna Slater launched a scathing attack on Humza Yousaf saying he can no longer be trusted.

😀😃😀😄😃😄😃😀😀😄😃

 

It's a Mexican standoff Greengo.

 

Now the two sets of lying parasites detest each other.

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Detest .... as in "hate", aye ?  

 

[AyrJambo]

6 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

I think they roll a dice to decide what to say. 😂 

 

Robin McAlpine is always worth a read

Nothing on today's events yet but shouldn't be too long...

 

https://robinmcalpine.org/analysis/

[Mikey1874]

Patrick Hardie blames "reactionary SNP members". And a "rightward shift in the SNP".

Edited April 25 by Mikey1874

[Thunder and Lightning]

14 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Probably, yes - but whats wrong with that ?  Its just politics

So we praise him for doing the only thing he could do apart from nothing? 😂 

[Hagar the Horrible]

3 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

So we praise him for doing the only thing he could do apart from nothing? 😂 

Pretty much yeah, this morning the act made him look strong, until he opened his mouth and came across as pathetic!

 

Cant wait for FMQ

[henryheart]

34 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

I hate the point that is spewed out the the WM parties in Scotland are depriving the PEOPLE of their right?  So to be clear are voters who vote for Labour, Tory or Lib-Dem parties are not People?  do their votes not count that the don't want it?  he then wants to be inclusive to all, but clearly not to those who vote for other parties.

 

He did come across as its not you, it's me I just need to find some space, I still love you but I cannot go on like this and we need to see other people now.  Its like a 20yo something dumping an abusive partner

 

It is very disheartening. He presents a rather pathetic image, trying to come across as the strong man who is in full control and it is business as usual; it is not. I had hoped that he might hold out the olive branch and accept that he will have to work with others, but no. Inclusiveness to those with another political view is simply not on his or the SNP agenda. The vile that is spewed out against the opposite view is a big turn off with no room for debate. It is obvious that he has never had a job in the real world, as any decent business leader understands that the way to peoples minds is discussion, debate, compromise and proof of achievement and not simply blaming somebody else when things go wrong.  

 

He doesn't seem to grasp that he has to get next years budget through parliament and that he will not be able to do so without the help of other parties.  I suspect that he will get what he deserves. 

[Lone Striker]

5 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

So we praise him for doing the only thing he could do apart from nothing? 😂 

Apologies if I picked your comment up wrongly - but I'm not implying praise at all, for the very reason you've just stated.   Its just politics.

 

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[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, AyrJambo said:

 

@Roxy Hearts? 

I like Flynn and Forbes. There's not any great politicians left in any party. What's important now is for the SNP to get some direction! 

[Thunder and Lightning]

2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Apologies if I picked your comment up wrongly - but I'm not implying praise at all, for the very reason you've just stated.   Its just politics.

 

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No worries. 👍 

[AyrJambo]

3 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I like Flynn and Forbes. There's not any great politicians left in any party. What's important now is for the SNP to get some direction! 

 

I was actually answering @lost in space question on who might provide leadership and direction and galvanise the movement! 🙂

[Roxy Hearts]

4 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

I was actually answering @lost in space question on who might provide leadership and direction and galvanise the movement! 🙂

🤣

[Lord Montpelier]

28 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I like Flynn and Forbes. There's not any great politicians left in any party. What's important now is for the SNP to get some direction! 

After today's event Roxy, do the Scottish Greens still have your full support ?

[Jim_Duncan]

Fair play to him, getting in before he was voted on (and rejected) by the swivel-eyed loons that make up the Green Party membership. 

Edited April 25 by Jim_Duncan

[New Town Loafer]

29 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I like Flynn and Forbes. There's not any great politicians left in any party. What's important now is for the SNP to get some direction! 

I have never, and will never, vote SNP but I like Kate Forbes and think she would make a good First Minister (if it had to be an SNP FM).

[doctor jambo]

48 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Patrick Hardie blames "reactionary SNP members". And a "rightward shift in the SNP".

Right wing shift in the SNP.

right wing now equates to high taxes high spend but not experimenting on kids?

the SNP are left wingers forced to safeguard children by a retired world renowned paediatrician being smeared as a fascist

[Australis]

18 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

I have never, and will never, vote SNP but I like Kate Forbes and think she would make a good First Minister (if it had to be an SNP FM).

She seems less of a liar than the rest.

 But would soon settle quickly into it.

 

[Australis]

Harvie..............white

Slater.................white

Greer..................ginger and white.

[Carter]

Patrick Harvie really is a very strange little man.

[AyrJambo]

Mostly just whitabootery from Yousaf so far...

[doctor jambo]

4 minutes ago, Carter said:

Patrick Harvie really is a very strange little man.

His association with the PIE people promoting sex with minors should have seen him never near office, ever.

[AyrJambo]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

His association with the PIE people promoting sex with minors should have seen him never near office, ever.

 

So many openings for pastry-based puns there but I won't..

[John Findlay]

28 minutes ago, Australis said:

 

Greer..................ginger and white.

Is her/his first name Nemo?

[Lord Montpelier]

Ross proposing a vote of no confidence in Yousaf. Immediately tests the Greens resolve. 

[Thunder and Lightning]

54 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

After today's event Roxy, do the Scottish Greens still have your full support ?

I believe he will now call them green torys. 😂 

[John Findlay]

6 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Ross proposing a vote of no confidence in Yousaf. Immediately tests the Greens resolve. 

He will have a few SNP MSPs supporting him.

[Japan Jambo]

5 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

I believe he will now call them green torys. 😂 

 

🤣👏

[OTT]

5 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

He will have a few SNP MSPs supporting him.

 

I don't think so, by disolving the BHA that probably wins him back (or stays their hand anyway) of the backbenchers that want him gone. It becomes a Nationalist/Unionist issue if the greens back the Tories, and Alba hold the deciding vote to draw it or not - I believe in the event of a draw the Presiding Officer by convention backs the government ?

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, Lord Montpelier said:

After today's event Roxy, do the Scottish Greens still have your full support ?

Where did I say I gave the Greens my "full support"?

 

1 hour ago, New Town Loafer said:

I have never, and will never, vote SNP but I like Kate Forbes and think she would make a good First Minister (if it had to be an SNP FM).

Fair enough.

 

20 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

I believe he will now call them green torys. 😂 

Behave. I'd probably vote Conservative in an independent Scotland.

[Australis]

Was Sturgeon at FMQs today?

 

Getting that look from every MSP and Parliament staff member knowing that her pretend husband has allegedly been stealing money from the SNP party and its members.

 

Wonder what kind of day she had.

 

 

[XB52]

I agree with a lot of the greens policies but it has become more and more like the tail wagging the dog in the last few months.

If there is a vote of NC it will be interesting what way the unelected Alba member votes. 

[lost in space]

8 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Where did I say I gave the Greens my "full support"?

 

Fair enough.

 

Behave. I'd probably vote Conservative in an independent Scotland.

Would that be the Conservative and UNIONIST Party?

The SNP would presumably split into something like "The Democratic Socialists" and "Independant Labour".

A rightist party may be formed but there would not be a Tory party.

It's all hypothetical anyway............

[Roxy Hearts]

1 minute ago, lost in space said:

Would that be the Conservative and UNIONIST Party?

The SNP would presumably split into something like "The Democratic Socialists" and "Independant Labour".

A rightist party may be formed but there would not be a Tory party.

It's all hypothetical anyway............

Whatever is closest to benefit Scotland as a whole. A proper small c Conservative Party, not the current abomination!

[AyrJambo]

4 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Would that be the Conservative and UNIONIST Party?

The SNP would presumably split into something like "The Democratic Socialists" and "Independant Labour".

A rightist party may be formed but there would not be a Tory party.

It's all hypothetical anyway............

 

I imagine there will still be those who will campaign for a Union with England, for a time anyway

But any political parties operating in an independent Scotland would need to be wholly Scottish in terms of their member base, registration and funding

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Sorry Ms Garland

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Right wing shift in the SNP.

right wing now equates to high taxes high spend but not experimenting on kids?

the SNP are left wingers forced to safeguard children by a retired world renowned paediatrician being smeared as a fascist

This 

[Australis]

48 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Ross proposing a vote of no confidence in Yousaf. Immediately tests the Greens resolve. 

Is there a chance if yousless goes that we could get an SNP first minister that has never been arrested.

 

That would be refreshing.

 

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

When asked about what changed in the last 48 hours regarding what changed with the Greens,  Humza gave a list of Conservatives as if it is some kind of shame?????  If Doug Ross had been clever he could have just said Murrell, that would have been the Trump card played and won.

 

This today stopped an equally awkward encounter explaining his inability to suspend the Murrells now that one has been charged.

 

Humza will need to learn contrition quickly as he will need labour and the Tories in the coming months to get anything done.

 

The Greens will spit the dummy, even though they only do breast feeding, Harvey still looks like he breast feeds.

[AyrJambo]

1 minute ago, Australis said:

Is there a chance if yousless goes that we could get an SNP first minister that has never been arrested.

 

That would be refreshing.

 

 

😄😄😄

[JudyJudyJudy]

 Roxy u have def said you support rhr greens but I can’t be bothered scrolling back to locate it . 

[Lord Montpelier]

Apparently if Yousaf loses the vote he has to resign.

28 days then to replace him. If they can't, election time. 

[Lord Montpelier]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

 Roxy u have def said you support rhr greens but I can’t be bothered scrolling back to locate it . 

He did. 

Will be using the Sturgeon "I don't recall" tactic though

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

When asked about what changed in the last 48 hours regarding what changed with the Greens,  Humza gave a list of Conservatives as if it is some kind of shame?????  If Doug Ross had been clever he could have just said Murrell, that would have been the Trump card played and won.

 

This today stopped an equally awkward encounter explaining his inability to suspend the Murrells now that one has been charged.

 

Humza will need to learn contrition quickly as he will need labour and the Tories in the coming months to get anything done.

 

The Greens will spit the dummy, even though they only do breast feeding, Harvey still looks like he breast feeds.

Yes contrition and humility . Hes should be using slinging the greens as impetus to move things forward positively . Let’s see if he is able to ,? Am I holding my breath ? No . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

He did. 

Will be using the Sturgeon "I don't recall" tactic though

Def did ! 💯 

[JudyJudyJudy]

It’s another great day for this who have gender critical beliefs . I’m vindicated again. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

SNP 'sold out' future generations - Greenspublished at 09:37

09:37

Scottish Greens co-leader Lorna Slater has just confirmed the end of the Bute House agreement and accused the SNP of "selling out future generations".

She said: “This is an act of political cowardice by the SNP, who are selling out future generations to appease the most reactionary forces in the country.

"They have broken the bonds of trust with members of both parties who have twice chosen the co-operation agreement and climate action over chaos, culture wars and division. They have betrayed the electorate."

She said that the first minister ended the agreement in "such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way" which "signalled that when it comes to political co-operation, he can no longer be trusted."

 

We've been let down by SNP time and time again'published at 09:45

09:45

In a lengthy statement marking the end of the power-sharing agreement between the SNP and Scottish Greens, Lorna Slater goes on to say that the Scottish Greens were due to vote on the co-operation agreement in the coming weeks.

However, she says they will no longer have the opportunity because of "the most reactionary and backwards-looking forces within the First Minister’s party" which "forced him to do the opposite of what he himself had said was in Scotland’s best interests".

She adds: "If they can’t stand up to members of their own party, how can anyone expect them to stand up to the UK government at Westminster and defend the interests of Scotland?"

Slater says the Scottish Greens were "let down by the SNP time and time again" on a variety of issues including oil and gas targets and council tax.

She ends the statement by urging SNP members who cared about the climate, trans rights and independence to consider whether they were in the right party.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

It’s all deliciously Machiavellian 

 

 

love it 

 

 

 

 

 

[AyrJambo]

5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s another great day for this who have gender critical beliefs . I’m vindicated again. 

 

I get the impression you will always be vindicated 👍

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yes contrition and humility . Hes should be using slinging the greens as impetus to move things forward positively . Let’s see if he is able to ,? Am I holding my breath ? No . 

He did the right thing in ditching the Greens, but just went on a whataboutery attack on everybody else as deflection from the chaotic shitshow that would be a Broadway smash hit.  he even attacked the Lib-dems for their coalition with the Conservatives, The Lib-dems took one for the Country and they took a hit but are back as a Party proper.

 

If he just said, the coalition was at its natural end, and we wish to go forward on the issues that mater to all, He would have came across as in charge, But now he looks so out of his depth.  Shame mammy has her own issues to seek. there is nobody left to give him a cuddle.

 

I am split with predicting will this be the beginning of the end for Humza? Even if the Ross motion of a Vote of confidence just ends up as a parting shot, It will trigger a power struggle within.

 

PH has just said that the Bute House agreement would have ensured he won a VONC.  The Greens are off to discuss how they would vote should a confidence vote goes ahead.  Remember they SNP have 63 seats, everybody else has 66.  The Greens could tip the balance, but who is to say SNP members might trigger a cabalistic power shift to get Kate into power???

 

Humza said the Bute House agreement lasted 19 Liz Trusses'  at least after 1 Liz Truss we got rid as it was a disaster, 1its taken Humza to be as bad as 18 other Liz Trusses' before we get rid.  He wont be remembered well!