The working class

[coppercrutch]

As for the 10p tax band. We all know who are hit hardest in this country. The middle class. That is because they work. They don't ask for much. They pay their taxes. They are an easy target. Those at the bottom and top end are not.

 

Although many people won't want to hear this a large number of people in the 'lower classes' as some may put it, don't give a flying **** in ever working or doing well for themselves. At the other end of the scale those with a lot of money can employ smart accountants to make sure they get every tax break possible. So that leaves us with the sitting duck in the middle. Taking the hit as per usual. I think the abolition of the 10p rate is a good thing.

 

In fact there should be one rate and one rate only for every single person in this country. The whole point of a percentage is that it is proportional. The more you earn the more you pay. The less you earn the less you pay. Seems pretty much 100% fair to me.

 

You start mucking about with it and the entire fairness of the system fails. It already has.

[Beverley]

oh good god i need a lie down

 

i'm AGREEING with CC (faints)

 

this pishing about with tax brackets is wrong to my mind too.

 

it ought to be 1 tax rate, with pensions not being taxed. would be much more fair a system.

[Rosewood]

As for the 10p tax band. We all know who are hit hardest in this country. The middle class. That is because they work. They don't ask for much. They pay their taxes. They are an easy target. Those at the bottom and top end are not.

 

Although many people won't want to hear this a large number of people in the 'lower classes' as some may put it, don't give a flying **** in ever working or doing well for themselves. At the other end of the scale those with a lot of money can employ smart accountants to make sure they get every tax break possible. So that leaves us with the sitting duck in the middle. Taking the hit as per usual. I think the abolition of the 10p rate is a good thing.

 

In fact there should be one rate and one rate only for every single person in this country. The whole point of a percentage is that it is proportional. The more you earn the more you pay. The less you earn the less you pay. Seems pretty much 100% fair to me.

 

You start mucking about with it and the entire fairness of the system fails. It already has.

 

I think the highlighted part is spot on. A flat rate would be fair but I can't see it happening.

[coppercrutch]

oh good god i need a lie down

 

i'm AGREEING with CC (faints)

 

this pishing about with tax brackets is wrong to my mind too.

 

it ought to be 1 tax rate, with pensions not being taxed. would be much more fair a system.

 

I think you should get a warning for agreeing with me !!!

 

Their was a look into this by the Tory's I think a few year back. They worked out a one level tax band would be something like 38p.

 

BUT this was including a raising of the tax free standard amount to about 16k.

 

I personally think that is a nonsense. Not sure why they included this in their equation. Maybe just to make the outcome look unworkable.

 

If they had a flat tax rate and kept the tax free limit to 6k then I imagine the overall rate would be circa 30%. I would accept that as fair (As far as tax in this country can be ). I imagine a lot of other people would too.

[coppercrutch]

I think the highlighted part is spot on. A flat rate would be fair but I can't see it happening.

 

Either can I. Not sure why it is never seriously considered. On the face of it many people would prefer it.

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

Bring Maggie Back

 

That'll sort out the scroungers!

[flecktimus]

oh good god i need a lie down

 

i'm AGREEING with CC (faints)

 

this pishing about with tax brackets is wrong to my mind too.

 

it ought to be 1 tax rate, with pensions not being taxed. would be much more fair a system.

 

me to:eek:

[flecktimus]

The working class

Can kick my ass

I,ve got the gaffers job at last.

 

I used to be working class,working at the coalface at Monktonhall.Now I have a good job with a large telecoms provider I have become middle class according to my workmates(sorry team members!)

 

Which coalface?

[luckydug]

How is it that in a country like Scotland where hardly anyone votes Tory that all the right wing nutters appear on a Hearts web site?

[systemx]

Mainly G50 although worked at some time or another in all sections and very rarely in the retreat sections on the Southside.

[speedbump]

How is it that in a country like Scotland where hardly anyone votes Tory that all the right wing nutters appear on a Hearts web site?

 

The Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party's share of the vote is on the up across the board, so I keep hearing.

[Robertson9]

Thats more like it, bloody split ersed bints!

 

Snakes with tits

[mac]

I am from working class roots (grandparents up) and I have the utmost respect for the class in general.

 

What grinds my gears on this one was something that came out of that ridiculous excuse for a parliament just recently with reference to the scrapping of the 10p in the pound.

 

For what it is worth I do not agree with this at all (well not really) but when people try and tell you "the real worker will pay more" it infuriates me.

 

Why do people just think because someone is working class they work harder and are referred to the 'real worker'. Does a white collar worker get paid for doing nothing?

 

Undoubtedly manual labour is a far cry from an office jockey etc but to say the working class work harder is a bleedin insult (not that the working class is just manual labour but you know what I mean I am sure).

 

Most jobs tend to be hard at times and I am sure tiring, whether you are crunching numbers, stacking shelves, drilling streets or operating on someone's body.

 

Wish these MPs would just feck off as it appears to me they are just trying to win the vote of the 'common' man.

 

I am working class, both sets of Grandparents lived paycheck to paycheck, my parents lived that way, and now I live that way - I'm only here because I listened and learned what was going on around me, tried to better myself, took a few chances and basically BS'd myself into an opportunity to get to Florida. Working out where I actually wanted to go was the hard part.

[flecktimus]

Mainly G50 although worked at some time or another in all sections and very rarely in the retreat sections on the Southside.

 

Was that 13 or 15 North

[Boris]

Are you clueless!!!

 

He doesn't just concern constituents he makes decisions on ALL matters in Westminster

 

That is very very very much a HUGE concern of mine

 

To re-iterrate a point I have clearly stressed twice now on this thread - I am not pro scrapping the 10p in the ?1 - I just can see the reasoning in it

 

FFS!

 

No, I am not clueless but I rather think you may be regarding how the House of Commons, and the Lords for that matter, actually operates.

[doctor jambo]

Couple of points

Firstly Gorgeous George- I dont agree with his politics but respect him ofr his stance and opinions

Politics in this country needs someone to stick their head over the parapet and mix things up, and these days of towing the party line even dissenters are few and far between

And he too has no time for the dregs of society, and this is what he calls them

Too many people lump these folks into the working class- they are not, and never have been- they may want to fall into that category, but they aint in it

Secondly re flat rate income tax- I agree totally with it

Sick to death of the easy targets getting punished

The middle classes are the ones being honest, taxing their cars, MOT's, paying their fines on time, PAYE, avoiding least tax, no cash in hand

Surely there should be some reward for being a good tax payer?

[Boris]

Couple of points

Firstly Gorgeous George- I dont agree with his politics but respect him ofr his stance and opinions

Politics in this country needs someone to stick their head over the parapet and mix things up, and these days of towing the party line even dissenters are few and far between

And he too has no time for the dregs of society, and this is what he calls them

Too many people lump these folks into the working class- they are not, and never have been- they may want to fall into that category, but they aint in it

Secondly re flat rate income tax- I agree totally with it

Sick to death of the easy targets getting punished

The middle classes are the ones being honest, taxing their cars, MOT's, paying their fines on time, PAYE, avoiding least tax, no cash in hand

Surely there should be some reward for being a good tax payer?

 

I suppose the answer to that would be to see proper value for money and efficient public services i.e. what the tax money is spent on. But that just opens a whole new can of worms.

 

Can't say that I agree with a flat rate of income tax. A graduated tax is, imho, fairer and means (in theory) people contribute according to what they earn and can afford.

 

My brother-in-law thinks income tax should be abolished and the Govt should get its revenue via VAT i.e. on everything we spend a slice goes to the Treasury.

[Coco]

A few points (some of which are loosely connected to the thread):

 

- the old working class etc definitions now make no sense

- Peter Oborne makes an interesting point - that the true class factor these days is the emergence of the Political Class

- a flat tax regime with a higher tax free allowance could be a fairer tax, which could encourage entrepreneurship and those who strive for a better life

- a flat tax regime would only succeed in popularity if there was a huge reduction in the size of the State in the UK

- all Government and Local Government will be faced with the brutal choice of cutting staff - Brown's attempt to create a natural majority has ended in economic crisis

- the mismanagement of the economy by Brown (the UK's worst ever Chancellor) will mean that the UK is going into recession with bloated public spending, a bloated Government sector, an enormous trade deficit, an overvalued housing market, an enormous Government deficit, high inflation

- the experiment of cosseting those who live in the benefit culture has ended with failure - those who have been 'helped' are now without hope of a better life (such as the families where generations have not worked)

- an Independent Scotland could be a high growth, low State dependency economy so long as the size of the Government was cut back

[Boris]

A few points (some of which are loosely connected to the thread):

 

- the old working class etc definitions now make no sense

- Peter Oborne makes an interesting point - that the true class factor these days is the emergence of the Political Class

- a flat tax regime with a higher tax free allowance could be a fairer tax, which could encourage entrepreneurship and those who strive for a better life

- a flat tax regime would only succeed in popularity if there was a huge reduction in the size of the State in the UK

- all Government and Local Government will be faced with the brutal choice of cutting staff - Brown's attempt to create a natural majority has ended in economic crisis

- the mismanagement of the economy by Brown (the UK's worst ever Chancellor) will mean that the UK is going into recession with bloated public spending, a bloated Government sector, an enormous trade deficit, an overvalued housing market, an enormous Government deficit, high inflation

- the experiment of cosseting those who live in the benefit culture has ended with failure - those who have been 'helped' are now without hope of a better life (such as the families where generations have not worked)

- an Independent Scotland could be a high growth, low State dependency economy so long as the size of the Government was cut back

 

Are you Vernon Coleman?

[flecktimus]

I suppose the answer to that would be to see proper value for money and efficient public services i.e. what the tax money is spent on. But that just opens a whole new can of worms.

 

Can't say that I agree with a flat rate of income tax. A graduated tax is, imho, fairer and means (in theory) people contribute according to what they earn and can afford.

 

My brother-in-law thinks income tax should be abolished and the Govt should get its revenue via VAT i.e. on everything we spend a slice goes to the Treasury.

 

Think your brother-in-law may have a good point.

[Boris]

Think your brother-in-law may have a good point.

 

I may be wrong, but I'm sure he said this is how the Swiss operate.

[flecktimus]

I may be wrong, but I'm sure he said this is how the Swiss operate.

 

Always been a believer in the flat rate tax, but i certainly could be persuaded to tax being collected on VAT.Not sure the business community would enjoy being tax collectors:eek:

[Jarhead]

I think you should get a warning for agreeing with me !!!

 

Their was a look into this by the Tory's I think a few year back. They worked out a one level tax band would be something like 38p.

 

BUT this was including a raising of the tax free standard amount to about 16k.

 

I personally think that is a nonsense. Not sure why they included this in their equation. Maybe just to make the outcome look unworkable.

 

If they had a flat tax rate and kept the tax free limit to 6k then I imagine the overall rate would be circa 30%. I would accept that as fair (As far as tax in this country can be ). I imagine a lot of other people would too.

 

I've always thought that a higher tax free limit was a no brainer.

We have this crazy situation where we spend a lot of money collected tax from people on low wages.

We then realise that these people don't have enough money to live on and class them as being in poverty.

We then spend a lot of money giving the poor their own money back in the form of welfare.

[Coco]

I've always thought that a higher tax free limit was a no brainer.

We have this crazy situation where we spend a lot of money collected tax from people on low wages.

We then realise that these people don't have enough money to live on and class them as being in poverty.

We then spend a lot of money giving the poor their own money back in the form of welfare.

 

This has been a grand opportunity for Brown's natural majority creation techniques due to the size of workforce required for this farce.

 

Also a grand opportunity for IT spending waste, measures to control the population etc etc.

[coppercrutch]

I suppose the answer to that would be to see proper value for money and efficient public services i.e. what the tax money is spent on. But that just opens a whole new can of worms.

 

Can't say that I agree with a flat rate of income tax. A graduated tax is, imho, fairer and means (in theory) people contribute according to what they earn and can afford.

 

My brother-in-law thinks income tax should be abolished and the Govt should get its revenue via VAT i.e. on everything we spend a slice goes to the Treasury.

 

(1) A flat tax rate IS GRADUATED by its very nature. That is the whole point of a percentage. Graduation IS BUILT IN. Anyone who thinks altering the actual percentage amounts does not, IMO understand basic maths. They are just blinded by the 'They earn more they should pay more mantra'. IMO.

 

(2) Interesting concept. I actually quite like the tax free concept of places like Dubai etc... You keep all your money and you CHOOSE where you taxes go. Every single day. You want to drive on a nice road, you pay the money. You don't, you go the other way and save you money. You want your bin emptied, you pay your money. You want a better service to get your bin emptied, you pay more money.

 

It all just seems a whole lot fairer to me, taxed at source. You get what you pay for.* There would only be one group of people in this country who would not be happy with this. That is those who GAIN from taxation. Personally I think they can go **** themselves. Never really had anyone able to explain why I should work to pay for some **** bag to buy fags and a new mobile phone. Until they can I will just assume I am getting ****ed on due to the fact I actually pay what I am supposed to.

 

And as for what the Government plans to do with the banks, don't even get me started. privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Disgusting.

 

*(With a hugely reduced and more efficent state support mechanism in place for those REALLY in need)

[Jarhead]

This has been a grand opportunity for Brown's natural majority creation techniques due to the size of workforce required for this farce.

 

Also a grand opportunity for IT spending waste, measures to control the population etc etc.

 

I think that's very true Coco. The more people that depend on the state for their livelihood the less likely they are to vote for a party that wants to change that situation. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that.

[coppercrutch]

I think that's very true Coco. The more people that depend on the state for their livelihood the less likely they are to vote for a party that wants to change that situation. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that.

 

Never thought about it that way. Sad situation. I would love to leave this country for a while but I don't know where to go !!

[Boris]

Never thought about it that way. Sad situation. I would love to leave this country for a while but I don't know where to go !!

 

I'd have thought that there would be a queue of people wanting to tell you where to go!:rolleyes:

[Coco]

I'd have thought that there would be a queue of people wanting to tell you where to go!:rolleyes:

 

 

 

It is going to be a brutal process when someone eventually has to take the decision to dismantle the mechanisms of the bloated public sector. Nobody in politics is willing to talk about this at the moment. But when tax revenues slide in the next couple of years there are going to be horrible implications for public sector workers.

[Boris]

 

 

It is going to be a brutal process when someone eventually has to take the decision to dismantle the mechanisms of the bloated public sector. Nobody in politics is willing to talk about this at the moment. But when tax revenues slide in the next couple of years there are going to be horrible implications for public sector workers.

 

Why are tax revenues going to slide? Geniune question and not party political by me. Is it because there are less tax payers or are tax rates not high enough? Please explain.

 

If the public sector is so bloated doesn't it mean that there is a a lot more workers paying tax?

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

How is it that in a country like Scotland where hardly anyone votes Tory that all the right wing nutters appear on a Hearts web site?

 

Thats right anyone who does not conform to your view is a nutter.

[coppercrutch]

I'd have thought that there would be a queue of people wanting to tell you where to go!:rolleyes:

 

Scandalous !!

 

And as for tax revenues I imagine Coco was referring to this countrie's economy being a mess. The cracks are just starting to appear. I fear it will get pretty nasty.

[Boris]

Scandalous !!

 

 

 

Hehehe

 

I'm leaving the country tomorrow morning.

 

A nice long weekend in Amsterdam beckons...

[Coco]

Why are tax revenues going to slide? Geniune question and not party political by me. Is it because there are less tax payers or are tax rates not high enough? Please explain.

 

If the public sector is so bloated doesn't it mean that there is a a lot more workers paying tax?

 

Second point first, you can't tax your way into prosperity. The private sector has to fund the public sector.

 

First one - in my view the UK economy is less balanced and in poorer shape than any other major economy - so in the coming downturn:

- income tax will go up less than in the past - wage negotiations are going to become tougher/fewer people go up to new tax bands/fewer people go into work/redundancies/fewer workers come in from abroad

- corporate tax - particularly from the financial sector will slow

- VAT - consumption in the UK has to slow to repair household balance sheets

- stamp duty - fewer houses go up through the bands, fewer houses sold

- less appetite for privatisations/state asset sales in poorer economic times

- exise duties/fuel duties - unlikely to go up as much as in previous years but unlikely to fall

-inheritance taxes - go up less than expected as property prices fall (not a significant aggregate tax though)

- oil taxes - rise or fall with the oil price

[flecktimus]

I think that's very true Coco. The more people that depend on the state for their livelihood the less likely they are to vote for a party that wants to change that situation. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that.

 

This is the accusation thrown at the Labour party in Scotland because without Scotland they cannot get power.

[Boris]

Second point first, you can't tax your way into prosperity. The private sector has to fund the public sector.

Arguably the public sector ALSO funds itself i.e. through the taxes paid by public sector workers. I don't disagree that you can't tax your way into prosperity btw.

 

First one - in my view the UK economy is less balanced and in poorer shape than any other major economy - so in the coming downturn:

- income tax will go up less than in the past - wage negotiations are going to become tougher/fewer people go up to new tax bands/fewer people go into work/redundancies/fewer workers come in from abroad

is that perhaps why the 10p rate was abolished?

 

- corporate tax - particularly from the financial sector will slow

- VAT - consumption in the UK has to slow to repair household balance sheets

- stamp duty - fewer houses go up through the bands, fewer houses sold

- less appetite for privatisations/state asset sales in poorer economic times

- exise duties/fuel duties - unlikely to go up as much as in previous years but unlikely to fall

-inheritance taxes - go up less than expected as property prices fall (not a significant aggregate tax though)

- oil taxes - rise or fall with the oil price

 

I'm fraid i don't know enough about corporate tax etc so I will take your word for it.

 

As for less appetite for privatisations/state assets sales...is there anything left? I thought Thatch hawked the family silver in the 80's so her chums could get rich?

[flecktimus]

(1) A flat tax rate IS GRADUATED by its very nature. That is the whole point of a percentage. Graduation IS BUILT IN. Anyone who thinks altering the actual percentage amounts does not, IMO understand basic maths. They are just blinded by the 'They earn more they should pay more mantra'. IMO.

 

(2) Interesting concept. I actually quite like the tax free concept of places like Dubai etc... You keep all your money and you CHOOSE where you taxes go. Every single day. You want to drive on a nice road, you pay the money. You don't, you go the other way and save you money. You want your bin emptied, you pay your money. You want a better service to get your bin emptied, you pay more money.

 

It all just seems a whole lot fairer to me, taxed at source. You get what you pay for.* There would only be one group of people in this country who would not be happy with this. That is those who GAIN from taxation. Personally I think they can go **** themselves. Never really had anyone able to explain why I should work to pay for some **** bag to buy fags and a new mobile phone. Until they can I will just assume I am getting ****ed on due to the fact I actually pay what I am supposed to.

 

And as for what the Government plans to do with the banks, don't even get me started. privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Disgusting.

 

*(With a hugely reduced and more efficent state support mechanism in place for those REALLY in need)

 

God agreeing with you 2 days in a row:evilno:

 

Just a little true story on those that gain from taxation. I owned a factory and needed the staff to do overtime to get an order out quick style.The answer was no because it would interfere with there Tax Credit.

 

Taxation Madness

[coppercrutch]

God agreeing with you 2 days in a row:evilno:

 

Just a little true story on those that gain from taxation. I owned a factory and needed the staff to do overtime to get an order out quick style.The answer was no because it would interfere with there Tax Credit.

 

Taxation Madness

 

So I take it these people were only 'allowed' work a certain number of hours ? And what were they getting tax credit for anyway - if they were working ? I want tax credit too !!

[Miller Jambo 60]

I wasn't wanting to say that as it starts a whole diff debate, but why do dole bludgers get called working class when the lazy sods don't work?

 

Sorry but i worked for 30 years but because of issues at work i had to leave.

Hopefully im working soon.

Only getting back the cash i paid in NAT IN.

So im a dole bludger bet my house is bigger than yours.

And a faster car.

My 60 pound a week is great ma ha.

When you slag people mate remember some people go through life with no probs.

THINK ON DOUG 46 DOLE for 2 weeks

[Boris]

Sorry but i worked for 30 years but because of issues at work i had to leave.

Hopefully im working soon.

Only getting back the cash i paid in NAT IN.

So im a dole bludger bet my house is bigger than yours.

And a faster car.

My 60 pound a week is great ma ha.

When you slag people mate remember some people go through life with no probs.

THINK ON DOUG 46 DOLE for 2 weeks

 

I don't think i8hibsh was meaning all those who are unfortunate to be on the dole are bludgers.

 

All the best.

 

Boris

[systemx]

G50 Maingate was under Ship Inn Musselburgh and the faceline went as far as Portobello Beach(bout 3750feet below)G50 far as you could go on Northside

[systemx]

Oh I was tailgate electrician

[i8hibsh]

oh, what a good idea, if only we could all do that as easily as you all seem to think.

 

i know a lass, a degree in bio forensics and pychology, yet working in a call centre for approx ?14k

 

aye, its easy to make ?20k or more right enough

 

Bev sweetie gotta agree with therapist, she studies bio forensics then goes for a job in a call centre

 

Is it a case of lack of ambition, I can almost gaurantee she could do better

[i8hibsh]

Couple of points

Firstly Gorgeous George- I dont agree with his politics but respect him ofr his stance and opinions

Politics in this country needs someone to stick their head over the parapet and mix things up, and these days of towing the party line even dissenters are few and far between

And he too has no time for the dregs of society, and this is what he calls them

Too many people lump these folks into the working class- they are not, and never have been- they may want to fall into that category, but they aint in it

Secondly re flat rate income tax- I agree totally with it

Sick to death of the easy targets getting punished

The middle classes are the ones being honest, taxing their cars, MOT's, paying their fines on time, PAYE, avoiding least tax, no cash in hand

Surely there should be some reward for being a good tax payer?

 

 

My reward although not much is the satisfaction of knowing you contribute, I can hold my head up high and say I am doing my bit.

 

I'm afraid that is all we can do

[i8hibsh]

Sorry but i worked for 30 years but because of issues at work i had to leave.

Hopefully im working soon.

Only getting back the cash i paid in NAT IN.

So im a dole bludger bet my house is bigger than yours.

And a faster car.

My 60 pound a week is great ma ha.

When you slag people mate remember some people go through life with no probs.

THINK ON DOUG 46 DOLE for 2 weeks

 

From your description doug you are clearly not the target of my rant

 

Think Keith Miller in Eastenders, Frank Gallacher in Shamelss , these are where my grievances lie

 

3 in 4 people in Liverpool are on the dole!

 

What is that all about

[i8hibsh]

I don't think i8hibsh was meaning all those who are unfortunate to be on the dole are bludgers.

 

All the best.

 

Boris

 

Clearly

 

cheers Boris

 

I get great satisfaction in knowing that our pot of money does good

 

Claiming the dole does not make someone an idle scrounger, laughing about it and making no attempt to get back on the saddle does

[Therapist]

Is it a case of lack of ambition, I can almost gaurantee she could do better

 

I'm not sure it's a lack of ambition. I believe it's naivety. A large proportion of students mistakenly assume that any degree will give them better career prospects that someone who goes straight from school to work.

 

Young people need to realise a degree isn't an automatic passport to success. If they decide to opt for studenthood, they'd be well advised to opt for a course that has demonstrable relevance to the economic environment.

[Jarhead]

This is the accusation thrown at the Labour party in Scotland because without Scotland they cannot get power.

 

I think that is a very valid point.

If the very point of 'old' Labour was to represent the poor in society, if they raised all the people out of poverty then they run the risk of being no longer required.

I can't say if it's a concious thing but even when they are in power at all levels of government the worst performing areas are the very ones they represent and have done for nearly a century.

IMO the policies they have pursued for years, whilst originally for the best of reasons, are now what have trapped so many into a life of hardship.

Unfortunatly too many people vote for a party simply because their parents and grandparents did.

[Drew Busby !]

Putting the economics to one side for a second , it's the values I find more interesting...

 

I'm like many on here ... born and brought up working class ... then through education, some motivation and a little bit of brainpower, now find myself slap-bang middle class. Same for the wife. We always get a good laugh at ourselves when we think about the journey thats been made from one to the other.

 

It's of no special importance to me that it's turned out that way. On the other hand I live in a better house, better area, have more cash and better prospects than my parents had. I'm glad about that - and so would they be too. Nothing to do with envy or money-worship, just an improvement in living standards and aspirations across the generations...it's got be be for the best.

 

What I do like though is having both sets of values still floating about in my head. I can be quite the working-class cultural bigot when it suits me - which is often. Other times I can display all kinds of ridiculous tree hugging middle-class affectations, often just out of devilment or a bit of self-parody.

 

Best of both worlds you could say

[flecktimus]

So I take it these people were only 'allowed' work a certain number of hours ? And what were they getting tax credit for anyway - if they were working ? I want tax credit too !!

 

Think you have got to be married:sad: