The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[Imeantasong]

Apologies if already posted. I go back and forth in this thread quite a bit, but there's so much.

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rapid-fear-fall-out-from-jelavic-debt.18075785

 

Rapid fear fall-out from Jelavic debt

 

Peter Schottel, the Rapid Vienna manager, believes his own club will face financial difficulties when Rangers default on the ?900,000 payment due to the Austrian club for the ?4m transfer of Nikica Jelavic two years ago.

 

Jelavic was sold to Everton at a profit of over ?1m in the last transfer window, but with liquidation looming, there appears no hope of Rapid receiving the money they are due next month.

 

The Austrian club will seek help in recovering the money from FIFA.

 

He said: "It is a problem for the club if we don't get the money, so that is something the club will have to deal with.

 

"It is unfair to sign a player from another club then not pay the transfer fee. It means that one club with problems is causing problems at another."

 

Schottel, whose team beat Dundee United 3-0 in a pre-season friendly on Wednesday, has been observing the fall-out from the collapse of Rangers.

 

He said: "I have watched the situation at Rangers and it is a shame such a great club has so many problems. It is not good for Scottish football or the Scottish people because they need a strong league."

 

 

And the only comment:

 

Peter Gibbons, USA

 

This is a great example of why clubs must be punished harshly when they go into administration. League competitions in all countries need stability if the competitiveness of the actual sport is to prevail.. So while clubs are companies they also need to be highly stable for the league to function effectively.

 

We have a major challenge in Scotland with the financial stability of our leagues. Rangers' unethical behavior has put at risk the viability of our league structure and it spreads to other clubs like Rapid.

 

No easy fixes of course but let's hope the folks that administer Scottish footbal at least appreciate that major change is needed - perhaps even time for Scotland to be the first FA to allow an NFL franchise system with the focus on the success of the entire league. Hard for me to suggest that but it may just be the 'enlightened' thing to do.

[jamboinglasgow]

I don't.

 

The other option is no 'Govan' Rangers.

 

Spartans, Linlithgow Rose, Cove Rangers should all be entitled to apply for the SFL at the same time.

 

Imagine if an Aberdeen Rangers got in. If I was an SFL chairman, the would get me vote. Sorry Spartans / Linlithgow but some folk deserve a kicking when they are on their way down.

 

Would love to see Spartans get in, also be happy with Linlithgow Rose. Scottish football needs these well run clubs in the league, but they will get a badly run hulking mess in Rangers.

[ecosse]

from rangers fan

 

A lot of what has been said in this whole sorry episode is true and false. But is it LEGAL? As far as I can see all that Rangers have been found guilty of is Craig Whyte not paying PAYE and Income tax to HMRC. At the moment everything else is pending and yet we have been hit with a 10 point deduction last season which took Celtic 14 points clear but if it were 4 points Rangers could have clawed that back, despite being on a bad run, and still won the league. Denied a European place for finishing second in the SPL. Hit with a ?160,000 fine and illegally banned from signing players for a year. Banned from Europe for three seasons and thrown out the SPL and are at the mercy of the SFL for our future.

 

I can not believe that whoever, Walter Smith, Donald Findlay, Malcolm Murray, John Brown, TBK are not on public record refutting these allegations and taking the corrupt SFA, and SPL to court for imposing sentences that are neither fair or legal. There now seems to be a criminal investigation under way in to the rangers takeover. Why is their no investigation in ti the SPL (REGAN) and the SPL (DONCASTER). Do they have hidden agendas?

 

WHY DOES NOBODY STAND UP FOR US?

 

they go on and on about being punished for this ,that and everything.since they overturned the players registration it seems they think everything can be reversed in court too.

tbf one fan does pull him up on this claim saying

 

10 points is the standard action for going into admin. That's nothing to do with not paying taxes.

Not paying taxes lead to bringing the game in disrepute. That's the ?160K fine. The ban on signing players is on hold.

Denial of european place... remember ... no accounts filed for the year therefore can't play in Europe the following year (even if you ignore that, the fact that the club is in admin / liquidation means no Europe in Season 2012/13)

'Banned from Europe' ...not the case.... INELIGIBLE for Europe based on fact that its NEWCO lacking 3 years of accounts

 

Hung/drawn/quartered? No , treated as per the rules for the most part

but even after hearing the truth its all denials and conspiricies

[Imeantasong]

but even after hearing the truth its all denials and conspiricies

Tells you everything.

 

The guy will probably get banned from the site.

 

EDIT - "Why does nobody stand up for us?" FFS

Edited July 6, 2012 by Imeantasong

[portobellojambo1]

By the sounds of of the interview with Longmuir, they will be asked one question first: Can we accommodate Rangers in the SFL? they will then face more "supplemental" questions, but he doesn't say what they are.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland/18727338

 

If that were the question asked Lovecraft then truth is the answer would be yes, because if a space becomes available due to promotion of either Dundee and Dunfermline then the SFL can accommodate them. But the question would be better phrased as "Will we accommodate them in the SPL". And the answer to that would have to be that they will if their package for application is deemed to be the most attractive. However, it would have to be submitted alongside any other potential applications and judged according to the existing rules. I say that while accepting there were always be an element of suspicion, if, for example 4 clubs indicated they want to fill the available space and the Chairmen go through each application and decide on Sevco, I would think the other three clubs would be a bit suspicious, probably for obvious reasons. But if it is all done in accordance with the rules, and Sevco are accepted into SFL3 I think we would just have to accept it, whether it is generally liked or not.

 

I have had an interesting discussion by email with an SPL chairman the last couple of nights, and this formed the basis of what we were talking about, and that was the gist of what he was saying, i.e. as long as it is all done by the existing rules then what will be will be, and i agreed with that.

Edited July 6, 2012 by portobellojambo1

[livingstonjambo]

Raith Rovers at it again

 

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

 

The club has this evening received the notice of resolutions to be voted on next Friday and we are told to expect an information pack at some time next week. We hope that this pack will present a more balanced report to SFL member clubs than they have so far received.

 

At last Tuesday?s meeting, financial information provided by Neil Doncaster showed an unrealistic worst case scenario. It showed the impact of potential total loss of 3 TV contracts, all of which had been inexplicably agreed on the basis that the broadcaster could walk way if either Rangers or Celtic were not in the SPL. His information did not, however, set out the potentially positive impact of negotiating replacement contracts with other broadcasters or alternatively the much mentioned possibility of launching SPL TV (which we understand could have been launched within a matter of months).

 

Mr Doncaster warned SFL members that if these contracts were indeed lost, this would mean the annual payment to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement would either be greatly reduced or not paid at all. Raith Rovers FC believes this not to be the case, and that the SPL would remain both contractually obliged and able to pay the ?1.9m ? ?2m annual sum, even in that worst case scenario. We call upon the SFL Board to clarify its view on this vital point urgently, before club boards finalise their positions on these important votes.

 

We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and / or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull / strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco. Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL?s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division.

 

Without all of this information, and the opportunity for clubs to further discuss these issues on a fully informed basis amongst themselves before the formal SGM, in a similar format to last Tuesday?s meeting, we are concerned that the fairness and transparency of the process itself is at risk of being compromised. Raith Rovers FC will consider its stance with regard to attendance at this meeting once we receive the information from the SFL.

[jamboinglasgow]

Apologies if already posted. I go back and forth in this thread quite a bit, but there's so much.

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rapid-fear-fall-out-from-jelavic-debt.18075785

 

Rapid fear fall-out from Jelavic debt

 

Peter Schottel, the Rapid Vienna manager, believes his own club will face financial difficulties when Rangers default on the ?900,000 payment due to the Austrian club for the ?4m transfer of Nikica Jelavic two years ago.

 

Jelavic was sold to Everton at a profit of over ?1m in the last transfer window, but with liquidation looming, there appears no hope of Rapid receiving the money they are due next month.

 

The Austrian club will seek help in recovering the money from FIFA.

 

He said: "It is a problem for the club if we don't get the money, so that is something the club will have to deal with.

 

"It is unfair to sign a player from another club then not pay the transfer fee. It means that one club with problems is causing problems at another."

 

Schottel, whose team beat Dundee United 3-0 in a pre-season friendly on Wednesday, has been observing the fall-out from the collapse of Rangers.

 

He said: "I have watched the situation at Rangers and it is a shame such a great club has so many problems. It is not good for Scottish football or the Scottish people because they need a strong league."

 

 

And the only comment:

 

Peter Gibbons, USA

 

This is a great example of why clubs must be punished harshly when they go into administration. League competitions in all countries need stability if the competitiveness of the actual sport is to prevail.. So while clubs are companies they also need to be highly stable for the league to function effectively.

 

We have a major challenge in Scotland with the financial stability of our leagues. Rangers' unethical behavior has put at risk the viability of our league structure and it spreads to other clubs like Rapid.

 

No easy fixes of course but let's hope the folks that administer Scottish footbal at least appreciate that major change is needed - perhaps even time for Scotland to be the first FA to allow an NFL franchise system with the focus on the success of the entire league. Hard for me to suggest that but it may just be the 'enlightened' thing to do.

 

 

Reading that, it makes me think how unfair what Rangers have done. In terms of us, we sold Wallace to Rangers, they have got him for half the price then defaulted on the other half and yet still have him for the next season. How on earth can that be fair. I know its been covered before but its wrong.

[troonmaroon]

Raith Rovers at it again

 

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

 

The club has this evening received the notice of resolutions to be voted on next Friday and we are told to expect an information pack at some time next week. We hope that this pack will present a more balanced report to SFL member clubs than they have so far received.

 

At last Tuesday?s meeting, financial information provided by Neil Doncaster showed an unrealistic worst case scenario. It showed the impact of potential total loss of 3 TV contracts, all of which had been inexplicably agreed on the basis that the broadcaster could walk way if either Rangers or Celtic were not in the SPL. His information did not, however, set out the potentially positive impact of negotiating replacement contracts with other broadcasters or alternatively the much mentioned possibility of launching SPL TV (which we understand could have been launched within a matter of months).

 

Mr Doncaster warned SFL members that if these contracts were indeed lost, this would mean the annual payment to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement would either be greatly reduced or not paid at all. Raith Rovers FC believes this not to be the case, and that the SPL would remain both contractually obliged and able to pay the ?1.9m ? ?2m annual sum, even in that worst case scenario. We call upon the SFL Board to clarify its view on this vital point urgently, before club boards finalise their positions on these important votes.

 

We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and / or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull / strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco. Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL?s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division.

 

Without all of this information, and the opportunity for clubs to further discuss these issues on a fully informed basis amongst themselves before the formal SGM, in a similar format to last Tuesday?s meeting, we are concerned that the fairness and transparency of the process itself is at risk of being compromised. Raith Rovers FC will consider its stance with regard to attendance at this meeting once we receive the information from the SFL.

 

Bit in bold suggests to me that THE resolution they are being asked to vote on is simply 'accept' (or otherwise) newco into sfl in sfl1. Not accept into sfl and then agree or vote on which division...!? So it appears to be all or nothing from sfl/ Longmuir... That's in line with his most recent quotes about having a single question needing majority vote then further votes (which might need 2/3s support as opposed to simple majority??) to affect required changes to their rules if that first vote goes through. (Btw, have the newco even applied to sfl as yet? )

[Rudolf's Mate]

Raith Rovers at it again

 

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

 

The club has this evening received the notice of resolutions to be voted on next Friday and we are told to expect an information pack at some time next week. We hope that this pack will present a more balanced report to SFL member clubs than they have so far received.

 

At last Tuesday?s meeting, financial information provided by Neil Doncaster showed an unrealistic worst case scenario. It showed the impact of potential total loss of 3 TV contracts, all of which had been inexplicably agreed on the basis that the broadcaster could walk way if either Rangers or Celtic were not in the SPL. His information did not, however, set out the potentially positive impact of negotiating replacement contracts with other broadcasters or alternatively the much mentioned possibility of launching SPL TV (which we understand could have been launched within a matter of months).

 

Mr Doncaster warned SFL members that if these contracts were indeed lost, this would mean the annual payment to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement would either be greatly reduced or not paid at all. Raith Rovers FC believes this not to be the case, and that the SPL would remain both contractually obliged and able to pay the ?1.9m ? ?2m annual sum, even in that worst case scenario. We call upon the SFL Board to clarify its view on this vital point urgently, before club boards finalise their positions on these important votes.

 

We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and / or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull / strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco. Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL?s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division.

 

Without all of this information, and the opportunity for clubs to further discuss these issues on a fully informed basis amongst themselves before the formal SGM, in a similar format to last Tuesday?s meeting, we are concerned that the fairness and transparency of the process itself is at risk of being compromised. Raith Rovers FC will consider its stance with regard to attendance at this meeting once we receive the information from the SFL.

 

Loving RR at the moment

[Don Juan]

Reading that, it makes me think how unfair what Rangers have done. In terms of us, we sold Wallace to Rangers, they have got him for half the price then defaulted on the other half and yet still have him for the next season. How on earth can that be fair. I know its been covered before but its wrong.

Without having to troll through 800 odd pages, I take it we are not getting the Wallace money from the SPL seeing as the huns are not going to pay it then?

[bertracoon]

What happens if EVERY SFL team decides to abstain. ie there is no vote taken at the SFL meeting next week?

 

Raith seem to be saying that they have had no legal help or support from anyone connected with the SFL and SFA and are therefore unsure on the potential implications of voting newco Rangers into SFL 3 or SFL1.

 

They also make the very good point (as stated numerous times on this thread as well as by many journalists on twitter) that the documents so far given to the SFL clubs show the total loss of TV contracts. This is absolutely unrealistic. Claiming that the total loss of ALL money they would have received had Rangers been in the SPL is either naive in the extreme or deliberately trying to mislead fans, chairmen and the Scottish football public in general. This must surely go against Doncasters job description for a start. I say this without hesitation. I could do a better job than him at promoting Scottish football and maximising commercial revenue despite having no qualifications in this field whatsoever. The man is either a moron, or deliberately trying to scare everyone into accepting this newco Hun in at the highest level he can. Which do we think it is?

 

IF the SFL clubs vote not to accept newco Rangers into any league, what are the next threats to be thrown their way from Doncaster et al?

[Lovecraft]

If that were the question asked Lovecraft then truth is the answer would be yes, because if a space becomes available due to promotion of either Dundee and Dunfermline then the SFL can accommodate them. But the question would be better phrased as "Will we accommodate them in the SPL". And the answer to that would have to be that they will if their package for application is deemed to be the most attractive. However, it would have to be submitted alongside any other potential applications and judged according to the existing rules. I say that while accepting there were always be an element of suspicion, if, for example 4 clubs indicated they want to fill the available space and the Chairmen go through each application and decide on Sevco, I would think the other three clubs would be a bit suspicious, probably for obvious reasons. But if it is all done in accordance with the rules, and Sevco are accepted into SFL3 I think we would just have to accept it, whether it is generally liked or not.

 

I have had an interesting discussion by email with an SPL chairman the last couple of nights, and this formed the basis of what we were talking about, and that was the gist of what he was saying, i.e. as long as it is all done by the existing rules then what will be will be, and i agreed with that.

 

 

If you watch the brief interview with Longmuir, he says the first question is: "Would" then he quickly changes it to "Are we in a position to accommodate...."

 

I think the answer will be yes they can, and then a further question will be asked "Where?"

 

I can't honestly see them getting into the first Division, but I don't know what the voting structure will be for that.

 

He also hints at league reconstruction, and talks about the beginning of next season. Make of that what you will.

 

If it done through existing rules, then they cannot just waltz into the First.

[Rick Grimes]

I'm not sure if I trust Longmuir or not, I'm edging towards not.

 

He represents one organisation in a huge number and hasn't made an impact to date.

 

Evidence of his previous altruism may placate me.

 

 

The fact he states that the SFL clubs have choices but he'll be making clear to them which one to choose doesn't file me with confidence

[Lovecraft]

Without having to troll through 800 odd pages, I take it we are not getting the Wallace money from the SPL seeing as the huns are not going to pay it then?

 

 

Unsurprisingly, nothing much has been said, as talking about it makes them look bad.

 

I would like to know what has happened to The Old Ranger's cash for league position last season.

[Mr. T]

They also make the very good point (as stated numerous times on this thread as well as by many journalists on twitter) that the documents so far given to the SFL clubs show the total loss of TV contracts. This is absolutely unrealistic. Claiming that the total loss of ALL money they would have received had Rangers been in the SPL is either naive in the extreme or deliberately trying to mislead fans, chairmen and the Scottish football public in general. This must surely go against Doncasters job description for a start. I say this without hesitation. I could do a better job than him at promoting Scottish football and maximising commercial revenue despite having no qualifications in this field whatsoever. The man is either a moron, or deliberately trying to scare everyone into accepting this newco Hun in at the highest level he can. Which do we think it is?

 

I wonder if Doncaster's contract for chairing the SPL is based on how much money he gets in terms of TV rights etc? Maybe he's trying to preserve that contract not for the good of the SPL clubs but his own paycheck.

 

Just a thought I had.

[Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC]

Doncaster is a complete *****. It's almost as important to make sure he goes as it is to get this Rangers situation resolved.

 

He simply has to go. There is no other option. Get Turnbull Hutton in to replace him.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Alan Partridge

[Lovecraft]

Doncaster is a complete *****. It's almost as important to make sure he goes as it is to get this Rangers situation resolved.

 

He simply has to go. There is no other option. Get Turnbull Hutton in to replace him.

 

 

Regan too.

 

The SFA should have came out as soon as they were denied re-entry to the SPL, and therefore losing their license, and said that they would have to apply to join the SFL as ....... get this.........

 

IF THEY WERE A NEW CLUB.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Lovecraft

[Lovecraft]

The fact he states that the SFL clubs have choices but he'll be making clear to them which one to choose doesn't file me with confidence

 

 

I didn't see it like that.

 

I saw it as he would make clear what choices they have, rather than which ones to choose.

 

I know it's not saying much, but I trust him far more than Doncaster or Regan. The SFL have a lot more to lose than the SPL. The SPL teams can cut players wages off the bill to survive and replace them with so called "lesser players" if fans stop going, but the SFL couldn't do that, they would be left with no players.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Lovecraft

[Rick Grimes]

I didn't see it like that.

 

I saw it as he would make clear what choices they have, rather than which ones to choose.

 

I know it's not saying much, but I trust him far more than Doncaster or Regan. The SFL have a lot more to lose than the SPL. The SPL teams can cut players wages off the bill to survive and replace them with so called "lesser players" if fans stop going, but the SFL couldn't do that, they would be left with no players.

 

 

Hopefully you're right. I've also got a nagging sensation that the wording of the first question may be designed to try to bounce them back to the SPL. Its clear that the best option for everyone, including Rangers, would be to see them sit out for a year and enter the new pyramid after that. Hutton might be able to lead that particular charge...

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Doncaster is a complete *****. It's almost as important to make sure he goes as it is to get this Rangers situation resolved.

 

He simply has to go. There is no other option. Get Turnbull Hutton in to replace him.

Agreed. The expose of the charlatans at the top level in Scottish football has been one of the more pleasing by-products of this farce.

[Texaco]

Fan power won the SPL vote and I suspect it will win the SFL vote for Div3. The board of every SFL club will do the same as SPL clubs and balance their own projected ?50k Stenhousemiur ? loss of revenue presented to them by the information pack against their project budget for 2012/13. The Fans will not matter in a monitory sense as SFL fans are hardened diehards low in numbers. So threats of boycotts will not be an issue. But and this is the big BUT small clubs are much more community based so Directors and fans sit very close on the terraces both physically and emotionally. Often on first name terms over a pint. The lower division supporters want Newco to come to their ground as it will be an occasion to look forward to and maybe just they will turn them over too. It?s a once in a lifetime opportunity for them. If their club can honestly ( now there?s a concept) afford it Fan power 2 should prevail and Newco will be in Div3.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

Beautiful. We are all Raith Rovers. Covers pretty much everything. They're clearly worried, as we all should be, that Sevco are going to get a place in the league and then everything - the Appellate Tribunal, dual contracts inquiry, oldco debts, big tax case, the lot - can be swept away with the assistance of the authorities. Putting them anywhere in the Scottish football structure before these things are finalised is short-sighted insanity.

 

Click the link to give their website some traffic. And while you're there, click on some of the ads too! Takes a few seconds.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

Beautiful. We are all Raith Rovers. Covers pretty much everything. They're clearly worried, as we all should be, that Sevco are going to get a place in the league and then everything - the Appellate Tribunal, dual contracts inquiry, oldco debts, big tax case, the lot - can be swept away with the assistance of the authorities. Putting them anywhere in the Scottish football structure before these things are finalised is short-sighted insanity.

 

Click the link to give their website some traffic. And while you're there, click on some of the ads too! Takes a few seconds.

Turnbull Hutton for SFA president!

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Turnbull Hutton for SFA president!

 

What a guy!

[southside1874]

As newco/oldco have been voted out the SPL then donkeyboy has nothing to do with the issue anymore. Well done Raith Rovers

 

Why are the SFL teams having to vote on accepting this outfit into any league?

 

This outfit had their chance. They have made a mess of it and are probably to blame for bringing Scottish football down a few pegs. Teams like Spartans have run their club well and competed at their level, waited patiently for their chance and deserve the opening.

 

We don't appear to reward effort in Scottish football. Regan has said the impact on Scottish society would be huge if newco didn't get a spot in the league. The impact will be bigger if we are seen to reward folk for carrying out their business in the wrong manner.

 

Rangers and Celtic are a way of life to a huge majority of their fans. They incite religious divide to an extreme. When I was working for a company at the start of the recession, the Rangers supporting gaffer of my department had to make redundancies. Every person made redundant was a Celtic fan!!!

 

We seriously have to take this opportunity to rid our country of this nonsense.

[DesertDawg]

It's a long way from Las Vegas to the nonsense going on in the SPL but a good buddy of mine on the East Coast was told by a Raith director today that there is only SFL3 for Newco. At least 25 clubs are railing against the SFA/SPL bullying tactics. Their fans are nearly 90% in favour of this followed by a reorganinzation of the ridiculous three SFA/SPL/SFL bodies into one new one with brand new management.

[VeraNT]

http://www.raithrovers.net/3998/sfl-special-general-meeting-friday-13th-july-2012.htm

 

Beautiful. We are all Raith Rovers. Covers pretty much everything. They're clearly worried, as we all should be, that Sevco are going to get a place in the league and then everything - the Appellate Tribunal, dual contracts inquiry, oldco debts, big tax case, the lot - can be swept away with the assistance of the authorities. Putting them anywhere in the Scottish football structure before these things are finalised is short-sighted insanity.

 

Click the link to give their website some traffic. And while you're there, click on some of the ads too! Takes a few seconds.

 

Of course the best Coleman-ball comes home to roost - " they will be dancing in the streets of Raith tonight" I love Raith Rovers.

[The Gasman]

This isn't an inducement. There's a Grand canyon of a dfference between this and what the criminals are dong.

 

It's not an attempt to persuade, or bully Raith how to vote. Raith have made it abundantly clear that they will vote no and have been absolutely open about it.

 

Their vote has already been cast and, perhaps, if you still see it that way, we could wait until after the vote to do the same for another club.

 

As I've said Colin, I actually agree with the sentiment, but....

 

Regardless of what's been said, before the vote actually takes place we, potentially, have one side offering an "inducement" for a vote one way, and another side offering a "thank you" for a vote the other way....

 

That makes me very uncomfortable.

[southside1874]

It's a long way from Las Vegas to the nonsense going on in the SPL but a good buddy of mine on the East Coast was told by a Raith director today that there is only SFL3 for Newco. At least 25 clubs are railing against the SFA/SPL bullying tactics. Their fans are nearly 90% in favour of this followed by a reorganinzation of the ridiculous three SFA/SPL/SFL bodies into one new one with brand new management.

The only vote the SFL clubs should be having is what team do we admit into the league. I have no doubt that some team from the West of Scotland will be admitted and they'll play their games at Ibrox but for the love of the game and fairness, this is how it should have been executed from the start. Rangers had a barefaced cheek taking the SPL to court about their initial punishment when you see what has transpired.

[VeraNT]

Turnbull Hutton for SFA president!

 

And we play Raith on the 14th July. A must attend game for Jam Tarts who are not on some foreign beach. That should be a party atmosphere. How cool would it be if the pre season friendly was a sell out.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

That Raith statement is hugely significant. It's the first time I've seen someone who matters really go after the potential ramifications of Sevco's fragile status. That angle could really gain some traction and I would expect other clubs to jump on that soon. It means they can move away from the charged sporting morality chat and just concentrate on real potential problems that need discussed and don't provoke emotional responses.

[southside1874]

I just can't work out why some team owners think about how much cash they could lose when the reality is that all teams would probably gain support in the long term if their towns and cities didn't have folk that supported Rangers and Celtic. If we broke this mentality that you had to show your religious allegiance by the team you supported.

 

Rangers have outgrown Scottish football. They need a different league to play in

[southside1874]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/positive-neil-lennon-labels-regan-s-prophecy-of-doom-as-unhelpful-1-2398203

 

Have Celtic woken up?

[vegas-voss]

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You know what i agree with him and for all his faults i have never heard Lennon belittle the game up here.

 

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[Biffa Bacon]

Good points from Raith Rovers, the whole thing is being unfairly compressed as time is extremely limited and in my opinion it further bullies each SFL club into making a descision, given the repeated stark (overstated) meltdown scenario.

 

But if we take a step back and think about why we are in this time restricted mess - because

1) old Rangers cheated, not paying tax NI, other debts, issues made worse by the continued media ineptadute in Scotland in such examples as confusing off the radar wealth, with corrupt, unable to tell the truth absolute chancer.

2)Duff and Duffers inconpetent ability to do their job - Administrate having from 14 Feb 2012 to get the situation sorted, and remember they were only in place because they were appointed by old Rangers owner, said chancer as above

3)Charles Green's (after an unbelievable undervalued buy out) continued We-will-decide nonsense, wasting time with a CVA that was never going to happen, not understanding basic rule and legislation such as TUPE, and expecting to be welcomed into the SPL because Scottish Football needs a strong Sevco 5088 mantra, again assisted by the weegie media.

 

In short evry fault has been caused by old Rangers/Sevco. So if the SFL clubs need time to assess their situation and get Legal advice, then they should be given it. If this means that Servco can not be accommodated in the SFL, then so be it. Give Spartans/Gala a slot in SFL3, shunt up each league and get on with the season. Consider Sevcos application over the year to get something in place for 13/14, that has been through consultation including fans input, into the best way forward for Scottish Football in good time for the start of the season, rather than this ? arsed knee-jerk scenario that we have now.

[Munch]

Saturday, July 07, 2012Rangers newco: The wrath of Raith

In a football story jammed with villains, Raith Rovers have offered up one of the few men to be hailed as a heroe.

 

Director Turnbull Hutton has consistently called out the SFA and the SPL on their bullying and their half truths.

 

It was Hutton spoke of "corruption" on the steps of Hampden, the parish councillor taking the fight to the doors of Westminster.

 

On Friday evening Raith released a statement regarding next week's SFL vote.

 

It should make the SPL and the SFA - and anyone who does actually care about Scottish football - uncomfortable.

 

Note the focus on the question of Rangers' ownership. As far as I'm aware this is the first time any other club has expressed concern about the medium term viability of the Duff and Phelps/Charles Green carve up of the oldco's assets.

 

Perhaps nothing more than conjecture. But as I mentioned last week Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster are taking an even bigger risk in so heavily pushing for the First Division compromise if they are not absolutely certain of the sustainability of the new Rangers ownership.

Attention is also brought - as it should be by each and everyone of us - to the essential cowardice of the SPL voting "no" and then shutting up shop, refusing to disown their own chief executives tactics and offering no support to the SFL clubs.

 

The Raith statement in full:

 

The club has this evening received the notice of resolutions to be voted on next Friday and we are told to expect an information pack at some time next week. We hope that this pack will present a more balanced report to SFL member clubs than they have so far received.

 

At last Tuesday?s meeting, financial information provided by Neil Doncaster showed an unrealistic worst case scenario. It showed the impact of potential total loss of 3 TV contracts, all of which had been inexplicably agreed on the basis that the broadcaster could walk away if either Rangers or Celtic were not in the SPL. His information did not, however, set out the potentially positive impact of negotiating replacement contracts with other broadcasters or alternatively the much mentioned possibility of launching SPL TV (which we understand could have been launched within a matter of months).

 

Mr Doncaster warned SFL members that if these contracts were indeed lost, this would mean the annual payment to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement would either be greatly reduced or not paid at all. Raith Rovers FC believes this not to be the case, and that the SPL would remain both contractually obliged and able to pay the ?1.9m ? ?2m annual sum, even in that worst case scenario. We call upon the SFL Board to clarify its view on this vital point urgently, before club boards finalise their positions on these important votes.

 

We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and/or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco. Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL?s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division.

 

Without all of this information, and the opportunity for clubs to further discuss these issues on a fully informed basis amongst themselves before the formal SGM, in a similar format to last Tuesday?s meeting, we are concerned that the fairness and transparency of the process itself is at risk of being compromised.

 

Raith Rovers FC will consider its stance with regard to attendance at this meeting once we receive the information from the SFL.

 

From www.raithrovers.net

[Budgie.]

I Was in same hotel as him at the Real Mallorca game he said Jim Maclean tried to work him over but he stood up to the challenge he is a good guy he was close to 10 years at Hearts and a testimonial.

Chest pumping aside he held up the Big Cup for us

 

[2NaFish]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/positive-neil-lennon-labels-regan-s-prophecy-of-doom-as-unhelpful-1-2398203

 

Have Celtic woken up?

 

As much as i dislike Neil Lennon, he's a winner and a makes lemonade when given lemons. Whilst it's undoubtedly better for celtic to have rangers back quicker, Lennon is no lapdog.

[Munch]

Reading that, it makes me think how unfair what Rangers have done. In terms of us, we sold Wallace to Rangers, they have got him for half the price then defaulted on the other half and yet still have him for the next season. How on earth can that be fair. I know its been covered before but its wrong.

 

 

So 900k due to Rapid Vienna and 800k due to us that is 1.7 million in FOOTBALL DEBT This debt surely has to be paid before they are allowed back in the league division 3.Its strange that Doncaster and Regan are not making any noises about this

 

Liquidation or not these debts must be paid from either there share of tv revenue or from the money due to them for finishing 2nd in the league, There payment which every member club is due on 1st August for some figure over 600k should be withheld and used to pay of football debt.

[McCrae]

Great statement from Raith. So far no attempt has been made by the SFL/SFA on how things could be made to work without Rangers in either the SPL or Div 1.

 

We could find that incomes for the average club go up with a more even distribution of tv and prize money.

 

The money we receive from TV is so poor, why would it drop to Zero. Other options are available and have not been discussed. SPL TV potentially could bring in huge money for he league.

 

The league could control all rights to TV revenues including Internet based channels and then redistributed the money. You don't need that many subscribers to raise more money than the current deal.

 

 

It's pretty clear that Celtic will be the worst effected by the changes coming, which I think is another great news story for Scottish Football.

 

 

To me what has happened to Rangers was needed to save Scottish Football from its current downward spiral.

[Munch]

Its getting a bit desperate now for Mr Green and his shady backers offering der hun fans the chance to own half of Newco/Sevco

 

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green to give fans chance to own half of Ibrox club with new share issue

 

Jul 7 2012 By Chris Roberts

 

 

Charles Green at Ibrox following purchase of Rangers

 

CHARLES GREEN is set to keep his promise to Rangers fans ? by giving them the chance to own half the club.

 

Many supporters questioned Green?s reasons for buying the stricken club for ?5.5million and some have backed consortiums fronted by Walter Smith and John Brown. But a stockbroker is now due to arrive from London next week to help the club launch a share issue.

 

And an Ibrox source said: ?We?re going to announce shares will be offered for sale to supporters and this proves what we said at the start.

 

?We?re bringing a stockbroker up from London. People can come to the ground and register if they want a share.

 

?They will be given the opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone else and if they buy all that are available to them, they will own 50 per cent of the club.

 

?Contrary to what some claim, we?re going to do a lot of things we said we?d do and more besides. Things that are not yet public.?

[Biffa Bacon]

Its getting a bit desperate now for Mr Green and his shady backers offering der hun fans the chance to own half of Newco/Sevco

 

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green to give fans chance to own half of Ibrox club with new share issue

 

Jul 7 2012 By Chris Roberts

 

 

Charles Green at Ibrox following purchase of Rangers

 

CHARLES GREEN is set to keep his promise to Rangers fans ? by giving them the chance to own half the club.

 

Many supporters questioned Green?s reasons for buying the stricken club for ?5.5million and some have backed consortiums fronted by Walter Smith and John Brown. But a stockbroker is now due to arrive from London next week to help the club launch a share issue.

 

And an Ibrox source said: ?We?re going to announce shares will be offered for sale to supporters and this proves what we said at the start.

 

?We?re bringing a stockbroker up from London. People can come to the ground and register if they want a share.

 

?They will be given the opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone else and if they buy all that are available to them, they will own 50 per cent of the club.

 

?Contrary to what some claim, we?re going to do a lot of things we said we?d do and more besides. Things that are not yet public.?

Do you think that "if they buy all that are available to them" would equate to more than the ?5.5M that he has paid/lent to them?

 

Also " opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone" thats a real selling point that will start a stampede. NOT

[davieholt]

Do you think that "if they buy all that are available to them" would equate to more than the ?5.5M that he has paid/lent to them?

 

Also " opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone" thats a real selling point that will start a stampede. NOT

 

You are forgetting that he is bringing up a stockbroker from London. !!

 

Presumably none of the stockbrokers in Glasgow / Edinburgh are stupid enough to do the job ?

[dougc]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/positive-neil-lennon-labels-regan-s-prophecy-of-doom-as-unhelpful-1-2398203

 

Have Celtic woken up?

 

 

When even Lennon can emit a relatively positive statement about the whole fiasco what more evidence is required to charge Doncaster and Regan with bringing the game into disrepute.

 

Their public face has surely deterred spectators, sponsors and all non-Scottish media from having any future interest in our great sport.

[Munch]

Reading some of the stuff that Regan is spouting is unbeleivable this man SHOULD BE FIRED. :verymad:

 

 

 

Rangers manager Ally McCoist does not want to play in the Third Division but admits it would give him a better chance to rebuild the club.

 

McCoist fears the Ibrox newco may have to start life in the First Division under transfer embargo ? a situation he called ?madness?.

 

The club say they lost 11 players who refused to transfer their contracts after Rangers went into liquidation and McCoist called for an end to the ?punishment?.

 

Scottish Football League clubs will vote whether to accept the newco club next Friday with the First Division looking the likely destination after Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan said he could not allow the financial consequences of the Govan club re-launching in the Third.

 

McCoist said: ?I have had something in the region of six players turn up for pre-season training.

 

Two of them would be considered regulars last year.

 

?We have to rebuild, so SFL3 would give us a better chance to rebuild.?

 

McCoist says he will accept whatever the SFL decide but pointed out that most Rangers fans want the Third Division.

 

?The vast majority of SPL chairmen have been listening to their supporters, which is great, I?m all for it,? he said.

 

?We had a meeting with our supporters this week and the vast majority of them ? in the region of 75-80% ? have said, ?enough is enough, let?s go to SFL3?.

 

?Our good friends at Celtic across the city issued a statement that stated that integrity was of paramount importance to Scottish football and we totally agree with that, and I would imagine the vast majority of all SPL chairmen agree with that statement.?

 

Regan has insisted he cannot let the new Rangers kick off in the Third Division or the game will face a ?slow, lingering death?.

 

McCoist responded: ?Is the financial situation more important than the massive integrity and honesty of the Scottish game?

 

?Stewart Regan is entitled to his opinion. Short term we don?t want to be in SFL3 but we will accept the punishment.?

 

But McCoist continued: ?We have been deducted 10 points, we were fined ?160,000, we had our Champions League place taken away from us, we are out of Europe for another three years. That?s quite a lot at the moment.

 

?I think now is perhaps the time to say ?okay, we have been punished?.

 

?We have all suffered enough. Everyone in Scottish football has suffered.?

[Das Root]

Its getting a bit desperate now for Mr Green and his shady backers offering der hun fans the chance to own half of Newco/Sevco

 

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green to give fans chance to own half of Ibrox club with new share issue

 

Jul 7 2012 By Chris Roberts

 

 

Charles Green at Ibrox following purchase of Rangers

 

CHARLES GREEN is set to keep his promise to Rangers fans ? by giving them the chance to own half the club.

 

Many supporters questioned Green?s reasons for buying the stricken club for ?5.5million and some have backed consortiums fronted by Walter Smith and John Brown. But a stockbroker is now due to arrive from London next week to help the club launch a share issue.

 

And an Ibrox source said: ?We?re going to announce shares will be offered for sale to supporters and this proves what we said at the start.

 

?We?re bringing a stockbroker up from London. People can come to the ground and register if they want a share.

 

?They will be given the opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone else and if they buy all that are available to them, they will own 50 per cent of the club.

 

?Contrary to what some claim, we?re going to do a lot of things we said we?d do and more besides. Things that are not yet public.?

 

Translation: "we have no cash, please give us cash".

[Tommy Wiseau]

Me, on the same side as Neil Lennon and Steven Pressley? Backing everything they have said?

 

Stop the world, I want to get off

 

Seriously, great statements from them and Hutton as well. It seems most people can see what is going on except those in charge of the Scottish game, the vultures picking at the corpse of Rangers and the mainstream media. Incredible.

 

Imagine the chief executive of the Premiership came out and said that without Man United, the game would die? He'd be sacked on the spot for damaging the brand he is supposed to develop, and rightly so. It honestly beggars belief.

[Victor Meldrew]

As much as i dislike Neil Lennon, he's a winner and a makes lemonade when given lemons. Whilst it's undoubtedly better for celtic to have rangers back quicker, Lennon is no lapdog.

 

I was particularly impressed by last season's treble

[portobellojambo1]

So 900k due to Rapid Vienna and 800k due to us that is 1.7 million in FOOTBALL DEBT This debt surely has to be paid before they are allowed back in the league division 3.Its strange that Doncaster and Regan are not making any noises about this

 

Liquidation or not these debts must be paid from either there share of tv revenue or from the money due to them for finishing 2nd in the league, There payment which every member club is due on 1st August for some figure over 600k should be withheld and used to pay of football debt.

 

The former Rangers are due a lot more than that in football debt, you have only mentioned two clubs. They are due money to a number of Scottish clubs, a number of English clubs (three are due almost ?1 milion between them, Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea, but there are others) and additional money to a number of European clubs, stretching from Sweden to Sicily..

 

It is very easy for Charles Green to come out and say we will pay these debts, my response to that, if I were in charge, would be, pay these, show us the evidence they have been paid and then we can discuss things.

[The Real Maroonblood]

Me, on the same side as Neil Lennon and Steven Pressley? Backing everything they have said?

 

Stop the world, I want to get off

 

Seriously, great statements from them and Hutton as well. It seems most people can see what is going on except those in charge of the Scottish game, the vultures picking at the corpse of Rangers and the mainstream media. Incredible.

 

Imagine the chief executive of the Premiership came out and said that without Man United, the game would die? He'd be sacked on the spot for damaging the brand he is supposed to develop, and rightly so. It honestly beggars belief.

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