Boris Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Take out the whole cash matter. Do the rest of you agree that Scotland is her own country? A seprate nation who should have it's own football team, national identidy? Then surely she should have the power to make decisions for themselves? It's time to stand on our two feet and release our potential as a nation. I believe that Scotland is a country within a country, a state within a state. I would love you to explain to me what the national identity is, because the one of Gaelic, tartan and Highland games is certainly not my identity, and never has been. We have the ability to make our own decisions, we can stand on our own two feet. Holyrood lets us. The problem with devolution though, is that it wasn't distributed equitabily around the rest of the UK. Had it been then I doubt there would as much being made of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southlondonjambo Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 It's little wonder there's no appetite for Scottish independence - why get a job and pay for anything yourself when you can live a tax free high life with free everything while someone else foots the bill? (though strangely no qualms about dishing out beatings to kids or elderly disabled men in England shirts)..... http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/03/why-scotland-is.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/11/14/do1401.xml http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/39889/English-pay-up-so-Scots-can-get-cheap-medicine 'Great' Britain indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammyheart Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Everyone tells us that Scotland is too poor to stand on its own feet and we will always require an English subsidy. Fact Scotland has 8.6% of the UK population yet raises 10.41% of all UK tax revenues. (Source Treasury red Book 2002) Go figure it out for yourself. Exactly who is subsidising who? Scotland could not survive without the Barnet formula handout from England. AYE RIGHT:rolleyes: The Barnett Formula is nothing more than a device which gives Scotland some of its own pocket money out of Scotlands pay packet which is taken by England. In 2002, Scotland contributed ?42.7Billions to the UK Exchequer and received ?18.1 Billions doled back in return via Barnet. It would be a much better idea to keep the ?42.7 Billions as an Independent Country. Still more than we get now and thats back in 2002. If you want a wee read heres somethin. http://www.scottishpolitics.org/scotching/greatdeception.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southlondonjambo Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 so why not then vote for independence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo121 Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 You go on about democracy...then attack PR. Make your mind up - do you want democracy or first past the post? You said that the only way the nats got in was due to PR, which is true. The reason they got in is because the majority of Scots VOTED FOR them. If that's not democracy then I don't know what is. Im afraid like most of the nats you have your figures wrong. Firstly the majority of Scot's never voted. Secondly the nats polled 640000 votes out of a total of 2 million votes, 16,000 more than Labour and less than the Lib Dems and the Tories polled combined not quite a majority of Scot's you may want to reconsider that last post. Now where is the proportional representation in that. PS don't forget the 100,000 lost votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Arguing about political parties is like arguing about which serial killer you'd prefer to bum you and kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammyheart Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 so why not then vote for independence? I do my bit, but for generations the scottish people have been fed lies and scaremongered eg.(If SNP got into power we would be ?500 or ?5000 worse off cant remember but i`m sure someone will correct me but I`m not worse off)its all fear politics from the Unoinist parties and the media but things are changing. The Scottish public do not know because the unionist parties kept it hush in the late 70`s WHY would the UK government seek to hold on to something that gave them nothing???ask yourself that and why not shout for your own independence;) if we`re subsidised junkies ,I`ve gave you the figures thats why you lot need us more than we need you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 It's little wonder there's no appetite for Scottish independence - why get a job and pay for anything yourself when you can live a tax free high life with free everything while someone else foots the bill? (though strangely no qualms about dishing out beatings to kids or elderly disabled men in England shirts)..... http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/03/why-scotland-is.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/11/14/do1401.xml http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/39889/English-pay-up-so-Scots-can-get-cheap-medicine 'Great' Britain indeed.... I believe that ultimately it will be the English that effectively 'vote' on Scottish Independence. It's a way street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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