Tommy Wiseau Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Did they? Fair enough if i'm wrong. How did that work then seeing as they were hosts? Fair play. Atlas for the lad stat, plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Did they? Fair enough if i'm wrong. How did that work then seeing as they were hosts? Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Atlas for the lad stat, plz He'd probably enjoy a globe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Ryan and Francis, When you go up town on a Saturday night (assuming you are old enough), do you go looking for trouble? No? I thought not, so why do you constantly come onto JKB firing the abuse, sarcasm and harassment? Any particular reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edin1874 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Lets be honest, if Norway, Mexico, Sebia, Wales Etc were all is the knock out stages and Holland. Germany. Italy were sent home as their groups were nuts, I can guarantee you nearly everyone would be bored shitless of this new system and would be moaning their arse's off. Have you any idea of the amount of viewers that Brazil, Argentina, Germany pull in at a WC? Its Johnny Marr standing at the mixing desk saying "I have a new song called Big Mouth Strikes Again" - its that huge. The Euro's is an interesting one though as due to the amount of teams that are in it - I think they could just pull them out of a hat. There is no such thing as a 'nuts' group - other than one that is pre-manufactured and pre-determined simply to try and get certain teams through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Feel free to point out any abuse or harrassment from me thanks. Perhaps you could start by looking in Lisbon, Greece. :greggy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Feel free to point out any abuse or harrassment from me thanks. Perhaps you could start by looking in Lisbon, Greece. :greggy: I thought it was held in Greece - who gives a shit! Big effin deal. i8hibsh got something as innocuous as a tournament host wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 I was thinking of the Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barca-Milton Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Here, I don't post enough to even know who you are, but you are totally right. This is why we will never EVER get to the quarter finals in Europe (other than the fact were gash too) I know that if were in Europe, we'll draw a crap side, who will give us a run for our money, then a fringe crackpot side. e.g. Hammarby then Spartak Moscow......what chance have you got. Fifa fair play? Fifa farce play more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I was thinking of the Olympics Fair enough. We're all looking forward to the Euros in London next year. :'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I actually agree with iLOVEhibs here, seedings are a lot of pish. Every team in a tournament should be drawn out of the pot, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I8 spouts a lot of pish, most of it hits the rim and makes an awfy mess of the place. But sometimes, just occasionally, some of that pish hits the target and the points made in the OP are a rare example of him getting it right. I don't watch the champion's league regularly and have maybe caught about three games in the last five or six years, it's more of a yearly wealth creation cartel than anything else and exhibits everything that is wrong with football. Teams who finish fourth in their league are not the champions of anything, it should only be the league winners and no-one else. Seeding is rank, if you've designs on winning the tournament it shouldn't matter if you face the best teams in the first round or the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edin1874 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 How do the voting rights work in UEFA ? I imagine each country gets a vote ? If so then why don't all the smaller countries get together and get seeding removed from these competitions ? Can't see why not. Would benefit far more of their teams. Why wouldn't they do this ? Unless of course they are being 'persuaded' not to by certain people/groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The problem here lies in the assumption - natural, of course - that professional football is a sport. But at top level, it isn't; it ceased to be a sport long ago, when it effectively became too big and too popular for its own good. Is it a business instead? Well, the aim of business is to make money - and most top football clubs lose it hand over fist, no matter how much TV or CL cash they receive. But if we accept that it's a business of sorts, sorry, but it stands to reason that those who invest in the biggest clubs want to be able to plan ahead, make financial projections for the future and so on. That's the problem with sport: by its very nature, it's unpredictable, and the wealthy businessmen who buy the biggest clubs and spend ludicrous amounts on bringing in the best players can't be dealing with that at all. On top of that, football's boom developed so rapidly during the 1990s and around the turn of the century, and its clubs started spending such insane amounts, that if you were to try and reverse the clock and bring back the old style European Cup now, or even just get rid of seedings, you'd run a very large risk of many of the sport's most famous names going to the wall. They can't afford to be without CL cash; the game can't afford to push its biggest clubs into oblivion. And it also can't afford for a bunch of elite clubs to create their own, closed league: which is precisely what they'd do if UEFA pissed them off too much. Similarly, anyone who still thinks of the World Cup as some Corinthian "may the best team win" kind of tournament clearly hasn't been paying much attention to who runs it: FIFA are the most corrupt organisation international sport has ever known: so corrupt that they don't even try to hide it. FIFA are all about money, money and more money; and the problem with an open draw is it would allow for a final which would be a TV turn-off. And that's just not what FIFA are about. None of this is to say that I like it; not a bit of it. But it is where we are, and it's quite impossible to turn back time. Football became a bloated, elephantine, so over-commercialised it started gorging on itself monstrosity at least two decades ago now; and the process essentially had its origins in Joao Havelange becoming President of FIFA in 1974. From that point on, mammon, not competition, became the ethos of the game; and saddest of all is that, for all the millions of old style fans who hate what it's become, there are many more millions around the world who love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 First it was the wrestling, now football, Shaun. The likes of Rowdy Roddy Piper could never make it in these cut-throat moneygrabbing days. Heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 To maximise the chances of the best 2 teams actually meeting each other in the final, not game 1 and devaluing the entire tournament as a result. Surely the 2 teams in the final are the best because they made it errrr to the final ? As it stands in my eyes the tournament is devalued as it is with bigger teams frightened to play each other in the early rounds . fecking hate seeding always have , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The problem here lies in the assumption - natural, of course - that professional football is a sport. But at top level, it isn't; it ceased to be a sport long ago, when it effectively became too big and too popular for its own good. Is it a business instead? Well, the aim of business is to make money - and most top football clubs lose it hand over fist, no matter how much TV or CL cash they receive. But if we accept that it's a business of sorts, sorry, but it stands to reason that those who invest in the biggest clubs want to be able to plan ahead, make financial projections for the future and so on. That's the problem with sport: by its very nature, it's unpredictable, and the wealthy businessmen who buy the biggest clubs and spend ludicrous amounts on bringing in the best players can't be dealing with that at all. On top of that, football's boom developed so rapidly during the 1990s and around the turn of the century, and its clubs started spending such insane amounts, that if you were to try and reverse the clock and bring back the old style European Cup now, or even just get rid of seedings, you'd run a very large risk of many of the sport's most famous names going to the wall. They can't afford to be without CL cash; the game can't afford to push its biggest clubs into oblivion. And it also can't afford for a bunch of elite clubs to create their own, closed league: which is precisely what they'd do if UEFA pissed them off too much. Similarly, anyone who still thinks of the World Cup as some Corinthian "may the best team win" kind of tournament clearly hasn't been paying much attention to who runs it: FIFA are the most corrupt organisation international sport has ever known: so corrupt that they don't even try to hide it. FIFA are all about money, money and more money; and the problem with an open draw is it would allow for a final which would be a TV turn-off. And that's just not what FIFA are about. None of this is to say that I like it; not a bit of it. But it is where we are, and it's quite impossible to turn back time. Football became a bloated, elephantine, so over-commercialised it started gorging on itself monstrosity at least two decades ago now; and the process essentially had its origins in Joao Havelange becoming President of FIFA in 1974. From that point on, mammon, not competition, became the ethos of the game; and saddest of all is that, for all the millions of old style fans who hate what it's become, there are many more millions around the world who love it. Superb post, Shaun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 First it was the wrestling, now football, Shaun. The likes of Rowdy Roddy Piper could never make it in these cut-throat moneygrabbing days. Heartbreaking. That's about the size of it, yes. Take the English Premier League as an example. Richard Scudamore is loathed by fans; but lauded within the league's corridors. Because he's succeeded in his remit: he's built the brand. That's what the self-styled 'Greatest League In The World' is all about: it's a brand, so successful that it even has an instantly recognisable acronym. So now, there are millions of fans of "EPL" clubs all over the world; fans who make even someone like me seem old school. They congregate in bars or in front of their TV sets every weekend; they'll all know the EPL's international theme tune (Kasabian's Fire) off by heart. But the only time they'll ever see their idols in the flesh is when they come visiting the US or Far East for a pre-season friendly. It's the international TV rights where the EPL makes all its readies: this is the new market it's seeking to exploit. From a commercial point of view, it's been a staggering success, just like WWE, indeed; from a sporting point of view... well, who cares? Sporting considerations ended a long time ago; that's the whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I thought it was held in Greece - who gives a shit! Big effin deal. i8hibsh got something as innocuous as a tournament host wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 He thinks it's not a big deal - just think what the tourism money could have done for their ailing economy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 He thinks it's not a big deal - just think what the tourism money could have done for their ailing economy now. Dunno what all the fuss is about really. Greece had already won the European Championship by beating heavily fancied opponents 1-0 on foreign soil in the final: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Surely the 2 teams in the final are the best because they made it errrr to the final ? As it stands in my eyes the tournament is devalued as it is with bigger teams frightened to play each other in the early rounds . fecking hate seeding always have , No, the best 2 teams could easily meet in round 1, leaving the best team to only play lesser teams on the way to winning the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Were Poland and Ukraine not top seeds (pot) for the Euro draw last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edin1874 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The problem here lies in the assumption - natural, of course - that professional football is a sport. But at top level, it isn't; it ceased to be a sport long ago, when it effectively became too big and too popular for its own good. Is it a business instead? Well, the aim of business is to make money - and most top football clubs lose it hand over fist, no matter how much TV or CL cash they receive. But if we accept that it's a business of sorts, sorry, but it stands to reason that those who invest in the biggest clubs want to be able to plan ahead, make financial projections for the future and so on. That's the problem with sport: by its very nature, it's unpredictable, and the wealthy businessmen who buy the biggest clubs and spend ludicrous amounts on bringing in the best players can't be dealing with that at all. On top of that, football's boom developed so rapidly during the 1990s and around the turn of the century, and its clubs started spending such insane amounts, that if you were to try and reverse the clock and bring back the old style European Cup now, or even just get rid of seedings, you'd run a very large risk of many of the sport's most famous names going to the wall. They can't afford to be without CL cash; the game can't afford to push its biggest clubs into oblivion. And it also can't afford for a bunch of elite clubs to create their own, closed league: which is precisely what they'd do if UEFA pissed them off too much. Similarly, anyone who still thinks of the World Cup as some Corinthian "may the best team win" kind of tournament clearly hasn't been paying much attention to who runs it: FIFA are the most corrupt organisation international sport has ever known: so corrupt that they don't even try to hide it. FIFA are all about money, money and more money; and the problem with an open draw is it would allow for a final which would be a TV turn-off. And that's just not what FIFA are about. None of this is to say that I like it; not a bit of it. But it is where we are, and it's quite impossible to turn back time. Football became a bloated, elephantine, so over-commercialised it started gorging on itself monstrosity at least two decades ago now; and the process essentially had its origins in Joao Havelange becoming President of FIFA in 1974. From that point on, mammon, not competition, became the ethos of the game; and saddest of all is that, for all the millions of old style fans who hate what it's become, there are many more millions around the world who love it. Er - the point of the original poster was that the seeding system is piss. He wasn't looking for the reasons behind it. We all know this already. But thanks for the above anyway. No, the best 2 teams could easily meet in round 1, leaving the best team to only play lesser teams on the way to winning the final. No - because as one goes out they never were the best two teams in the competition. It is not possible in this particular competition. I assume you understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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