Robbo-Jambo Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Sutton was poor imo No he wasnt imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 He is regularly supported on here. Absolutely dreadful player, I seriously struggle to think of a centre back that has played more than the odd game for us that was worse. He isn't good enough for Hearts and isn't good enough to be a regular centre back for Inverness Caledonian Thistle. I don't think he has many "supporters" just some who defend him against the absurd extremes of some of his critics. If he is the worst centre back ever to play for us and the worst in the SPL then he must have some defence and midfield covering for him and delivering the second best defensive record this season and (in those games he played) one of the best last season. And don't give me the "it's all down to Kello" line - he is good but not that good, and has had to cope with very few shots on target in recent games - all of 2 yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Sutton was poor imo Complete and utter horseshit. I don't think he has many "supporters" just some who defend him against the absurd extremes of some of his critics. If he is the worst centre back ever to play for us and the worst in the SPL then he must have some defence and midfield covering for him and delivering the second best defensive record this season and (in those games he played) one of the best last season. And don't give me the "it's all down to Kello" line - he is good but not that good, and has had to cope with very few shots on target in recent games - all of 2 yesterday. I'll respond to you in a similar fashion re Zaliukas. Our defensive record is down to team efforts, not any individual. I happen to believe we have been good defensively in spite of Zaliukas. I will say it again, remembering the bits you left out, that Zaliukas is the worst defender I have seen play with any degree of regularity for Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 'zaliukas is the worst ever hearts CH' chat. and it still comes from people who you would otherwise categorise as knowing a bit about football. can understand it coming from the background noise element but the fact it's routinely trooped out from people who appear to know a bit is absolutely mystifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Kello - 7 - one vital save Hamill - 3 - I think he was involved in the build up to the winner and that was the first and only good thing he did Webster - 4 - casual and careless, distribution appalling Zaliukas - 4 - two terrible lapses of concentration, it's not good enough McGowan - 8 - out of position but terrific attitude Skacel - 6 - upped workrate in second half and another great finish Jonsson - 6 - much better when more advanced Obua - 6 - always on the fringes but did OK Stevenson - 4 - anonymous, could do with a seat on the bench Templeton - 5 - cuts inside and runs into a brick wall, hits the byeline and creates a goal - lesson to be learnt? Sutton - 6 - better workrate than earlier in the season but lacked support Mrowiec - 6 - has zero flair but knows how to play the defensive midfield role Taouil - 5 - good sub to bring on when we need to keep the ball Robinson - on for two minutes and nearly got an assist, I really like the wee man, in fact I think we all do I saw him cut inside a few times, not always into a brick wall, on occassion he got a shot away as he always does every game. Only a matter of time before they start going in for him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I used to be a massive critic of Zaliukas, I genuinely hated him at one point, but I think he's progressed as a player. There is no denying his concentration levels are absolutely ridiculous but he showed how important he is when he was dropped, we were all over the shop. From what I've heard he's a good captain as well. He's off though so it's time to look to the future but he's a decent player who'll probably end up at a decent club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Times are bad when I'd prefer Barasa to Hamill..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 So you don't remember Steve Hamilton, or Colin More, or Stuart Gauld, or Brian McNiell? My my! Steve Hamilton was v good for most of his time with us More and Mcneil were central defenders (crappy central defenders) Agreed Gauld was mince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Steve Hamilton was v good for most of his time with us More and Mcneil were central defenders (crappy central defenders) Agreed Gauld was mince Hamilton was very lightweight, was freed, and struggled at East Fife. Shame, as I had high hopes for him. The late Bobby Robinson played right back a lot in 80/81, while Moncur insisted on playing Kidd in midfield. McNiell was a utility man who could play accross the back four, and in midfield - I'm sure that most of his games for us were at right-back, though - our centre-half pairing that season (81/82) was Roddie McDonald and Stuart McLaren. More was a centre half, but he did play at right-back as well - my God, we were terrible in 80/81! Gauld was a big streak of pishy water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I know this won't be popular, but, Marius Zaliukas is one of the worst footballers I have seen appear in a Hearts jersey with any degree of regularity. A truly awful football player that is ridiculously supported on here, He is regularly supported on here. Absolutely dreadful player, I seriously struggle to think of a centre back that has played more than the odd game for us that was worse. He isn't good enough for Hearts and isn't good enough to be a regular centre back for Inverness Caledonian Thistle. Bang on the money BH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Sutton cant win, lots of posters saying the Caley lads had their hands all over him yet complain that he cant head the ball, as anyone who has played football at any level will tell you only the slightest of challenges will spoil your contact to the extent of missing by metres rather than hitting the back of the net. Would be fairer to criticise misplaced free headers by him, his flick on for the goal was perfect and that was a free header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Sutton cant win, lots of posters saying the Caley lads had their hands all over him yet complain that he cant head the ball, as anyone who has played football at any level will tell you only the slightest of challenges will spoil your contact to the extent of missing by metres rather than hitting the back of the net. Would be fairer to criticise misplaced free headers by him, his flick on for the goal was perfect and that was a free header. His assist for the goal notwithstanding, Sutton doesn't look like a player with much aerial ability. Holds the ball in quite well though, and I think he'd finish quite well too, given half a chance to gain some sharpness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Complete and utter horseshit. I'll respond to you in a similar fashion re Zaliukas. Our defensive record is down to team efforts, not any individual. I happen to believe we have been good defensively in spite of Zaliukas. I will say it again, remembering the bits you left out, that Zaliukas is the worst defender I have seen play with any degree of regularity for Hearts. So who are these defenders who are doing a superb job in maintaing close to the best defensive record in the league despite being effectively a man short (or having a ticking time bomb in their midst?) And who are "Zal's supporters"? Anyone who doesn't join in when he is wrongly blamed for us conceding a goal? I can honestly never remember anyone suggesting Zal was more than an average centre back or naming him as one of their favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 So who are these defenders who are doing a superb job in maintaing close to the best defensive record in the league despite being effectively a man short (or having a ticking time bomb in their midst?) And who are "Zal's supporters"? Anyone who doesn't join in when he is wrongly blamed for us conceding a goal? I can honestly never remember anyone suggesting Zal was more than an average centre back or naming him as one of their favourites. Marian Kello Jamie MacDonald Danny Grainger Ryan McGowan Jamie Hamill Andrew Webster Eggert Jonsson Adrian Mrowiec Ian Black Ta. As for the the last bit, you don't honestly think I have some sort of list, do you? I will not apologise for you not seeing such comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 FWIW Sutton was helper in the 2 goals Header on for Skacel for the 1st, and for the 2nd goal his shot was palmed out by the keeper leading to the resulting corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I know this won't be popular, but, Marius Zaliukas is one of the worst footballers I have seen appear in a Hearts jersey with any degree of regularity. A truly awful football player that is ridiculously supported on here, There's so much wrong with this. given the persistent downscoring of our captain on this thread, it has to win the "Crowd-Pleaser Dressed as Something Else" award of the week. Webster almost sold 2 penalties, was twice saved by Kello and couldn't judge the flight of a high ball all day, preferring to cause panic by letting the ball bounce first yet he has been consistently scored higher than Zal (I do like Webster though) Zal won every header that came within range and had one dodgy moment when he strode forward early in the game There's not a single centreback in the SPL that I would swop him for (even though Tokely had an outstanding game at centre half for Caley Thistle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I know this won't be popular, but, Marius Zaliukas is one of the worst footballers I have seen appear in a Hearts jersey with any degree of regularity. A truly awful football player that is ridiculously supported on here, My dad begins, when talking about him, by saying 'After supporting Hearts for X number of years, he's one of the poorest players I've seen, and the worst candidate for Captain...' Which I agree with. He always pushes the ball too far in front of him, tries too hard at being a midfielder by driving forward and opening up space behind him for a quick counter when he looses the ball. I wasn't at the game but by all accounts it was another poor performance from him. Not surprised. Sooner he goes the better. Seen Skacel's goal and his link up with Sutton, and I'm rather nervous about loosing him in January. Surely a reduced deal to see him through to May is in both parties best interests? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Seen Skacel's goal and his link up with Sutton, and I'm rather nervous about loosing him in January. Surely a reduced deal to see him through to May is in both parties best interests? No? Will be gutted if/when Skacel leaves. He could've had a 2nd goal near the end there (it's on the highlights) David Obua's shot went wide, and all he had to do was square it and Skacel had a tap in. Skacel's movement is fantastic, always in the right place at the right time. He's got another 2 or 3 years no bother at this level. Does anybody know if we are going to keep him until May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 There's so much wrong with this. given the persistent downscoring of our captain on this thread, it has to win the "Crowd-Pleaser Dressed as Something Else" award of the week. Webster almost sold 2 penalties, was twice saved by Kello and couldn't judge the flight of a high ball all day, preferring to cause panic by letting the ball bounce first yet he has been consistently scored higher than Zal (I do like Webster though) Zal won every header that came within range and had one dodgy moment when he strode forward early in the game There's not a single centreback in the SPL that I would swop him for (even though Tokely had an outstanding game at centre half for Caley Thistle) Point 4, you are either blind or never attend SPL football. FRANCIS ALBERT- Please read the above post, most specifically point 4. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C 7 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I wish for jason thomson to return in place Of hamill. Never thought that i would want to see the ging back - but he is decent in the air and can tackle. Timing is slightly better that hamill. Use of left peg - just as bad - what do they do in traning????? Sorry,Hammil aint that bad. Jason Thomson, just naw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I am reliably informed Jason Thomson has already been told he'll be released from his contract upon returning from his loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I am reliably informed Jason Thomson has already been told he'll be released from his contract upon returning from his loan. Good Any more contract news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 There's so much wrong with this. given the persistent downscoring of our captain on this thread, it has to win the "Crowd-Pleaser Dressed as Something Else" award of the week. Webster almost sold 2 penalties, was twice saved by Kello and couldn't judge the flight of a high ball all day, preferring to cause panic by letting the ball bounce first yet he has been consistently scored higher than Zal (I do like Webster though) Zal won every header that came within range and had one dodgy moment when he strode forward early in the game There's not a single centreback in the SPL that I would swop him for (even though Tokely had an outstanding game at centre half for Caley Thistle) Totally agree with all you say . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Marian Kello Jamie MacDonald Danny Grainger Ryan McGowan Jamie Hamill Andrew Webster Eggert Jonsson Adrian Mrowiec Ian Black Ta. As for the the last bit, you don't honestly think I have some sort of list, do you? I will not apologise for you not seeing such comments. You missed a few. Ismael Bouzid for one, who partnered Zal in our best run last season. Strangely, he got even more abuse than Zal, despite his efforts in coping with his bombscare partner. Strange too that I've not seen many threads praising these giants for their superhuman efforts in overcoming the huge disadvantage of coping with the bombscare's presence. In fact Hamill, Mrowciek, Black and Jonsson (when in the back 4) have generally been not that far behind Zal in the abuse stakes. Yet we concede so few goals when Zal is playing, irrespective of who is playing with him.. It's a puzzle. Oh, and congratulations on identifying one Zal supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You missed a few. Ismael Bouzid for one, who partnered Zal in our best run last season. Strangely, he got even more abuse than Zal, despite his efforts in coping with his bombscare partner. Strange too that I've not seen many threads praising these giants for their superhuman efforts in overcoming the huge disadvantage of coping with the bombscare's presence. In fact Hamill, Mrowciek, Black and Jonsson (when in the back 4) have generally been not that far behind Zal in the abuse stakes. Yet we concede so few goals when Zal is playing, irrespective of who is playing with him.. It's a puzzle. Oh, and congratulations on identifying one Zal supporter. This is bang on the money. What is ridiculous and bordering on unhealthy obsession is the way that, win, lose or draw, Zaliukas is singled out for criticism by the same few posters. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. They alone know the reason for their obsessive need to criticise the player but I would suggest that their antipathy has a deeper and more sinister basis than a simple belief that he is a poor footballer. For the avoidance of doubt, he is not the greatest centre half but he is far from the worst. Out of the current crop of Centre Backs in Scotland, I would only place the pair at Ibrox ahead of him and Webster. If anyone thinks that Majstorovic, Loovens, Tokley, Kenneth, Considine, Hogg or the current unfortunates at Easter Road would be an improvement, they need to have a word with themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 No he wasnt imo He barely moved. People want him to be good so say that he was. He wasn't, he isn't the solution to our goal issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Get your head round this one;- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15917035 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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