Johanes de Silentio Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Just caught a glimpse of a headline in the Evening News - something about Andy Driver and a loan move being blocked or something? Any gen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Just caught a glimpse of a headline in the Evening News - something about Andy Driver and a loan move being blocked or something? Any gen? Sure it was the News as i can't see anything at a glance on the E.E.N page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Sure it was the News as i can't see anything at a glance on the E.E.N page? Sure it was! The main headline was 'Silence of the Trams'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Sure it was! The main headline was 'Silence of the Trams'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboceej Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hearts have apparently demanded an up-front fee from any club wanting to loan him, which i think has pissed of him and his advisers as they were under the impression this wouldn't be the case. Other stuff about Sergio clearly not rating him as he's been fit for two months yet still never getting picked, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Problem Officer? Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Apparently an over 65's five-a-side team put in a short-term bid but Vlad was having none of it. :'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjamjolly Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hearts have apparently demanded an up-front fee ?50m ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDudley Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hearts have apparently demanded an up-front fee from any club wanting to loan him, which i think has pissed of him and his advisers as they were under the impression this wouldn't be the case. Other stuff about Sergio clearly not rating him as he's been fit for two months yet still never getting picked, etc. if this is true then... Paulo Sergio will forever be remembered as the manager that played Black, Mrowiec and Jonsson simultaneously but didn't rate Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makateer Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Full story here: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/european/driver_s_loan_hopes_hit_by_hearts_fee_demands_1_1980673 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrambo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. Hearts cannot afford to play Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Maybe hearts are just wanting him fit long enough to be able to sell him, hence him not getting a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Maybe hearts are just wanting him fit long enough to be able to sell him, hence him not getting a game? Seems likely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. Hearts cannot afford to play Driver. I've seen this a few time, but I don't understand why he came on for 5 minutes against St Mirren? Maybe hearts are just wanting him fit long enough to be able to sell him, hence him not getting a game? Who is going to buy him for anything like the money hearts want when he has only appeared fleetingly in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbroxup Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. Hearts cannot afford to play Driver. The truth is Hearts can not afford not to play him The team averages 1.9 points per game that he plays His scoring average is 3 per full game played And more importantly his stock value is going down the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The truth is Hearts can not afford not to play him The team averages 1.9 points per game that he plays His scoring average is 3 per full game played And more importantly his stock value is going down the toilet. Would like to bring a player back in who scores 3 per game he plays! Can't remember any of his hat tricks though. If Sergio really does not rate Driver highly enough to play him instead of some of the players he has chosen in the last 2 months then he should be removed from his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I can only assume it is a money thing that Driver isn't playing because what we need right now is a player that can create and score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I've seen this a few time, but I don't understand why he came on for 5 minutes against St Mirren? Who is going to buy him for anything like the money hearts want when he has only appeared fleetingly in 2 years. Got to agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Absolute madness. One of, if not the best player on our books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Sergio is a moron for not picking Driver. He should start every Hearts game with no exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 We operate like no other club I've ever known. Utter madness he's tossing it off on the sidelines and we're having to suffer the likes of mwrowiec who as long as he has a hole in his star won't ever offer anything worth a **** to man nor beast. If Sergio doesn't rate Driver he should be removed forthwith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlingshirejambo Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Sergio is a moron for not picking Driver. He should start every Hearts game with no exceptions. Who should he start instead of. Templeton or Skacel? Bearing in mind he has played so little football this season he will need time to get match fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Absolute madness. One of, if not the best player on our books. He's clearly not doing it in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He has been trying his hardest in training aswell, cant understand why Sergio isnt picking him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 As much as he's a good player on his day and seems like a nice level headed young man I think it's clear that his days at Hearts are all but numbered and we will be lucky if he makes more than a handful of further appearance if he even makes any at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Who should he start instead of. Templeton or Skacel? Bearing in mind he has played so little football this season he will need time to get match fit I'd play Eggert, Skacel, Stevo, Driver and Templeton with Sutton up top on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex plode Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He played against Paksi when he clearly wasn't fit and managed to score and then he has rarely been seen since, very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDudley Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. Hearts cannot afford to play Driver. that doesn't explain coming on for the last 5 minutes against St Mirren though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gentleman Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 As much as he's a good player on his day and seems like a nice level headed young man I think it's clear that his days at Hearts are all but numbered and we will be lucky if he makes more than a handful of further appearance if he even makes any at all. I agree Charlie, but that being the case why does the club put barriers on any loan deals by asking for a fee upfront? He's reputedly a high earner (if and when he gets paid) and is contracted to 2013. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the management people around Hearts are clueless, impotent and rudderless. That's their good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He has been trying his hardest in training aswell, cant understand why Sergio isnt picking him!! That looks like Driver anaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. Hearts cannot afford to play Driver. I've said it before, I'll repeat it here. If Driver was half the player HE thinks he is, he would be average! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He has been trying his hardest in training aswell, cant understand why Sergio isnt picking him!! Is that him running to the bar at Lulus because it is close to last orders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I agree Charlie, but that being the case why does the club put barriers on any loan deals by asking for a fee upfront? He's reputedly a high earner (if and when he gets paid) and is contracted to 2013. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the management people around Hearts are clueless, impotent and rudderless. That's their good points. who would be paying his wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Whoever is part of the decision making process not to play Driver are morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher161 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Loan fees are very, very common with players that have a decent market value. Hearts paid a loan fee for Skacel when we got him from Marseille on loan. It is all about protecting your asset. If Driver goes out on loan it will be to a team with a view to buying him in the summer. Any loan fee paid is normally deducted from the transfer fee agreed. So for example if Hearts wanted ?2m for Driver and the loan fee was 200k then it would be agreed that the fee would be ?1.8m between those clubs. Hearts would want the ?2m from any other interested club. I hope I have explained that well, been up most of the night writing a report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Loan fees are very, very common with players that have a decent market value. Hearts paid a loan fee for Skacel when we got him from Marseille on loan. It is all about protecting your asset. If Driver goes out on loan it will be to a team with a view to buying him in the summer. Any loan fee paid is normally deducted from the transfer fee agreed. So for example if Hearts wanted ?2m for Driver and the loan fee was 200k then it would be agreed that the fee would be ?1.8m between those clubs. Hearts would want the ?2m from any other interested club. I hope I have explained that well, been up most of the night writing a report. Shame we'll have to knock off a zero from each of those figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher161 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Shame we'll have to knock off a zero from each of those figures Wait and see my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Wait and see my friend. Sounds promising, I hope you're right and we do ultimately still get that kind of money for him. By god do we need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 When you don't play one of your best players, if not the best, it to me sums up how this club is being destroyed by 'The Mentalist'. Andy Driver is a great pro who has had a terrible time with injury, he only wants to repay the club that he loves for looking after him through the dark times, but no, we have a manager who was @ Sporting Lisbon as a manager ? did you know, the mentalist found him while playing champ manager 2011. I just wish we could get a buyer to remove this cancer(Vlad) from our club, once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 We operate like no other club I've ever known. Utter madness he's tossing it off on the sidelines and we're having to suffer the likes of mwrowiec who as long as he has a hole in his star won't ever offer anything worth a **** to man nor beast. If Sergio doesn't rate Driver he should be removed forthwith. He's by no means the first player this has affected. Rangers had a full back from Man City in that position a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Who should he start instead of. Templeton or Skacel? Bearing in mind he has played so little football this season he will need time to get match fit Because Templeton has been shite since this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He's by no means the first player this has affected. Rangers had a full back from Man City in that position a few years ago. They also refused to play Michael Ball, as one more appearance would have meant they owed Everton a wad of cash. He did not play again until a compromise with Everton was reached. So this, we are the only club to do this, is once again a crock of sh1te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 They also refused to play Michael Ball, as one more appearance would have meant they owed Everton a wad of cash. He did not play again until a compromise with Everton was reached. So this, we are the only club to do this, is once again a crock of sh1te. As you say, Everton would have been owed money. Where are the indications that anyone would be owed money (beyond the usual wages/bonuses etc) if Driver plays - offset of course by a reduction in that owed to the player who would drop out of the 14? If the club can't afford to pay Driver to play games for us - who authorised the contract? Why did Driver get 5 minutes the other week if it is all about appearance money? Another belter of an effort by the useless and ridiculous Board at Hearts. That said, the comments in the press suggest that it is Sergio who does not rate Driver enough to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Sergio is a clueless fud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Loan fees are very, very common with players that have a decent market value. Hearts paid a loan fee for Skacel when we got him from Marseille on loan. It is all about protecting your asset. If Driver goes out on loan it will be to a team with a view to buying him in the summer. Any loan fee paid is normally deducted from the transfer fee agreed. So for example if Hearts wanted ?2m for Driver and the loan fee was 200k then it would be agreed that the fee would be ?1.8m between those clubs. Hearts would want the ?2m from any other interested club. I hope I have explained that well, been up most of the night writing a report. I know it is only an example you are giving but the chances of Hearts getting ?2m for Driver are dead and buried now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Le Clos Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd play Eggert, Skacel, Stevo, Driver and Templeton with Sutton up top on his own. Careful though, you run the risk of being chased out of Kickbackville with your hair on fire these days fer the mere mention of John Sutton in the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher161 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I know it is only an example you are giving but the chances of Hearts getting ?2m for Driver are dead and buried now. You may be surprised mate. Football people know that he is a good player and it's non footballing reasons that he is continually omitted from the team. I will go on record and say that in my opinion Andy Driver is our best player and certainly our most potent attacking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Is it true Driver and Sergio had a wee fall out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You may be surprised mate. Football people know that he is a good player and it's non footballing reasons that he is continually omitted from the team. I will go on record and say that in my opinion Andy Driver is our best player and certainly our most potent attacking player. I also think we should be playing him as he is one of our better players and possibly the best on his game but don't see him as a ?2m player. I think most of the clubs who show any interest will be looking for a bargain as they know he is one of the highest paid players at the club and Hearts will want him off the payroll asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher161 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Is it true Driver and Sergio had a wee fall out ? Yes, Dunfermline away if I remember correctly. 19 players travelled and he was the 1 left out. Same thing happened with Skacel in Inverness but he channeled the anger the right way and forced himself back into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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