jammyheart Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Headline in the Scotsman says- Hearts players buckle under pressure to withdraw pay complaint (see back page) don`t know the rest just seen it on newsnight scotland as they show the headlines of tomorrows papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Nice inflamtory headline and then a positive spin , for them, or the going overboard on a whipped up story. a climbdown that still looks like an attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Headline in the Scotsman says- Hearts players buckle under pressure to withdraw pay complaint (see back page) don`t know the rest just seen it on newsnight scotland as they show the headlines of tomorrows papers. Withdraw? When did they make a pay complaint? All i have read is that the SPFA were trying to get a complaint out of them so they could take it up with the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboscanbevicius Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 pressure from who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Headline in the Scotsman says- Hearts players buckle under pressure to withdraw pay complaint (see back page) don`t know the rest just seen it on newsnight scotland as they show the headlines of tomorrows papers. Has Vlad told them they'd be executed if they do? He doesn't have a leg to stand on here. The players would take him to the cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McNulty Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. In Paulo we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Headline in the Scotsman says- Hearts players buckle under pressure to withdraw pay complaint (see back page) don`t know the rest just seen it on newsnight scotland as they show the headlines of tomorrows papers. It's became a joke. Do folk actually read this licking their lips in the anticipation of Hearts demise I hope some folk are watching this unfold and are now questioning the media in this country. Have any Hearts players even complained about this? From where I stand and look Vlad has these guys hook line and sinker with their ramblings. Love him or hate him he has showed some folk up for their rambling reporting. This is going to continue I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/european/hearts_squad_back_down_after_advice_from_paulo_sergio_1_1947640 Here is the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. A feckless bunch of xxxxx. As much bite as a toothless budgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. The SPFA should carry on with any action until it is settled. The SPFA can't start any action until they have a complaint so how can they delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 A feckless bunch of xxxxx. As much bite as a toothless budgie. Absolutely (I'm assuming you're talking about the players) - as toothless and gutless off the pitch as they are on it. Just noticed you weren't talking about the players as you had SPFA in bold. Still, my comments stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 http://www.scotsman....ergio_1_1947640 Here is the story. A guy was down at Riccarton to collect signatures and was told to bolt. Hearts winding up order was settled in August. Why o why o why report this nonsense?????????? Reporters hanging about Riccarton ask the guy if theres a story and he says."no one has complained" The guy waits about for hours until Sergio approaches him and says "what are you wanting here?" Translates as pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 A guy was down at Riccarton to collect signatures and was told to bolt. Hearts winding up order was settled in August. Why o why o why report this nonsense?????????? Reporters hanging about Riccarton ask the guy if theres a story and he says."no one has complained" The guy waits about for hours until Sergio approaches him and says "what are you wanting here?" Translates as pressure. But it wasn't nonsense was it? There was a winding up petition due yesterday - that is a fact, not nonsense. If HMFC were able to communicate things in a professional manner to the fans and shareholders (instead of a manner that makes The Sun look profesional)then we might have all known what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 But it wasn't nonsense was it? There was a winding up petition due yesterday - that is a fact, not nonsense. If HMFC were able to communicate things in a professional manner to the fans and shareholders (instead of a manner that makes The Sun look profesional)then we might have all known what was going on. Wasn't it to withdraw the petition for a winding up order. Small detail I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 But it wasn't nonsense was it? There was a winding up petition due yesterday - that is a fact, not nonsense. If HMFC were able to communicate things in a professional manner to the fans and shareholders (instead of a manner that makes The Sun look profesional)then we might have all known what was going on. It was settled in August mate. There was nothing to answer to! Why isn't it reported as the taxman wasting the courts time? Did anyone from Hearts even bother to attend? Doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 http://www.scotsman....ergio_1_1947640 Here is the story. Confirms we paid the tax bill in the middle of August. Reluctantly, in the last paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 You can tell The Hootsmon is gutted at this turn of events! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Absolutely (I'm assuming you're talking about the players) - as toothless and gutless off the pitch as they are on it. Just noticed you weren't talking about the players as you had SPFA in bold. Still, my comments stand. Resisting pressure from the SPFA and the SPL who are salivating at the prospect of going for Vlad. Ignoring the media hysteria and scare-mongering and glee at the prospect of a player revolt. Showing more loyalty, faith and guts than a section of the support. I'm with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Resisting pressure from the SPFA and the SPL who are salivating at the prospect of going for Vlad. Ignoring the media hysteria and scare-mongering and glee at the prospect of a player revolt. Showing more loyalty, faith and guts than a section of the support. I'm with the players. "Hearts players backdown after pressure" "Hearts players told to find new clubs" "Hearts players should have been sent off" "I have no morals and have thrown away my belief to keep folk informed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Has Vlad told them they'd be executed if they do? He doesn't have a leg to stand on here. The players would take him to the cleaners. In fact, it is quite the other way around. It's the players who don't have a leg to stand on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 In fact, it is quite the other way around. It's the players who don't have a leg to stand on. All this standing on legs.............we are trying to get the card count down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Can Clum stand at alll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 When will we see the headline. 'Scottish Newspapers Grossly Exagerrate And Make Things Up.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Wasn't it to withdraw the petition for a winding up order. Small detail I know. But fairly significant I think you'll find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The last revolt against the Romanovs led to the formation of the Soviet Union and Lenin taking over. To tell the truth, I'd rather have Romanov than Lennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbrown76 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Resisting pressure from the SPFA and the SPL who are salivating at the prospect of going for Vlad. Ignoring the media hysteria and scare-mongering and glee at the prospect of a player revolt. Showing more loyalty, faith and guts than a section of the support. I'm with the players. The players backed down because they felt they had more chance of getting paid that way, it was sod all to do with loyalty to HMFC. I can't believe people are blaming the media for everything, sure they are going ott but they aren't responsible for wages not being paid. Similarly although the HMRC were squared up well in advance of yesterday the fact remains it was raised in the first place. Nothing for us to be proud of. The stadium / council is another episode we could do without and once again IMO to do with our idiot owner who has got us into this mess. How people can still back him is beyond belief. FA you are one of my favourite posters but you are losing it mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The players backed down because they felt they had more chance of getting paid that way, it was sod all to do with loyalty to HMFC. I can't believe people are blaming the media for everything, sure they are going ott but they aren't responsible for wages not being paid. Similarly although the HMRC were squared up well in advance of yesterday the fact remains it was raised in the first place. Nothing for us to be proud of. The stadium / council is another episode we could do without and once again IMO to do with our idiot owner who has got us into this mess. How people can still back him is beyond belief. FA you are one of my favourite posters but you are losing it mate. Agree on wages, vehemently disagree on the tax issue. That was blatant scaremongering. As for the stadium idea, I'm not sure why we should be embarrassed. Vlad has his bluff called by the council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaka Demus & pliers Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The last revolt against the Romanovs led to the formation of the Soviet Union and Lenin taking over. To tell the truth, I'd rather have Romanov than Lennon. Imagine where we could be with lennon in charge though. As long as that bint yoko kept her nose out You did mean John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The players backed down because they felt they had more chance of getting paid that way, it was sod all to do with loyalty to HMFC. I can't believe people are blaming the media for everything, sure they are going ott but they aren't responsible for wages not being paid. Similarly although the HMRC were squared up well in advance of yesterday the fact remains it was raised in the first place. Nothing for us to be proud of. The stadium / council is another episode we could do without and once again IMO to do with our idiot owner who has got us into this mess. How people can still back him is beyond belief. FA you are one of my favourite posters but you are losing it mate. How do you know for a fact the players were starting a revolt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 So three guys went to see the boss and asked for their money, got told if they didn't like it they could **** off, go to the press and say the whole team is getting sold off amidst financial meltdown, press jump on it and then the players sh1te it and withdraw all complaints leaving the papers full of sh1t once again. Hope Mr Sutton has learned his lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 How do you know for a fact the players were starting a revolt? I think it was "understood" based on a "usually reliable source" who "did not want to be named". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The players backed down because they felt they had more chance of getting paid that way, it was sod all to do with loyalty to HMFC. I can't believe people are blaming the media for everything, sure they are going ott but they aren't responsible for wages not being paid. Similarly although the HMRC were squared up well in advance of yesterday the fact remains it was raised in the first place. Nothing for us to be proud of. The stadium / council is another episode we could do without and once again IMO to do with our idiot owner who has got us into this mess. How people can still back him is beyond belief. FA you are one of my favourite posters but you are losing it mate. Jim, I don't think most of the posts are about 'backing' Romanov, more to do with the way the paper has presented the story. Usually these inflamatory headlines prove to have little to do with the actual story, but in this instance, the writer chooses to fan the flames by, in the first paragraph, stating that Sergio 'forced' the players to backdown from their actions, then goes on to make it sound like people, ie the PFA, are gunning for Hearts/Romanov. By the use of the word 'forced' it suggests he somehow coerced them into bowing to his, or Romanov's, will but, if everything else that was said in the article was true regarding the PFA position, Sergio, or Romanov, were the ones in the weaker position and the players were the ones with the ability to 'force' Romanov's hand. I'd suggest the more likely scenario was that Sergio pleaded with them not to take action and pointed out they were still in a position to take action if they didn't get paid. Unless I'm mistaken, Sergio, too, hasn't been paid, so was talking from a similar position to the players and no doubt his sympathies were with them. A less anti-Hearts article (and I don't suggest the paper should be pro-Hearts) would have perhaps taken the time to praise the players loyalty to the club and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Fraser Wishart not taking the news well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Fraser Wishart not taking the news well: Is that the ripped up players' petition he's thrown on the ground? Get the litter-lout fined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 One good sign is that the majority of the players like and trust Sergio , that's a plus point to at least the playing side getting on with things . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 You can tell The Hootsmon is gutted at this turn of events! That is the overwhelming feeling I got when reading this article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I wouldn't trust anything Fraser Wishart has to say when he hardly tried a leg for us as a player. Thank goodness he was one of the first players Jim Jefferies emptied. As for the current players, I can understand why they're upset but they're contractors, and I'm afraid that sometimes, in some businesses, especially ours(!), you sometimes have to wait for your cash if you contract. It's the one down-side of earning so much cash in a short period of time. I have no doubt that they'll get their over-priced salaries eventually. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Resisting pressure from the SPFA and the SPL who are salivating at the prospect of going for Vlad. Ignoring the media hysteria and scare-mongering and glee at the prospect of a player revolt. Showing more loyalty, faith and guts than a section of the support. I'm with the players. Well said FA. Lets hope the fans turn out in numbers tomorrow to show that we appreciate the players putting the club first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fareastjambo Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 It's became a joke. Do folk actually read this licking their lips in the anticipation of Hearts demise I hope some folk are watching this unfold and are now questioning the media in this country. Have any Hearts players even complained about this? From where I stand and look Vlad has these guys hook line and sinker with their ramblings. Love him or hate him he has showed some folk up for their rambling reporting. This is going to continue I hope I just wonder if this has been Vlad's intention all along - media blackout to see what garbage they make up about Hearts. If that is the case then he's played a blinder!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The players backed down because they felt they had more chance of getting paid that way, it was sod all to do with loyalty to HMFC. I can't believe people are blaming the media for everything, sure they are going ott but they aren't responsible for wages not being paid. Similarly although the HMRC were squared up well in advance of yesterday the fact remains it was raised in the first place. Nothing for us to be proud of. The stadium / council is another episode we could do without and once again IMO to do with our idiot owner who has got us into this mess. How people can still back him is beyond belief. FA you are one of my favourite posters but you are losing it mate. I was backing the players (and you are right it probably isn't loyalty just common sense among the mayhem - still commendable) and blaming the media nd SPFA/SPL for their attitude, not "backing Vlad". No, paying our taxes is not something to be proud of. But there has been a lot less hysteria in certain sections of the Scotttish media at Rangers not paying their taxes at all (I am referring to the "small tax case") than Hearts paying half a million three months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I just wonder if this has been Vlad's intention all along - media blackout to see what garbage they make up about Hearts. If that is the case then he's played a blinder!! I get where you're coming from, but even if true, who is going to report the fact and put it in the public domain? The media? I'm afraid that the media have a win/win situation when it comes to football, they can say what they like and nobody will print anything that says they're wrong, or stupid, or should appologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Paulo apparently met with the players at some point today and told them they would be payed soon, the players/SPFA have therefore decided to delay any action they might take as an act of faith. They would have needed every penny to pay of the tax bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 They would have needed every penny to pay of the tax bill. It was paid in August! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Resisting pressure from the SPFA and the SPL who are salivating at the prospect of going for Vlad. Ignoring the media hysteria and scare-mongering and glee at the prospect of a player revolt. Showing more loyalty, faith and guts than a section of the support. I'm with the players. Very well put FA, couldn't agree more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I get where you're coming from, but even if true, who is going to report the fact and put it in the public domain? The media? I'm afraid that the media have a win/win situation when it comes to football, they can say what they like and nobody will print anything that says they're wrong, or stupid, or should appologise. I understand where your coming from with the above. As someone who doesn't read the papers, because of the amount of absolute bullshit which appears in them it is something I may consider reversing when the shackles come off. Vladimir Romanov will part company with HMFC one day, will leave Scottish football and at that stage be outwith the jurisdiction of those who are presently ruining our game and printing fabricated lies. He is also a man who seems to retain a multitutde of information on file at his head offices in Lithuania. If I were a journalist and/or employed by the SFA I would run for the feckin hills on the day Romanov announces he is out of here. Then, the shackles are off. Anyone that thinks they have read the greatest rants of all times to date from Romanov, and who enjoys rants, could be in line for something very, very special. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a few days after he leaves the greatest piece of prose he has ever produced appears in press. I predict he will go to town and say everything he cannot say due to his present ties with HMFC, information will come out which will make what we have heard from him to date pale into insignificance, and our beloved journalists and the suits at the SFA will be shitting themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbrown76 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I was backing the players (and you are right it probably isn't loyalty just common sense among the mayhem - still commendable) and blaming the media nd SPFA/SPL for their attitude, not "backing Vlad". No, paying our taxes is not something to be proud of. But there has been a lot less hysteria in certain sections of the Scotttish media at Rangers not paying their taxes at all (I am referring to the "small tax case") than Hearts paying half a million three months ago. Thanks for the reply FA. Reading back over my post I was being too harsh to you, I apologise for that. I had read over a lot of posts and was getting more and more annoyed and it just happenened to be your post I responded to. The press do seem to have an agenda against us, no question but a lot of what they are belting us with is down to our lunatic owner giving them ammo in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I get where you're coming from, but even if true, who is going to report the fact and put it in the public domain? The media? I'm afraid that the media have a win/win situation when it comes to football, they can say what they like and nobody will print anything that says they're wrong, or stupid, or should appologise. It's not a win/win situation for them though, people aren't quite as naive as they used to be. Even my non HMFC supporting friends can see what they're doing here and while having a laugh at the Hearts expense they also lose a little respect for the people and papers responsible. Journalism is up there with bankers and politicians in the don't believe a word they say stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbrown76 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 How do you know for a fact the players were starting a revolt? I never said they were starting a revolt, that is a figment of your imagination. What I said was that the players thought twice about approaching the SPL for their wages because some reckoned it would do more damage in the long term to getting paid other months. I know this for a fact via one of the players heavily involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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