MacDonald Jardine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's a ******* ruse! Celtic are the definition of "Virtue Signalling", but they don't back it up. They try and act pals with genuinely good, honest and virtuous left-wing clubs like St Pauli, Livorno, Rayo Vallecano etc, but the difference is these clubs actually stick to their moral code, actively support their communities and the marginalised in society. Celtic on the other hand like to put forth that image internationally, but their support is in fact just as scummy and full of ignorance as all the rest in Scotland. I've never understood why they're considered a left-wing club really, other than by proxy due to their mostly right wing loyalist rivals. There's no such thing as truly left/right wing clubs in Scotland anyway. Too much muddying of the waters politically, and many people are smart enough not to align it with their football club of choice. I doubt even a tenth of the Celtic support actually gives one flying **** about the plight of the Palestinian people etc. It's all make believe, wishing they were Tifosi. Rant over. I'd agree with almost all of that but how can you say there are no right wing or left wing clubs in Scotland after describing their "right wing .....rivals"? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 We'll it's not hard is it. I named some. St Pauli. Rayo Vallecano. Be?ikta?. Any club that plays a huge part in their community standing against racism, fascism, homophobia, transphobia, and discrimination of all kinds. These are honest left-wing clubs. As opposed to fake plastic, empty left-wing posers like Celtic. Surely you've heard of these clubs and and their supporters? Think opposite of Lazio, Rangers, Beitar Jerusalem etc. FFS. I really do hate to be posting about Rangers again but as the biggest club in a traditionally left wing country, in what way are they "right wing"?People throw in the loyalist thing but unless you subscribe to lazy stereotypes the Rangers support as a whole is not right wing, and certainly not extremely so. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'd agree with almost all of that but how can you say there are no right wing or left wing clubs in Scotland after describing their "right wing .....rivals"? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I should clarify that I don't think there are any truly right or left wing clubs but as far as rangers go, their links to loyalist leanings and by extension imperialism etc, they are probably the easiest to deem 'right wing'. Certainly more so than any other club in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 FFS. I really do hate to be posting about Rangers again but as the biggest club in a traditionally left wing country, in what way are they "right wing"? People throw in the loyalist thing but unless you subscribe to lazy stereotypes the Rangers support as a whole is not right wing, and certainly not extremely so. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Yes my mistake, it's probably not fair for me to lump them in with actual racists and fascists like Beitar, but my hatred of the Rangers over all others is probably responsible for clouding my opinion somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts lad Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'd agree with almost all of that but how can you say there are no right wing or left wing clubs in Scotland after describing their "right wing .....rivals"? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk CORRECT, just the Queens eleven and the Pope's eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 How did they arrive at this shortlist? Was it an online vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Yes my mistake, it's probably not fair for me to lump them in with actual racists and fascists like Beitar, but my hatred of the Rangers over all others is probably responsible for clouding my opinion somewhat.Fair enough. I think if you take out the perceived links between views on the Irish situation (I.e. Republicans are all left wing and Loyalists right wing) there are no obvious political leanings for any British club. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 What a load of absolute shite. Football is run by some arseholes is it not. I really am falling out of love with the game these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's quite an odd thing, Celtic being presented as some kind of left wing club. They are the most capitalist club in the country in terms of international exporting of their product. They have a huge following from the RC community, and Catholicism is VERY right wing. They have fans who drone on about the IRA, who are fascist in their very nature. They have a large number of supporters who sing songs about burning people on bonfires based on their perceived religious beliefs. Not seeing much left wing stuff from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 FFS. I really do hate to be posting about Rangers again but as the biggest club in a traditionally left wing country, in what way are they "right wing"? People throw in the loyalist thing but unless you subscribe to lazy stereotypes the Rangers support as a whole is not right wing, and certainly not extremely so. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk It doesn't help that the loudest of their fans promote the left/right thing, that the clubs themselves are seen to pander to it or defend it from time to time, or that the governing bodies turn a blind eye when they express it. Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Fair enough. I think if you take out the perceived links between views on the Irish situation (I.e. Republicans are all left wing and Loyalists right wing) there are no obvious political leanings for any British club. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Very true and for clubs that are so entwined with "relogion" I'd say it's definitely near impossible for them to be left at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's quite an odd thing, Celtic being presented as some kind of left wing club. They are the most capitalist club in the country in terms of international exporting of their product. They have a huge following from the RC community, and Catholicism is VERY right wing. They have fans who drone on about the IRA, who are fascist in their very nature. They have a large number of supporters who sing songs about burning people on bonfires based on their perceived religious beliefs. Not seeing much left wing stuff from them. Again we're back to the fact that whatever the reason Irish Repuclicanisn is seen as left wing by a number of people. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 It doesn't help that the loudest of their fans promote the left/right thing, that the clubs themselves are seen to pander to it or defend it from time to time, or that the governing bodies turn a blind eye when they express it. Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk Again I'm not defending Rangers as such but while I agree Celtic fans promote themselves as left wing, I don't see the same political agenda from Rangers fans. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts First Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They are both left wing Unionist clubs. They will obviously both deny it but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Again we're back to the fact that whatever the reason Irish Repuclicanisn is seen as left wing by a number of people. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I would only counter that with in my experience, outwith the terrorist IRA etc, most normal Irish nationalists preferred outcome is a democratic socialist republic of 32 counties. Centre left I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They are both left wing Unionist clubs. They will obviously both deny it but it's true. I would say All football clubs are technically slightly right wing. At least fiscally speaking, in that they are all corporations. Socially it's another matter entirely, but these things are less to do with the club's themselves as much as it's their supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I assume they nominated themselves just like they will vote for themselves in droves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They are both left wing Unionist clubs. They will obviously both deny it but it's true. I just consider both clubs (and fans) to be be tossers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Is this for real? Let's ignore teams whose fans actually saved the club, such as ours, and instead nominate a club that gets fined every single season for the bad behaviour of their fans and have a songbook that requires TV stations to turn down the sound frequently during games. Seems sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I should clarify that I don't think there are any truly right or left wing clubs but as far as rangers go, their links to loyalist leanings and by extension imperialism etc, they are probably the easiest to deem 'right wing'. Certainly more so than any other club in Scotland. Yes Rangers in a UK context are about as right wing as you can get. As for Celtic, it's laughable to say they're a left-wing club. Living wage anyone? They only started paying that after pressure. (We were one of the first clubs in the UK to commit to it.) If Celtic were a brand they'd be MacDonalds. Dominant in their sector, hoovering up all opposition ruthlessly using their clout and riches, don't hesitate to put smaller enterprises out of business in their quest for world domination. Or they'd be Shell or another oil giant, using their riches and clout again to put pressure on decision makers behind the scenes to get what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 So in effect this award is all down to who has, Fifa's opinion, had the best flag/card display over the last year. What a ****ing embarrassing reason for handing out a spurious award. On all levels!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts First Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Thankfully the Lee Rigby songs at Sunderland opened a lot of eyes. They might still fool the deluded few but by and large everybody in the UK now knows they are utter scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Trump is the President of the US. I would say anything is just about possible these days ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Thankfully the Lee Rigby songs at Sunderland opened a lot of eyes. They might still fool the deluded few but by and large everybody in the UK now knows they are utter scum. Even that took a while to get through. I like to share Celtic fans' scummy behaviour far and wide through social media, and you would be surprised how many folk South of Sunderland hadn't seen the videos or read the reports at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambokev Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Nowadays Celtic "fans" know more about Bobby Sands than Bobby Lennox. Maybe FIFA should send a representative to Ibrox today to see how these "great" fans really behave before making their decision ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 It's a joke that any of these clubs are on it. They are all big clubs who are relatively more successful than 99.99% of most teams on the planet. Liverpool could give Celtic a run for their money in the constantly saying, and needing to be told, how wonderful they are stakes. Whoever nominated Celtic fans must have one hell of a sense of humour though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokHearts Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Best fans in the world though eh Beautiful Brenda will wank himself into a frenzy at this one More likely to treat himself to a tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Not giving the ball back on numerous occasions should see Celtic on another charge for not controlling their fans. Obviously the flare will grab most of the headlines but they'll sweep that under the carpet with the "one individual" line. The Scummiest Chunts In The World, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidthebaw Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 What about the hanging effigies? The Sunderland game. The attacks on us everytime we go to Septic Park. Singing songs about killing guys in my line of work. Burning poppies. Breaking every minutes silence....ever! The pitch invasions. The Palestinian flag. Support for terrorist organisations. To name but a few. Surely Uefa know about those? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts First Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 What about the hanging effigies? The Sunderland game. The attacks on us everytime we go to Septic Park. Singing songs about killing guys in my line of work. Burning poppies. Breaking every minutes silence....ever! The pitch invasions. The Palestinian flag. Support for terrorist organisations. To name but a few. Surely Uefa know about those? Lol Aye, but, erm, Sevco and cheating and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 What about the hanging effigies? The Sunderland game. The attacks on us everytime we go to Septic Park. Singing songs about killing guys in my line of work. Burning poppies. Breaking every minutes silence....ever! The pitch invasions. The Palestinian flag. Support for terrorist organisations. To name but a few. Surely Uefa know about those? Lol Plus their abuse of ball boys, damage to our, and others stadiums (Dundee, Motherwell), leaving obscene, twisted and disgusting messages in toilets etc etc. As individuals, most Celtic fans are decent people. As a group, however, they behave like scum. And far worse towards us than Rangers fans do, lets not pretend otherwise in order to distance ourselves from the mini Hun tag. Lets just be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 1874 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Plus their abuse of ball boys, damage to our, and others stadiums (Dundee, Motherwell), leaving obscene, twisted and disgusting messages in toilets etc etc. As individuals, most Celtic fans are decent people. As a group, however, they behave like scum. And far worse towards us than Rangers fans do, lets not pretend otherwise in order to distance ourselves from the mini Hun tag. Lets just be honest. Fair points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterintheRain Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 In Europe, I'm far from convinced they do. As a spectacle in the ground they can look impressive if you don't know the background. And they have more than enough apologists here who should know better. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Hello Mr Pot. I recognise your regular attack on Mrs Kettle. Some may say the same about the bigotfest at the Nuremburg style armed forces day at your beloved Hunbrox. An ocean of fascism which certainly creates a spectacle which may impress the less credulous among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Hello Mr Pot. I recognise your regular attack on Mrs Kettle. Some may say the same about the bigotfest at the Nuremburg style armed forces day at your beloved Hunbrox. An ocean of fascism which certainly creates a spectacle which may impress the less credulous among us. A few squaddies at a football match is " An ocean of fascism " ? Cool, Pedro ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts First Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Hello Mr Pot. I recognise your regular attack on Mrs Kettle. Some may say the same about the bigotfest at the Nuremburg style armed forces day at your beloved Hunbrox. An ocean of fascism which certainly creates a spectacle which may impress the less credulous among us. Ffs. You are mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Hello Mr Pot. I recognise your regular attack on Mrs Kettle. Some may say the same about the bigotfest at the Nuremburg style armed forces day at your beloved Hunbrox. An ocean of fascism which certainly creates a spectacle which may impress the less credulous among us. And some say I'm guilty of whataboutery.Do you really think they deserve an award? The rest of your post isn't worthy of comment. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 The last bit sums them up perfectly. Utter scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I think the OF should get the award jointly. Where else does a game played at lunchtime cause a pub in Partick to close at 7.30 as a preemptive measure against violence from OF fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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