Walter Bishop Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka. Shaggy "clueless" Frail. Neilson. Goncalves. Tall. Zaliukas. Kingston. No.28. Elliott. Nade. Chesney. Pinilla. No.29. McCann. Makela. All being sold i reckon we`d raise around 50k!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 3 things.... 1. Some of these players have contracts. 2. You can only sell players if you have offers to buy them. 3. If you pay out money to terminate contracts then it will substantially reduce the money available to bring in new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka.Shaggy "clueless" Frail. Neilson. Goncalves. Tall. Zaliukas. Kingston. No.28. Elliott. Nade. Chesney. Pinilla. No.29. McCann. Makela. All being sold i reckon we`d raise around 50k!!! Wouldn't disagree with many of the names on that list. Certainly not many tears would be shed I'd doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrewsHMFC Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Until we sort out the off the field stuff like management training and medical support, we could swap squads with Barcalona and still be pish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Muller Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Frail shouldnt be chucked. Romanov has trust in his abilities so far (in that he hasn't sacked him...yet ) and I am of the opinion to keep Frail in a coaching capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 3 things.... 1. Some of these players have contracts. 2. You can only sell players if you have offers to buy them. 3. If you pay out money to terminate contracts then it will substantially reduce the money available to bring in new players. 1. And ? That doesnt mean they cant be shipped out or Transfer listed. 2. Im sure we`d have offers for all if they were allowed to leave. 3. Who said anything about paying out contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Problem is that you can't get rid of a huge number of players unless you have the money to replace them. Whoever comes in has got a rebuilding job to do which isn't going to be complete in one season, more like 2 at the least. He's going to have to motivate & organise the players we have in the first instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Mass clearouts of contracted players almost never happens unless either a club is relegated and that can trigger contractual clauses and also players are happy to leave to avoid dropping down a division or else if the club or owner is wealthy and has surplus funds to pay off lots of contracts. Very few teams ever turn over such a large number of out-going contracted players in any single transfer window, people are being a wee bit optimistic / unrealistic about what is possible or likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 The unjustified Frail bashing on here is becoming boring. I don't want him to be the manager long term but we're talking about a guy with limited coaching experience who was thrown in at the deep end under ridiculous circumstances. His best striking option was sold and now he's taking the flak for the lack of goals. Korobochka is still around the club a lot and I'd put money on it that he's advising Frail on the formation for games, hence the reason we've used his 4-5-1 system so much. Lay off Shaggy, he stepped up to the mark and has improved the results, he's not the long term answer but he's done his best and most importantly he cares about the club unlike so many of those in the hot seat before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Problem is that you can't get rid of a huge number of players unless you have the money to replace them. Whoever comes in has got a rebuilding job to do which isn't going to be complete in one season, more like 2 at the least. He's going to have to motivate & organise the players we have in the first instance. Use some of the Craig Gordon money. Or the Skacel money. Or the Hartley money. Or the Bednar money. Or the money we'll get for Kingston in the summer. Or has Vlad trousered it all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 1. And ? That doesnt mean they cant be shipped out or Transfer listed.2. Im sure we`d have offers for all if they were allowed to leave. 3. Who said anything about paying out contracts? Hearts tried to offload Makela & Pospisil over several transfer windows but whilst they still had time left on their contracts they were unwilling to leave if their financial demands were not satisfied by the buyer / seller. Getting rid of players with contracts isn't just as easy as saying we'd like you to go and transfer listing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Use some of the Craig Gordon money. Or the Skacel money. Or the Hartley money. Or the Bednar money. Or the money we'll get for Kingston in the summer. Or has Vlad trousered it all ? The Skacel money was included in a ?5.2M loss we made in 2005-06, the Hartley money was included in an ?8M loss we made in 2006-07, Gordon's money will have been eaten up by the scale of the 2 previous years losses and the fact that despite some significant cost cutting we probably still run at a loss each week. No Bednar money has been received yet and that transfer has yet to be concluded. The scale of Hearts losses is such that it is impossible for Vlad to trouser any money with exception of perhaps Velicka sale and that has probably been used to contribute to the cost of running FBK Kaunas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Problem is that you can't get rid of a huge number of players unless you have the money to replace them. Whoever comes in has got a rebuilding job to do which isn't going to be complete in one season, more like 2 at the least. He's going to have to motivate & organise the players we have in the first instance. Correct! Forcibly getting rid of players is costly and further reduces money available for better players as replacements of those who do leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 The Skacel money was included in a ?5.2M loss we made in 2005-06, the Hartley money was included in an ?8M loss we made in 2006-07, Gordon's money will have been eaten up by the scale of the 2 previous years losses and the fact that despite some significant cost cutting we probably still run at a loss each week. No Bednar money has been received yet and that transfer has yet to be concluded. The scale of Hearts losses is such that it is impossible for Vlad to trouser any money with exception of perhaps Velicka sale and that has probably been used to contribute to the cost of running FBK Kaunas. So to put it bluntly: Vlad has squandered the Gordon money, the Hartley money and the Skacel money (approx ?12M) on complete and utter horsesh|t and a bottom 6 finish. Is it any wonder people have had enough of him ? What a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougal Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 The Skacel money was included in a ?5.2M loss we made in 2005-06, the Hartley money was included in an ?8M loss we made in 2006-07, Gordon's money will have been eaten up by the scale of the 2 previous years losses and the fact that despite some significant cost cutting we probably still run at a loss each week. No Bednar money has been received yet and that transfer has yet to be concluded.The scale of Hearts losses is such that it is impossible for Vlad to trouser any money with exception of perhaps Velicka sale and that has probably been used to contribute to the cost of running FBK Kaunas. John Motson said yesterday during the FA Cup Semi Final that the deal had been concluded and would happen at the end of the season. ?2.5million if all is to be believed. We must have a clear out and get new players in. But more importantly we must have a manager who has full control of team affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 So to put it bluntly: Vlad has squandered the Gordon money, the Hartley money and the Skacel money (approx ?12M) on complete and utter horsesh|t and a bottom 6 finish. Is it any wonder people have had enough of him ? What a tit. That is what I think has happened. It's one big cockup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboJimmyB Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 When Velicka was sold apparently VR was told by the coaching staff that there were other descent options for the forward line. I presume Frail had a major input in this decision and that the options were either Elliot or playing Nade as a lone striker (a role he has freely admitted he does not want to pay). Both of these options have been a complete failure. Any decent manager would have insisted that the clubs top striker stayed at least until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Hearts tried to offload Makela & Pospisil over several transfer windows but whilst they still had time left on their contracts they were unwilling to leave if their financial demands were not satisfied by the buyer / seller. Getting rid of players with contracts isn't just as easy as saying we'd like you to go and transfer listing them. Question : Oh and who's fault is it we have loads of players on money they wouldn't get near elsewhere (because they are s**t) ?? Correct Answer : Romanov and his little hand puppet Pedro Your Answer : It will no doubt be Chris Robinson's or Wallace Mercer's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Wouldn't miss one of them. Over paid shower of ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Theres a lot of talk of contracts, who is on an HMFC contract, aren't most of them playing for us through Vlads network of teams, maybe there all with us because the Kaunas fans have chased them!! Can we not just chase them back, it's also clear that not a penny of transfer money from any HEARTS players has come back to Hearts for replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Whilst we could all compile long lists of players we think should leave/GTF NMH is basically correct. We can work ourselves into a lather about mass clearouts all we want but it won't happen IMO. This has been happening for years at Hearts. We can't pay our best players enough to keep them but we pay our poorer players too much and can't get rid of them. We might get rid of some of them but not all and not all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Keep: GK: Banks, Basso RB: Thomson, Nielson CH:Tall, Berra, McGowan, Karapidis, Rapnik Mid: Kingston, Aguair, Driver, Miko, Ruben, Eggert Forwards: Nade, Panilla (If they've not got it sorted by Jan - empty them) Empty the rest: 28, Stewart, Chesny, Elliot, Shammy, Concalves, Wallace, Screpis (a bit harsh!), Makela, Beslija, Zal, Mcann, Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 according to frail in the notw we dont need a clear out I wonder what planet this guy on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiver Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka. Romanov's toy to be shipped about where he pleasesShaggy "clueless" Frail. Would require paying off Neilson. Should be able to ship him to DU, M'well etc. if given a free Goncalves. We were offered a million + for him not too long ago Tall. Gone, end of contract Zaliukas. Romanov toy Kingston. Should be no trouble shipping him to a lower prem/championship side as long as we don't ask too much No.28. Romanov toy Elliott. Would have to pay off Nade. Would have to pay off Chesney. romanov toy Pinilla. Would have to pay off No.29. romanov toy McCann. End of contract Makela. Would have to pay off So i think we should, if the will was there, be able to lose the majority easily. The problem comes with players like Makela and Pinilla who are totally unsaleable and massive drains on our wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Why no Miko on the list.If you want Neilson to go you must want Miko to go as well.Neilson gives his all,all season(every season).Has more good games than Miko(shows you how bad Miko is).Has the passing,crossing skills of Miko(Shows you how bad Miko is).Goes down the wing and hits the byeline more times than Miko(Think about it.He really does).For all Neilsons faults he never hides during a game(Could Miko say the same) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka.Shaggy "clueless" Frail. Neilson. Goncalves. Tall. Zaliukas. Kingston. No.28. Elliott. Nade. Chesney. Pinilla. No.29. McCann. Makela. All being sold i reckon we`d raise around 50k!!! So, according to you, we have 13 players who need cleared out... Yet you are still blaming Frail for the shambles we're in. He has a dreadful squad to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh83 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka. - Get rid of Shaggy "clueless" Frail. - Demote to assistant coach and get a proper manager in. Neilson. - Keep as back up RB. Goncalves. - I reckon we could get some decent money for him Tall. - He's gone no doubt Zaliukas. - Get rid of Kingston. - Hopefully we can keep. Star player. No.28. - Get rid of Elliott. - Flog to Livingston Nade. - Needs an intensive preseason with a proper manager to get him motivated and in shape. Give him next season to show us what he's got. Chesney. - Keep Pinilla.- Keep. Must be worth one last punt to try and get some use and value for money out of him. If he stays fit could have a cracking 08/09 season. Ksanavicius - Keep as bench player then ship back to Kaunas if he shows no improvement. McCann. - Keep. Let him finish his career at Hearts and maybe develope a coaching role. Makela - Unsellable surely? Who would take him on his wages? Keep him and try and get some goals out of him, he seems capable of it and probably more so under a decent manager. Others: Beslija - Must b given a chance next season to show Hearts that he is worth at least half the money Romanov stumped up for him. If he stays injury free could be a top man in 08/09. Berra - Will hopefully develope further as captain next season. Miko - Get rid off. Mole - Reserves Stewart - Keep, but needs to up his game next year. Screpis - Keep. Hopefully developes in the Scottish game next year. Players of the season: Palazuelos, Driver, Jonsson, Banks... and old Velicka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Korobochka.Shaggy "clueless" Frail. Neilson. Goncalves. Tall. Zaliukas. Kingston. No.28. Elliott. Nade. Chesney. Pinilla. No.29. McCann. Makela. All being sold i reckon we`d raise around 50k!!! kingston and tall would at least earn 1.5 mill betwwen them. Anywayz, they would be two players i would like to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 The Skacel money was included in a ?5.2M loss we made in 2005-06, the Hartley money was included in an ?8M loss we made in 2006-07, Gordon's money will have been eaten up by the scale of the 2 previous years losses and the fact that despite some significant cost cutting we probably still run at a loss each week. No Bednar money has been received yet and that transfer has yet to be concluded. The scale of Hearts losses is such that it is impossible for Vlad to trouser any money with exception of perhaps Velicka sale and that has probably been used to contribute to the cost of running FBK Kaunas. How funny that the money made from the sale of our good players has effectively been used to pay the wages of the sheeite were left with!!!! Quality business management!! How the feck Romanov has any money if the running of Hearts is anything to go by is beyond me. He must have stole it!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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