givememychoice Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 The results Think this shows why it will be very tricky (not impossible) to get to the group stage of the europa league.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ring-of-fire Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 The results Think this shows why it will be very tricky (not impossible) to get to the group stage of the europa league.. Doesnt look great but good to know that Motherwell played a Norwegian side last year and pumped them so hopefully that outfit that we might get aren't massively better (can't see the league getting alot better in just one season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememychoice Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Doesnt look great but good to know that Motherwell played a Norwegian side last year and pumped them so hopefully that outfit that we might get aren't massively better (can't see the league getting alot better in just one season) yeah, sadly though they got in as cup winners having finished 13th in the league. It was also their first ever european tie. Tromso are a lot more experienced.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ring-of-fire Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 yeah, sadly though they got in as cup winners having finished 13th in the league. It was also their first ever european tie. Tromso are a lot more experienced.... well that pisses on my parade doesn't it! s**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 'Jedward'... It's truly awful chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 A quick look at that confirms what I suspected - Hearts are the only Scottish team (including the OF) who haven't had a seriously embarrassing result in that period. We have had a few bad defeats, but so far haven't lost to a real minnow. We've played teams from Estonia, Iceland and Bosnia (twice) and won all of them comfortably. The lowest ranked side we lost to was Red Star, and that was on away goals - and only five years after Red Star won the European Cup. The next lowest was Dinamo Zagreb, who were a good side (though not as good as we made them look in the first leg). The result I'm most embarrassed by in that lot was Standard Liege - and that was because (i) it followed the stunning win against Slavia Prague, (ii) they were mediocre, and (iii) we didn't turn up in the home leg at all. Looking at the top end of the table, what strikes me is the games where we easily could have (and in some cases should have) won the tie. Mallorca (the goal size fiasco), Stuttgart (PETRIC!!!), Bologna (should have taken a 3-0 lead into the second leg) and Bordeaux (won the away leg and were then rubbish at home). If we lose to Tromso then it will probably rank as our worst European defeat. But then again, they have a better European pedigree over the last few years than we do. So perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 'Jedward'... exactly x 10000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzinho Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 How come Hibs last victory in a European tie isn't included in there? Oh aye, it's because it was in 1989. 22 years ago. 22 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Oh, and by the way, our game against Basle has been incorrectly put down as a defeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guess The Crowd Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 A quick look at that confirms what I suspected - Hearts are the only Scottish team (including the OF) who haven't had a seriously embarrassing result in that period. We have had a few bad defeats, but so far haven't lost to a real minnow. We've played teams from Estonia, Iceland and Bosnia (twice) and won all of them comfortably. The lowest ranked side we lost to was Red Star, and that was on away goals - and only five years after Red Star won the European Cup. The next lowest was Dinamo Zagreb, who were a good side (though not as good as we made them look in the first leg). The result I'm most embarrassed by in that lot was Standard Liege - and that was because (i) it followed the stunning win against Slavia Prague, (ii) they were mediocre, and (iii) we didn't turn up in the home leg at all. Looking at the top end of the table, what strikes me is the games where we easily could have (and in some cases should have) won the tie. Mallorca (the goal size fiasco), Stuttgart (PETRIC!!!), Bologna (should have taken a 3-0 lead into the second leg) and Bordeaux (won the away leg and were then rubbish at home). If we lose to Tromso then it will probably rank as our worst European defeat. But then again, they have a better European pedigree over the last few years than we do. So perhaps not. All good points. Additionally, of course, the stats would only have to go back one further year to incorporate the march to the UEFA quarter-finals in 1989. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememychoice Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Oh, and by the way, our game against Basle has been incorrectly put down as a defeat! nope, i did it by who qualified. Basle Qualified, we didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememychoice Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 A quick look at that confirms what I suspected - Hearts are the only Scottish team (including the OF) who haven't had a seriously embarrassing result in that period. We have had a few bad defeats, but so far haven't lost to a real minnow. We've played teams from Estonia, Iceland and Bosnia (twice) and won all of them comfortably. The lowest ranked side we lost to was Red Star, and that was on away goals - and only five years after Red Star won the European Cup. The next lowest was Dinamo Zagreb, who were a good side (though not as good as we made them look in the first leg). The result I'm most embarrassed by in that lot was Standard Liege - and that was because (i) it followed the stunning win against Slavia Prague, (ii) they were mediocre, and (iii) we didn't turn up in the home leg at all. Looking at the top end of the table, what strikes me is the games where we easily could have (and in some cases should have) won the tie. Mallorca (the goal size fiasco), Stuttgart (PETRIC!!!), Bologna (should have taken a 3-0 lead into the second leg) and Bordeaux (won the away leg and were then rubbish at home). If we lose to Tromso then it will probably rank as our worst European defeat. But then again, they have a better European pedigree over the last few years than we do. So perhaps not. I would largely agree..tbh, i think we have been quite unlucky with the teams we have drawn. I think it will be a close one in the 3rd QR, but if we get into the 4th, we will struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Its a shame you didnt include Hibs Inter-toto Cup results. That would have made the stats look a bit better. Or maybe not..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Doc - good post and good shout on Liege. They were decent (and the excellent Marc Wilmots was playing for them) but they pashed all over us from what I remember. And the season after, George Grahams Arsenal beat them 7-0 in Liege! I really hope we play Paksi!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememychoice Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Its a shame you didnt include Hibs Inter-toto Cup results. That would have made the stats look a bit better. Or maybe not..... Added in Intertoto results. Not included particks 1995 entrance as that was a group thingy. The only team they beat was keflavik from iceland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Hearts have never had a 'shocking' result in Europe but by the same token they've never had a truly great result over the 'tie' vs a 'better' team. Some superb victories in first legs have been undone by things not going quite right in the return or other group games e.g. Bayern Munich Bologna Bordeux Basle Despite Hibs record over the last 20 year they still have a better record than us overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Added in Intertoto results. Not included particks 1995 entrance as that was a group thingy. The only team they beat was keflavik from iceland. For statistical purposes InterToto should NOT count except in the later years when the later stages doubled for UEFA cup qualification. They have the same status as the Scottish Qualification Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 nope, i did it by who qualified. Basle Qualified, we didnt. The Basel game was a group match though, a win in a group match isn't the same as winning one leg of a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Despite Hibs record over the last 20 year they still have a better record than us overall. Queens Park have a better record than us in the Scottish Cup, overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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