Clerry Jambo Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 If everyone is fit what's your first 11, I'll get the heid protection oot first Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Black Temps Skatch Taioul Elliott Sutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 If everyone is fit what's your first 11, I'll get the heid protection oot first Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Black Temps Skatch Taioul Elliott Sutton If everyone is fit, KK first name on team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 If everyone is fit, KK first name on team sheet. I prefer Sutton as I believe he will get more goals and is more mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 fit? or at the club? Fit: Kello Hammil Webster Zal WallaceStevenson RobinsonTemps Taouil Obua/ArvySutton At the club: Kello Hammil Webster Zal WallaceStevenson Taouil Denis__________________DriverElliott Kyle When all fit, nice selection headache upfront. Went with the ones I know, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wright1989 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 If everyone is fit what's your first 11, I'll get the heid protection oot first Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Black Temps Skatch Taioul Elliott Sutton Driver for Taoul. Simply because Taoul doensn't consider himself (of his previous manager) to play well in that position. He should be cover for Rudi in the center, even then I think robinson or Holt would have been fine. Don't undersand the logic behind signing him TBH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Zaliukas Webster Wallace Novikovas Holt Robinson Templeton Sutton Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clerry Jambo Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 fit? or at the club? Fit: Kello Hammil Webster Zal WallaceStevenson RobinsonTemps Taouil Obua/ArvySutton At the club: Kello Hammil Webster Zal WallaceStevenson Taouil Denis__________________DriverElliott Kyle When all fit, nice selection headache upfront. Went with the ones I know, basically. Cheating IBH, make yir mind up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Zaliukas Webster Wallace Novikovas Holt Robinson Templeton Sutton Kyle I doubt you could get away with playing 4-4-2 with Temps and Novikovas with two experienced central midfielders. Doing it with two youngsters is asking to be overrun in midfield. Not meant to be a criticism of Holt or Robinson, but it wouldn't be an ideal system to introduce two young players imo (especially not at the same time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Cheating IBH, make yir mind up HA! The second yin then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I doubt you could get away with playing 4-4-2 with Temps and Novikovas with two experienced central midfielders. Doing it with two youngsters is asking to be overrun in midfield. Not meant to be a criticism of Holt or Robinson, but it wouldn't be an ideal system to introduce two young players imo (especially not at the same time). Maybe we could drop one of Kyle or Sutton and bolster the midfield with Prychynenko in that case. Novikovas Holt Prychynenko Robinson Templeton Sutton (or Kyle) Happier now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Maybe we could drop one of Kyle or Sutton and bolster the midfield with Prychynenko in that case. Novikovas Holt Prychynenko Robinson Templeton Sutton (or Kyle) Happier now? I think our squad works better with 4-5-1, because we have a lot of wide players who don't contribute too much at the back, and that leaves the central midfielders exposed with 4-4-2. I hope JJ does play some of the young players, although having all three central midfielders having virtually no SPL experience is probably pushing our luck a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 GK Kello RB Hamill CH Webster CH Zaliukas LB Grainger RM Driver DM Obua CM Holt CM Skacel LM Wallace CF Kyle SUBS: Balogh, Tauoil, Templeton, Robinson, Elliott, Prynchenko, Sutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Grainger McGowan Webster Wallace Templeton Taouil Skacel Driver Sutton Kyle We'd get messed, but it looks pretty good going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Grainger McGowan Webster Wallace Templeton Taouil Skacel Driver Sutton Kyle We'd get messed, but it looks pretty good going forward. Exactly Chester, most are either filling up the midfield which is a weak sign immediately, or flooding the side with our attacking options which I done aswell. I think it just confirms what most of us think in that the centre midfield is STILL a problem area for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshp Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Zaliukas Webster Wallace [b}Novikovas Holt Robinson[/b] Templeton Sutton Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshp Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Some people, let's just play a bunch of 18 year olds eh. Be realistic, experience is key too. Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Black Denis/Robinson Elliott Taouil Temps Sutton/Kyle 4-2-3-1 worked well for us last year I think, but if we go to 4-4-2 then that's fine too, with Elliott supporting one of the big men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think in the same way Zal and Webster dont appeared to have gelled then I would doubt if Sutton and Kyle when both fit can play together. I feel the movement of Elliott is important and there is more to come, I never understood the Taouil signing personally as thought we were well covered. Rudi is a hard one as I love him as a player but you have to fill midfield with with guys who are prepared to work for him. Based on this gonna maybe controversially go for Kello Hamill Webster Barr Wallace Temps Black Jonsson Suso Kyle Elliott Early days but Sutton did little at Berlin, not judging on one game though just that KK has proven himslef for us. Black and Mrowiec, Jonsson only ones who are ball winners and picked the two that maybe have better technique but TBH dont care a lot for any of them and feel possibly like others do in central mid others need to be tried. I feel the strength is in the flanks with KK in the air and sleeves feeding off him. Like Hamill and alt5hough Barr has much to prove I think we need an alternative to Zal/Webster and we need to assess McGowan also Happy with Goalie, Defence if we solve the Zal/Webster thing, Flanks and forwards just feel the midfield in the centre and alas Rudi`s work rate are a tad weak EDIT : sorry knew I had watched Sutton one more game. He was off the pace v Ludwigsfelde a bit also and given the level they play at anticipated a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothroughandthrough Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Webster Zaliukas Wallace Black Obua Temps Skacel Driver Elliott Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Zaliukas Webster Wallace Suso Robinson Skacel Templeton Sutton Kyle Subs : Balogh, Holt, Driver, Touill, Elliott, McGowan Jonsson Not sure about the central defensive partnership but individually they are the best two centre halfs at the club so I've picked them both. Not sure about the balance of the midfield but offensively they are the 4 best so Ive picked all of them Not sure if Kyle and Sutton will be able to play together or if they will ever be picked to play together but they appear on paper to be the two best so Ive picked both of them. Quite a strong bench also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny1874 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Webster Zaliukas Wallace Black Obua Temps Skacel Driver Elliott Kyle This! Hearts need to start leading the way in Scotland, and pioneering the 4,2,3,2 formation, the 12th player on the pitch will certainly put in a good place to win any match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Webster Zaliukas Wallace Black Obua Temps Skacel Driver Elliott Kyle Counting problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 This! Hearts need to start leading the way in Scotland, and pioneering the 4,2,3,2 formation, the 12th player on the pitch will certainly put in a good place to win any match. Ewan should know by now that only The OF are allowed 12 men, and one of them has to wear black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Counting problems? Maybe not possibly the third row was Just an observation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Maybe not possibly the third row was Just an observation ? who will be our corner taker now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Black Obua Stating the blooming obvious, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Difficult because I haven't seen all our new signings yet but from what I have heard I'd give young Robinson a run in the side and try a 4-4-1-1 like this Kello Hamill, Zal, Webster, Wallace Templeton, Black, Robinson, Driver Rudi Kyle Obviously if all 100% fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It amazes me how many folk have Obua in their team, particularly as a holding midfielder! He couldn't tackle a fish supper, and 1 good game against part-timers doesn't make him any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Stating the blooming obvious, methinks. Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Maybe we could drop one of Kyle or Sutton and bolster the midfield with Prychynenko in that case. Novikovas Holt Prychynenko Robinson Templeton Sutton (or Kyle) Happier now? That midfield is a stroke of genius. Throw all the youngsters in and to hell with winning games or accumulating points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 ________________Kello Hammill__Zaliukas__Webster__Wallace Suso________Denis__Black__Rudi ___________Sutton__Elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 We all appear to be singing from the same song sheet in regards the back 5. If we had a RB, would anyone like to see Hamill in one of the centre mid areas? A wee edit: could Barr fill that RB spot, the guy hasn't really had a run in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid A Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hammil Webster Zaliukas Wallace Suso Robinson Skacel Templeton Elliott Kyle Bench: Balogh, McGowan, Jonsson, Prychynenko, Taouil, Driver, Sutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It amazes me how many folk have Obua in their team, particularly as a holding midfielder! He couldn't tackle a fish supper, and 1 good game against part-timers doesn't make him any good. With all the players we have at the club, I'm quite frankly astonished anyone would have obua anywhere near their ideal starting line up. I'm not an obua hater but he's not had very many good performances over the last season or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 We all appear to be singing from the same song sheet in regards the back 5. If we had a RB, would anyone like to see Hamill in one of the centre mid areas? A wee edit: could Barr fill that RB spot, the guy hasn't really had a run in the team He had a spell in the side around the time of our cup exit to falkirk last season. I don't see why he should or would be included just because we are starting a new season. All he has shown since coming to hearts is that he is not anywhere near good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 We all appear to be singing from the same song sheet in regards the back 5. If we had a RB, would anyone like to see Hamill in one of the centre mid areas? A wee edit: could Barr fill that RB spot, the guy hasn't really had a run in the team I spoke briefly to him at the airport, seems a nice guy and he was adamant he just wanted to play and would do so anywhere if the gaffer picked him. I pressed him a bit about his preference i.e RB or CH and eventually albeit reluctantly he stated he prefers the middle. Thats probably why I put him in my team but concede he has a bit of work to do yet. But if he could become the Darren Barr at CH that Falkirk had he would deserve a place IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 We all appear to be singing from the same song sheet in regards the back 5. If we had a RB, would anyone like to see Hamill in one of the centre mid areas? A wee edit: could Barr fill that RB spot, the guy hasn't really had a run in the team I dont know a great deal about Hamill and Ive only seen him at right back for 45 minutes against minor opposition. At first glance he looks like a pretty decent right back. Also at first glance he didnt look like he could add anything major to the right side of our midfield, or the centre of it for that matter. I think one of the things we have to sort out this season is to try and play as many players as possible in the natural and best positions. I think we've suffered from shoehorning players into positions they're not all that comfortable with. If it looks like a right back, and it feels like a right back, then its probably a right back in other words. I dont think Barr is a good enough right back from what Ive seen, although I'd give him another shot at centre half if the chance arose (wouldnt be my first choice), which I think is his best position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I dont know a great deal about Hamill and Ive only seen him at right back for 45 minutes against minor opposition. At first glance he looks like a pretty decent right back. Also at first glance he didnt look like he could add anything major to the right side of our midfield, or the centre of it for that matter. I think one of the things we have to sort out this season is to try and play as many players as possible in the natural and best positions. I think we've suffered from shoehorning players into positions they're not all that comfortable with. If it looks like a right back, and it feels like a right back, then its probably a right back in other words. I dont think Barr is a good enough right back from what Ive seen, although I'd give him another shot at centre half if the chance arose (wouldnt be my first choice), which I think is his best position JJ will always opt for his 4-4-1-1 So if all fit, the best we heave at the club(IMHO) Kello Hammill Webster Zal Wallace Temps Black Skacel Driver Taouill Kyle Subs: McDonald, Suso, Grainger, Elliott, Novi, Sutton, Barr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 When all are fit and on form (imagine that!): Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster Wallace Black Mrowiec Suso Skacel Driver King Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 JJ will always opt for his 4-4-1-1 So if all fit, the best we heave at the club(IMHO) Kello Hammill Webster Zal Wallace Temps Black Skacel Driver Taouill Kyle Subs: McDonald, Suso, Grainger, Elliott, Novi, Sutton, Barr Like most of the line-ups already posted, that team would be good enough for a comfortable 3rd. Its now just a question of keeping them all and getting them all fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Virtually impossible to pick our strongest eleven without knowing whether Rudi will be involved. I wanna play a game. Players who should (maybe) be in our starting line-up: (imo, and assuming they are fit, etc) Hamill, Wallace, Webster, Suso, Kyle, Elliott, Templeton, Sutton, Skacel, Taouil, Kello, Zaliukas, Robinson - that's thirteen. From those who should be in the XI: Kello Hamill - Zal - Webster - Wallace Suso - Taouil - Skacel - Temps Elliott - Sutton But it's a bit lightweight, a bit gung-ho, and lacking in defensive cover. So Suso (say) drops out, and we bring in Mrowiec or Jonsson to hold it in midfield. Except their passing/control is poor. So we bring in Black, but is he up to it? In conclusion: centre-mid is our weak point - most games are won or lost in there. I'm hoping that Denis, Robinson, and Holt can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex plode Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 When all are fit and on form (imagine that!): Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster Wallace Black Mrowiec Suso Skacel Driver King Kev This will be the formation we will play but I would prefer to see Templeton rather than Driver. Also there is no chance that Denis will be in the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Virtually impossible to pick our strongest eleven without knowing whether Rudi will be involved. I wanna play a game. Players who should (maybe) be in our starting line-up: (imo, and assuming they are fit, etc) Hamill, Wallace, Webster, Suso, Kyle, Elliott, Templeton, Sutton, Skacel, Taouil, Kello, Zaliukas, Robinson - that's thirteen. From those who should be in the XI: Kello Hamill - Zal - Webster - Wallace Suso - Taouil - Skacel - Temps Elliott - Sutton But it's a bit lightweight, a bit gung-ho, and lacking in defensive cover. So Suso (say) drops out, and we bring in Mrowiec or Jonsson to hold it in midfield. Except their passing/control is poor. So we bring in Black, but is he up to it? In conclusion: centre-mid is our weak point - most games are won or lost in there. I'm hoping that Denis, Robinson, and Holt can help. One of the solutions to the poor quality defensive aspect of our available midfield players might well be to go on the front foot and keep teams busy and pose teams more problems in midfield than they pose us. Celtic did just that for years and years. Covered defensive frailties by attacking people, with decent quality in attacking and wide midfield areas and at relentless pace. Not sure we've quite got the ammunition to do that exactly but it might be worth thinking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I'm going for a cavalier 4-4-1-1 formation Obua Obua - Obua- Obua- Obua- Obua - Obua- Obua- Obua- Obua Obua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Don't think I'd play Skacel at Ibrox. Would prefer to go in with Holt. If Kyle and Driver were fully fit I'd rate us a very good chance. Will be able to blood a good few of the youngsters a month later when Hibs come to call and give fringe players like Darren Barr a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Jonsonn Templeton Robinson Driver Elliott Sutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz0503 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kello Hammill, webster, zal, Wallace Black temps,Tauoil,Driver Sutton,Kyle Subs. Bal, Mcgeown, grainger, prych, Rudi, Mrowic elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 GK Kello RB Hammill CB Zaliukas Webster LB Wallace DMC Jonsson RW Templeton LW Driver AMC Robinson STR Kyle Elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Yeah I agree about your point with Temps, at present I would have him ahead of Driver too. I just said in an ideal world if everyone was fit and on form then I would have Driver in the team ahead of Temps based on his performances of old for us. I didn't include Denis Prychenko in my line up? Or was that point aimed at other posters? This will be the formation we will play but I would prefer to see Templeton rather than Driver. Also there is no chance that Denis will be in the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamac1 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 If everyone is fit what's your first 11, I'll get the heid protection oot first Kello Hamill Zal Webster Wallace Black Temps Skatch Taioul Elliott Sutton kello grainger zaliukas webster wallace hamill prychnenko skacel temps kyle sutton subs balogh, barr, jonsson, taouil, holt or balogh, smith, elliott, robinson, black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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