Johanes de Silentio Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Has had a hernia operation, was what I meant to type! Look: http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20110318/kevs-hernia-surgery_2241384_2318908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 He'll not be playing this season. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 anther fail for the medical team at hearts. should've been done months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hope so, we really miss the dude. I think he offers as much to the team spirit, as his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommythejambo Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 A fail by the medical team, not like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Surprise, surprise. Another ****** up from our great medical team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Jambo Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Give him as much rest as possible and dont play him again this season .That will give him time to fully recover for the start of pre season training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 anther fail for the medical team at hearts. should've been done months ago. I got personal abuse on another thread earlier this week when I dared to say that. I was accused of criticising JJ, which was not the case as he has to consult with his "medical experts" on these decisions. It shouldn't take 3 months to make a medical diagnosis if you are an expert in that field. If I took 3 months to diagnose a software fault raised by a customer I'd be getting my arse booted by the managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonauskas Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Its more the perceived reputation of the medical staff that people are poking fun at, it will take a long time for the "Rima" association to subside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 anther fail for the medical team at hearts. should've been done months ago. Have you been hiding under a stone or something. It was Kyle who was told months ago by the Hearts Physio that he needed to have the operation. The blame lies firmly with Kyle here because he wanted to try other options before resorting to the operation. So get your facts right before slagging off the "medical team" ( I never knew we had such a thing to be perfectly honest I always thought it was The Physio). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm sure I read that Kyle was against the idea of surgery - if that's true, what can the medical staff do about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The hangover from Rima and her golden sticks and that funny box that could diagnose a medical problem by sticking your finger in it continues to this day. I fail to see how you can criticise our medical team given that he has been in consultation with external specialists for months. Every team has injury problems. Hearts appear to have more than others and have done so for quite a long time. Nothing to do with rima,etc. If this was on the word of a specialist, its a specialist picked by the hearts medical team and he's not done a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm sure I read that Kyle was against the idea of surgery - if that's true, what can the medical staff do about that? Exactly, just as I said in my post before yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Have you been hiding under a stone or something. It was Kyle who was told months ago by the Hearts Physio that he needed to have the operation. The blame lies firmly with Kyle here because he wanted to try other options before resorting to the operation. So get your facts right before slagging off the "medical team" ( I never knew we had such a thing to be perfectly honest I always thought it was The Physio). If KK has the authority to overrule the physio in a matter such as this then the boy is a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm sure I read that Kyle was against the idea of surgery - if that's true, what can the medical staff do about that? They could have said to JJ - "This boy is costing you 4k per week. He could look for other options for another couple of months, but that'll cost 32k in salary costs and you'll get no return for it. Honestly, Jim, my medical opinion is that he needs an operation cos he's got a hernia. Get it done now, he'll be playing again before the end of the season. If you let him dick around for a couple of months because he doesnt want the surgery you'll lose him until 11-12 season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share Posted March 18, 2011 Exactly, just as I said in my post before yours. Sorry, bud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share Posted March 18, 2011 They could have said to JJ - "This boy is costing you 4k per week. He could look for other options for another couple of months, but that'll cost 32k in salary costs and you'll get no return for it. Honestly, Jim, my medical opinion is that he needs an operation cos he's got a hernia. Get it done now, he'll be playing again before the end of the season. If you let him dick around for a couple of months because he doesnt want the surgery you'll lose him until 11-12 season." Of course they could have done that. Weren't we also consulting a specialist on Kyle's injury, though? Is that specialist part of our medical team? Surely not? I'm just arguing for the sake of balance, tbh - a lot of people are automatically moaning about our medical team, possibly with some justification, but probably without being aware of all the facts - I certainly don't know all of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Let's imagine that Kyle did have the hernia operation when he perhaps should have. Would we still be on the same points total we are now? I guess what I'm saying is "Yes, we miss him" but perhaps it is better that we are missing him now than say a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboJen Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If KK has the authority to overrule the physio in a matter such as this then the boy is a fool. We can't make him have surgery though, even if Hearts want him to and the experts say it's the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonauskas Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 To be fair, I'd want to try every other possibility before going under the knife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Let's imagine that Kyle did have the hernia operation when he perhaps should have. Would we still be on the same points total we are now? I guess what I'm saying is "Yes, we miss him" but perhaps it is better that we are missing him now than say a few months ago. He hasn't kicked a ball since half-way through the St. Johnstone cup game at the start of the year. If he had had his op around then, perhaps he might have made the top six games? I don't think the points total would have been affected at all - albeit we might have won some games at the end of the season with him back. As it stands it looks highly doubtful he will be fit until next season. If the team doesn't pick up soon we could well be needing some points in the top six to finish 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaing Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Have you been hiding under a stone or something. It was Kyle who was told months ago by the Hearts Physio that he needed to have the operation. The blame lies firmly with Kyle here because he wanted to try other options before resorting to the operation.So get your facts right before slagging off the "medical team" ( I never knew we had such a thing to be perfectly honest I always thought it was The Physio). Then he ( KK ) deserves all the injections he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 This is great, I need never go sit in the doctors waiting room with all the sick people & germs .... now we get free expert medical opinion and diagnosis on Jambo's Kickback - scrap the NHS I say - we'll save Billions per year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Maybe I'm reading this report on the Hearts website differently but it seems to suggest that it has been a "process of elimination" to determine what the problem was and therefore what the best course of treatment would be. This would suggest that's it's not been a straightforward case of going to a specialist and him taking one look and saying "you need an op" Then again why let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to slag off the medical team and /or back room set-up at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I know the square route of nowt about medicine. Hope it's worked and he's back soon. I knew we would miss him but I didn't realise just how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Every team has injury problems. Hearts appear to have more than others and have done so for quite a long time. Nothing to do with rima,etc. If this was on the word of a specialist, its a specialist picked by the hearts medical team and he's not done a good job. In lots of instances you have to look at the players that have the injuries and not the treatment they get. I am thinking here of players such as Kingston, Driver etc who seem to have been or are comfortable not playing. It is difficult for a Phsio to say to a player your injury has been sorted so you should be ready to play again if the player does'nt fancy it then he will say oh it's still is'nt quite right yet etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 This can be a difficult area to sort out requiring expert opinion and complex imaging investigations so I am not sure that anyone is "at fault". Medical team, if that is the correct term, will consist of physio, part time medical officer who may well be a GP with sports medicine interest and the local preferred Surgeon and probably Radiologist. I gather that opinion is often sought on our players from quite a high level as we have had patients referred to London and Birmingham in the past as far as I can gather. We are not the only club to have long term casualties although there have been times when we seem to have more than our share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 In lots of instances you have to look at the players that have the injuries and not the treatment they get. I am thinking here of players such as Kingston, Driver etc who seem to have been or are comfortable not playing. It is difficult for a Phsio to say to a player your injury has been sorted so you should be ready to play again if the player does'nt fancy it then he will say oh it's still is'nt quite right yet etc. So we can't slag the medical team, but it's ok to lump Driver in with Kingston... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If KK has the authority to overrule the physio in a matter such as this then the boy is a fool. Should they have slipped him some rohypnol and done the operation when he was asleep? KK didnt want an op. You cant "overrule" someone's wishes not to be sliced open and operated on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverley Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 its been stated on here several times by someone more knowledgeable than me, that this was similar to colin camerons injury where it took a while to get the correct diagnosis. in CCs case, it was to do with his teeth, so its not as simple as people would think in fairness to KK and has been said here already, i would also want to make sure everything was ruled out before i went for an op, especially if the root cause hadn't been ascertained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I know the square route of nowt about medicine. Then you're as well qualified as all the "experts" on JKB to comment on the health and fitness of our playing staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecce Romanov Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Then you're as well qualified as all the "experts" on JKB to comment on the health and fitness of our playing staff As the Regius Professor of General Surgery at the RIE, I'd say he has a cats chance in hell of playing again before the end of the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 As the Regius Professor of General Surgery at the RIE, I'd say he has a cats chance in hell of playing again before the end of the season! Seeing as you like the proclaimers your judgement is clearly flawed so I demand a second opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecce Romanov Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Seeing as you like the proclaimers your judgement is clearly flawed so I demand a second opinion Just you wait til you come in for surgery my boy. You may end up with a gender re-allignment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 So we can't slag the medical team, but it's ok to lump Driver in with Kingston... Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yes Can you explain why it is ok to compare a player who has been injured over a year partly because he was rushed back too early twice, thus making the problem worse, with a player who was accused of feigning injury then trotting off to play for his national team? To be honest, i think to say Driver is "comfortable not playing" is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Can you explain why it is ok to compare a player who has been injured over a year partly because he was rushed back too early twice, thus making the problem worse, with a player who was accused of feigning injury then trotting off to play for his national team? To be honest, i think to say Driver is "comfortable not playing" is ridiculous. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I don't. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yes No offence, wavydavy, but that's a right load of shite you're spraffing, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjamjolly Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Just you wait til you come in for surgery my boy. You may end up with a gender re-allignment! Dear Prof, should this be gender reassignment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecce Romanov Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Dear Prof, should this be gender reassignment? Apologies, you are right. Not my area of speciality. I'm more of a breast enhancement man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjamjolly Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Apologies, you are right. Not my area of speciality. I'm more of a breast enhancement man! Dear Prof, I think the technical term is breast augmentation, I'm beginning to think you're not who you say you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecce Romanov Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Dear Prof, I think the technical term is breast augmentation, I'm beginning to think you're not who you say you are. You say augmentation, I say enhancement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Problem Officer? Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Not to bothered if he doesn't make it come the conclusion of the season, we will still finish 3rd comfortably. I just hope he's fresh as a daisy and ready for the next campaign - a fit Kyle and a few other quality additions will hopefully see us have an even better season than this next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Can I just add a get well soon big man. You are badly missed. Get yourself ready for next season where I expect double figures goals wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Am I right in saying he didn't really get a pre season last year for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Just you wait til you come in for surgery my boy. You may end up with a gender re-allignment! Were they a result of one of your earlier day surgeries that in hindsight went badly wrong? "Congratulations Doctor, you've successfully separated the first pair of Siamese twins in known medical history. Of course on the downside we've now got two annoying ugly c^%ts to play the guitar instead of one but never mind, medical science has "advanced"". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I fail to see how you can criticise our medical team given that he has been in consultation with external specialists for months. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 JJ seems fairly confident that Special K might be back for the run in. Imo if we have secured third by then, then maybe we should rest him so that he is fully fit for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 JJ seems fairly confident that Special K might be back for the run in. Imo if we have secured third by then, then maybe we should rest him so that he is fully fit for next season. JJ seemed fairly confident that the course of injections KK had would work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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