Gambo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello 6 Blameless Thomson 2 Slack clearances led to both goals. Poor all round for him today back in his usual position Zaliukas 5 Not at his best Bouzid 5 Not great Jonsson 6 Not helped having to shift ball to his right foot. Mroweic 5 Did a semi decent job, but no need to have Stevenson helping him out. Stevenson 3 Murder Skacel 5 Has to cope with the whole opposition midfield at times Templeton 4 Usual from him, cut inside and run into defenders Suso 4 As Temps Elliot 1 Every time the ball goes near him he looks for a free kick. Elliott 4 Nothing to work with Glen 4 As Elliott JJ big fat ZERO. JJ, when he does not have his top 11 available is found badly wanting. His tactics are non existant, he never seems to have a plan b, even when on our winning run we were playing poorly in a lot of these games but scraping results. His insistance on playing 2 defensive minded midfielders (especially at home) is now becoming tiresome. JJ is a 'lucky' manager at time and is a very inept manager when it comes to tactics. Standing with your arms folded when going 2-0 down after 55mins is not what i want to see from our manager. Also spends a lot of time talking our team down whilst talking the opposition up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I had a feeling we lose with JJ's Pre match comments about if we finish third, he hopes Killie finish just below us. I wish players and managers would shut up about things like that. I remember in 98 when we on the cup. On the last derby of the season JJ said he did not want Hibs to go down but it will not stop us going out to win. We lost the game! I do thinknit can affect the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello 6 Thomson 3 as per most, 2nd half let him down. We all know why. Jonsson 3 use of ball is terrible, only shows proper determination in patches. Zaliukas 5 Bouzid 5 .................... Templeton 6 plenty graft, bits of craft but needs more help from outlets to work off. Skacel 4 non existent, needs to get involved more. Mrowiec 4 baffling choices in his passes, to slow to do things. Stevenson..4 too much world cup stuff when easier ball is on. is this guy fit? always looks knackered. ............. suso 7 proper application, some good runs and kept digging in. Elliot 2 so poor. Heart of a chicken, never wants it enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello - 6 Nothing he could of done for the goals C Thomson- 2 Shambles Zal - 5 Gave away the ball alot, hopefully an off day Bouzid - 5 Too slow, poor marking Jonsson - 6 Did well alright going forward, won his tackles Mrowiec- 4 Poor, poor passing, poor dribbling, he shouldnt be allowed to shoot Stevenson- 4 Decent touch, passing looked better but head went down and was poor 2nd half Suso - 6 good fight and determination, thomson didnt help him much though Rudi - 5 1 decent effort, very quiet today Temps - 7 Some great runs forward, caused problems, nobody upfront to help though Clum - 4 Won his headers but cant hold it up, doesnt make runs, 2 t's should of started Glen and 2 T's - not much time 5 for both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Overall we dominated the game but gave away two slack goals. Kello 7 Thomson 5 Zaliukas 5 Bouzid 6 Jonsson 6 Mroweic 7 Stevenson 5 Skacel 5 Templeton 7 Suso 7 CElliot 4 Elliott 7 Glen 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Pass marks (only just ) for Suso in the 1st half and Temps in the 2nd. We totally lacked any creativity from anyone else. Question for JJ. What will it take for you to take a risk and play any of Prychynenko, Robinson, Holt or Walker in midfield or do we have to put up with this gash until Black and Palazuelos are available again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 JJ once again failed to recognise the threat of Eremenko. He ran the game because JJ continues to play Stevenson who is not up to the task. I would have played Robinson to get in about Eremenko. [Fabulous goal from Eremenko by the way - tremendous touches on the ball] Kello - 6 - not his fault, tried to distribute the ball Thomson - 1 - absolutely awful, very low percentage passes all the time Bouzid - 5 - will not be sorry when he goes Zaliukas - 4 - poor effort for their first goal Jonsson - 6 - never say die, obviously not suited to left back Mrowiec - 4 - get Brellier back out of retirement Stevenson - 1 - times up, not up to the level required Suso - 7 - like the fighting spirit he has Skacel - 5 - fading fast this season Templeton - 6 - a few bright sparks but mostly runs down blind alleys Elliot - 3 - has had too many chances now Elliott - 3 - offers very little Glen - 5 - 2 good touches, 1 bad touch We cannot play this formation without Kyle. It is built round him and if he is not available then we have to change the system. We basically play with 4 forwards and that leaves the midfield 2 outgunned. Black and Palazuelos missed from that midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Pass marks (only just ) for Suso in the 1st half and Temps in the 2nd. We totally lacked any creativity from anyone else. Question for JJ. What will it take for you to take a risk and play any of Prychynenko, Robinson, Holt or Walker in midfield or do we have to put up with this gash until Black and Palazuelos are available again? I was thinking the same, stevenson and mrowiec were poor and craig thomsons freekicks were wasted. When your 2 goals down why not give prychynenko a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello 7 did nothing wrong CT 3 was murder but at least kept at it Zal 5 needed to boot his players backsides. Bouzid 5 okish Eggert 3 cant pass cant tackle he used to be able his career is getting wasted Mroweic 5 battled cant pass Stevenson 1 another chance wasted, looks likely he wont make it. Rudi 2 his usual one decent pass and one shot not good enough he should be leading by example. If it wasn't united next I would drop him Temps 5 tried but too greedy maybe trying to hard. SUZO 6 Good first half, nowhere the2nd Clumsy 1 another wasted place, why stephen elliott didn't start god knows. Subs pointless they had nothing to play off. JJ 1 ,when I saw the 11 starting I had a bad feelings, yes we have had a very good season so far, but such a lack luster performance is not acceptable any time. A few more like that then the nerves may kick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross21 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 At least 2 players showed they were desperately short. Clum & Stevenson are simply not good enough! Thomson 2nd half was poor, as was Skacel Jonsson is in danger of losing a potentially good career by playing out of position. I didnt understand why when they got a man sent off, Driver wasn't given a shot at leftback. And why wasn't Skacel pushed wide - there was no natural width Dont see what the love-in is with Suso?! He tried more than most, but was no better than morwiec!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I didnt understand why when they got a man sent off, Driver wasn't given a shot at leftback. And why wasn't Skacel pushed wide - there was no natural width Who would we have been left with in the middle of the park then? Mroweic and Stevenson were already playing as part of the managers preferred back 6 leaving Skacel to chase shadows in the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello - 6 no blame Thomson - 3 abject Zaliukas - 5 not his best game Bouzid - 5 meh Jonsson - 6 battled hard though clearly not comfortable in that position Templeton - 6 flashes of brilliance but nothing really came off Mrowiec - 5 win his fair share of tackles but gives the ball away too often Skacel - 4 a ghost Stevenson - 3 woeful Suso - 6 fights hard, one of the better players today Elliot 4 - offered nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Pass marks (only just ) for Suso in the 1st half and Temps in the 2nd. We totally lacked any creativity from anyone else. Question for JJ. What will it take for you to take a risk and play any of Prychynenko, Robinson, Holt or Walker in midfield or do we have to put up with this gash until Black and Palazuelos are available again? JJ does not play youngsters. And at times he is out of his depth tatically. As a side note did anyone else see/hear both Wright and Bryson (Hearts targets) both scream 'Get it fu**in up Jambo bas**** whilst celebrating the 1st goal. If they sign for us I won't forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Pass marks (only just ) for Suso in the 1st half and Temps in the 2nd. We totally lacked any creativity from anyone else. Question for JJ. What will it take for you to take a risk and play any of Prychynenko, Robinson, Holt or Walker in midfield or do we have to put up with this gash until Black and Palazuelos are available again? Man I seriously hope they are much better than what we currently have in midfield. However, JJ's lack of adventurous spirit in at least giving them a chance, does not auger well for their future! (How bad does the midfield have to get before he gives any of them a chance?) (and if they cant get in ahead of Stevenson then I worry about them!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The only pass marks I'd give are for Jonsson and Suso. Suso at least looked like he wanted the ball and Eggy never done much wrong. Everybody else looked like they were hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomb Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Who would we have been left with in the middle of the park then? Mroweic and Stevenson were already playing as part of the managers preferred back 6 leaving Skacel to chase shadows in the middle of the park. Rudi chase, are you sure? Never seen him break out if a jog, as usual! And Mroweic,killie let him have the ball all day as they knew he could do feck all with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Man I seriously hope they are much better than what we currently have in midfield. However, JJ's lack of adventurous spirit in at least giving them a chance, does not auger well for their future! (How bad does the midfield have to get before he gives any of them a chance?) (and if they cant get in ahead of Stevenson then I worry about them!) Has JJ gave any youngster teir big break this time around? I think Prytyencho is the only new youth player he has introduced to the squad in his time, all the other had had inclusion under other managers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 do we have to put up with this gash until Black and Palazuelos are available again? Some folk do have short memories. They two are just as bad as what is in the team at the moment and are definately not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertonian_II Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Had misgivings when I saw what the team was, and so it came to pass Kello 5 not at fault for goals Thomson 2 awful, woeful, crap Jonsson 4 right footer at left back but needs to pass to maroon jerseys Bouzid 5 not a dominant figure Zaliukas 5 as above Templeton 6 came to life in the second half Suso 7 if the other players showed half the fight we might have won the match. MoTM Skacel 5 becoming a luxury player Stevenson 3 taxi for Mroviec 4 never a football player. Elliot 3 pointless Elliott 3 not much went right Glen 1 JJ 2 why did he not try to put Zaliukas or Bouzid up front to try and win some high balls later on instead of adding another dwarf to the forward line? Are our U19 players so bad that they can't play better than some of the dross masquerading as first team players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Man I seriously hope they are much better than what we currently have in midfield. However, JJ's lack of adventurous spirit in at least giving them a chance, does not auger well for their future! (How bad does the midfield have to get before he gives any of them a chance?) (and if they cant get in ahead of Stevenson then I worry about them!) So Obua doesnt play so now Stevenson gets most of the stick. He was decent first half and head dropped second half after 2 bad passes and a missed shot, but his passing first half was fine, unlucky with a left foot chance, touch was pretty good. Tbf to him he was doing more than Mrowiec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Some folk do have short memories. They two are just as bad as what is in the team at the moment and are definately not the answer. I agree, but they were part of the side that did get results earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Kello 6 Thomson 3 Bouzid 5 Zaliukas 5 Jonsson 5 Stevenson 3 Mrowiec 3 Templeton 5 Skacel 4 Suso 7 Elliot 4 Elliott 3 Glen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Once again Kilmarnock come to town in the middle of a bad run and stuff us. What effing game were you at son? Overall we dominated (WHAT) the game but gave away two slack goals. Kello 7 Maybe. Thomson 5 Surely you are having a larf! Zaliukas 5 Possibly Bouzid 6 No chance Jonsson 6 No chance Mroweic 7 One of our better performers Stevenson 5 Not even close to this Skacel 5 Not even close to this Templeton 7 Poor first half but happy to see him coming on to a game in the 2nd. Suso 7 Okay first crap 2nd. CElliot 4 Not worth a single point. Has had way to many chances and has let us down 90% of the time., Elliott 7 Glen 4 My thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxburn_Jambo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Stevenson showed today that he is a first division player at best. Surely the only positive to come out of today is that this guy cannot be offered a new contract. Thought he gave up well before he was taken off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 If I were looking at the squad on the basis of today's game, time would be short for Thomson, Johnsson, Mrowiec, Stevenson, Elliot and possibly Elliott and Skacel. The game (from our point of view) was crying out for something different especially in MF and if Scott Robinson and Denis Prychynenko are no better than what was on show today, I despair for our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 If I were looking at the squad on the basis of today's game, time would be short for Thomson, Johnsson, Mrowiec, Stevenson, Elliot and possibly Elliott and Skacel. The game (from our point of view) was crying out for something different especially in MF and if Scott Robinson and Denis Prychynenko are no better than what was on show today, I despair for our future. What do you expect our future to be? We are well clear in third and having our best season for 5 years. A team should be judged over a season, not on individual games, on what it achieves and this has been a pretty successfull one imo. I thought we played better today than we had done for a few matches to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radioactive Mince Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Aye, so let's be thankful we've had the 'title challenge' but let's not judge 'til the season's end. Not being funny, but you seem to've judged already. Last paragraph - I agree (can only judge on highlights of aways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 We were rank rotten from the 25th minute on. Kello 5 -looked vulnerable for the first time in ages but was due a bad game Thomson 4 terrible second half Jonsson - 7 best player today , can't understand the criticism. Killie were no threat down his flank. Bouzid - 4 no loss if he leaves Suso 5 - always looking for a fight . Liability Temps - 6 anonymous first half . Really looked like he was getting back to his best later. Lucky not to be sent off. Stevenson 1 - terrible. Contributed zilch Mrowiec 4 - not the player he was Skacel 6 - good first 25 mins -went missing later Clum - 1 don't even start me on this imposter. Get rid of. 2Ts - 4 with no support what can you expect Glen 3 - ditto Stevenson 1- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Once again Kilmarnock come to town in the middle of a bad run and stuff us. What effing game were you at son? My thoughts. While you can't dismiss the slackness that cost us two goals, if you take that period out of the game, we dominated. We had far more possession and the ball was in their half most of the time. You don't have to be rude to express a differnce of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somakeanoise Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Just to stir things up a bit but Calum Elliot has now played under 7 managers. Are they all wrong? What did he have to play with yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Kello 6 Thomson 3 Bouzid 4 Zaliukas 5 Jonsson 5 Stevenson 3 Mrowiec 4 Templeton 5 Skacel 4 Suso 6 Elliot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupar Jambo Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 At least 2 players showed they were desperately short. Clum & Stevenson are simply not good enough! Thomson 2nd half was poor, as was Skacel Jonsson is in danger of losing a potentially good career by playing out of position. I didnt understand why when they got a man sent off, Driver wasn't given a shot at leftback. And why wasn't Skacel pushed wide - there was no natural width Dont see what the love-in is with Suso?! He tried more than most, but was no better than morwiec!! I agree 100% with what you say, your last part regarding Suso spot on maybe he tries but there is never an end product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 What do you expect our future to be? We are well clear in third and having our best season for 5 years. A team should be judged over a season, not on individual games, on what it achieves and this has been a pretty successfull one imo. I thought we played better today than we had done for a few matches to be honest. I expect to be bringing through youngsters good enough to replace tried and tested (and failed) journeymen and (as I've said before) if the academy cannot do this, we should seriously think about whether we can make better use of the money that is spent on it. While I accept that yesterday we had 3 or 4 key men out, I watched a very pedestrian central MF while at half time I saw a big strong-looking 6 footer, Prychynenko, look very comfortable with the ball. I have never seen the guy play but if he (or Scott Robinson) could not improve on yesterday's displays of Mrowiec, Stevenson and Skacel, then there is something wrong. By all means play the experienced players if that is what JJ decides but when it is patently obvious to all and sundry during the game that this isn't working, surely we try something different. Hands up all those who thought the introduction of Glen would change the course of yesterday's game. It looks as though, as Geoff Kilpatrick says earlier, being 3rd in the table satisfies the ambition of some supporters. It should not and if we continue the form of our last 2 games, we'll struggle to even finish 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Just to stir things up a bit but Calum Elliot has now played under 7 managers. Are they all wrong? What did he have to play with yesterday? He's been third choice under 7 managers. Ability wise he's a fair to middling SPL player. It's his attitude that stinks, he's like a 9 year old. As for yesterday, when Glen was brought on for CLum I felt like leaving, the lack of imagination in Jefferies subs is depressing, I would love to see Robinson get a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Kello - 6 - Not at fault for the goals. Thomson - 2 - Poor. Bouzid - 3 - Pish. Zaliukas - 3 - Pish and lucky to stay on the park. Jonsson - 4 - Tried. Mrowiec - 3 - Pish. Stevenson - 1 - Nowhere near good enough and should be released at the end of the season. Suso - 6 - Probably our best player yesterday Skacel - 2 - Can't remember the last time he played well.Is he worth another year? Templeton - 4 - Been struggling for a while now. Elliot - 0 - Just **** off. Elliott - 2 - Done nothing when he came on but still better than Clum. Glen - 2 - Same as Elliott. JJ - 1 - Poor stuff from JJ.Don't see the point in keeping playing shite like Stevenson and Clum.Pointless having 2 players from the under 19's on the bench (For the 2nd week in a row) and not giving them game time.Driver as well. The season is over we won't be caught and won't catch anyone.I really hope he gives players a shot between now and the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Kello - 6 - Not at fault for the goals. Thomson - 4 - Delivery not to usual standard but at least he didn't hide. Bouzid - 6 - Did ok. Zaliukas - 6 - Solid enough. Jonsson - 3 - looked very uncomfortable out of position. Mrowiec - 5 - Some good defending but passing forward was hopeless. Stevenson - 4 - Disappointed that he hasn't improved this season and if anything has gone backwards. Suso - 6 - Some good stuff but just needs to add an end product. Skacel - 5 - Struggling without Kyle to play off. Templeton - 6 - Some great stuff but like Suso needs to add an end product to his game. Elliot - 0 - disgraceful lacking in ability and attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchterjambo Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 So Obua doesnt play so now Stevenson gets most of the stick. He was decent first half and head dropped second half after 2 bad passes and a missed shot, but his passing first half was fine, unlucky with a left foot chance, touch was pretty good. Tbf to him he was doing more than Mrowiec. Here we go again ! What has Obua got to do with this ? , he wasn't there yesterday so you have to somehow twist Stevenson's situation to suit the defend Obua crusade. Stevenson is getting pelters for having a shocker and people are of the opinion that he is simply not good enough. It is not his fault that he is not good enough but it is a hard world out there and if you are in the position that he is and being selected and not performing then he will get stick - live with it. In this case though maybe some of the questtions should be directed at JJ - he signed him and Ok it was bargain basement sort of a deal but he has shown nothing to suggest that there is something more to come. Yesterday was the opportunity to give the young boys an outing but he didn't even let the guys get out for a warm -up , that must have been hard to take for them and certainly that ain't going to give them the right signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Here we go again ! What has Obua got to do with this ? , he wasn't there yesterday so you have to somehow twist Stevenson's situation to suit the defend Obua crusade. Stevenson is getting pelters for having a shocker and people are of the opinion that he is simply not good enough. It is not his fault that he is not good enough but it is a hard world out there and if you are in the position that he is and being selected and not performing then he will get stick - live with it. In this case though maybe some of the questtions should be directed at JJ - he signed him and Ok it was bargain basement sort of a deal but he has shown nothing to suggest that there is something more to come. Yesterday was the opportunity to give the young boys an outing but he didn't even let the guys get out for a warm -up , that must have been hard to take for them and certainly that ain't going to give them the right signals. Oh no thats my point, obua is normally the scapegoat despite not being the worst and now stevenson is despite not being the worst. He was getting a lot of undeserved stick when he was better in midfield than mrowiec when it came to passing and touch, unlucky with an effort. I think robinson or prychnenko shouldve got on to show what they can do. Not having a go at obua mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Oh no thats my point, obua is normally the scapegoat despite not being the worst and now stevenson is despite not being the worst. He was getting a lot of undeserved stick when he was better in midfield than mrowiec when it came to passing and touch, unlucky with an effort. I think robinson or prychnenko shouldve got on to show what they can do. Not having a go at obua mate Stevenson was about the worst on the park yesterday toss up between him and the Meerkat up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Stevenson was about the worst on the park yesterday toss up between him and the Meerkat up front. Ct was by far the worst. Clum was woeful. First half stevenson did nothing wrong, second half- a couple of misplaced passes and the fans were at him. Still offered more than mrowiec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Ct was by far the worst. Clum was woeful. First half stevenson did nothing wrong, second half- a couple of misplaced passes and the fans were at him. Still offered more than mrowiec. Stevenson hid yesterday like he does most of the time he is on the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Stevenson hid yesterday like he does most of the time he is on the park. Which is surprising, given the amount of tats he's got - wow, look at my tats, I'm so edgy and cool - except, he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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