bankies Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 don't know if this has been posted already but callum elliot won't play for the under 21's tonight due to a virus check the website for details p.s. don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing i will let everybody decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Busby ! Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 don't know if this has been posted already but callum elliot won't play for the under 21's tonight due to a virus check the website for details p.s. don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing i will let everybody decide Poor virus, hope its OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboFamily Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 maybe the same reason why rangers took there players out full squad!big game sat!!:mw_rolleyes:or frail needs his star man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 bad thing imo. a goal for Scotland could really have brought his confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 bad thing imo. a goal for Scotland could really have brought his confidence Yeah right like the two he scored against ICT then nothing since.I think this confidence thing is nonsense the guy is just ****e.If it is a confidence thing well he has been short of it for two seasons now. Was he even a goal machine at youth level ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 bad thing imo. a goal for Scotland could really have brought his confidence Will you stop it!! Ma sides canny handle anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Busby ! Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 bad thing imo. a goal for Scotland could really have brought his confidence Dunno about that RMS ... his two doubles this season should have been similar confidence builders. Or to put it another way, in addition to confidence, what Clum needs is ability. And so he might gain confidence, but ability ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yeah right like the two he scored against ICT then nothing since.I think this confidence thing is nonsense the guy is just ****e.If it is a confidence thing well he has been short of it for two seasons now. Was he even a goal machine at youth level ? I agree. It was not lack of confidence that made the only shot he had last Saturday go out for a throw-in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 bad thing imo. a goal for Scotland could really have brought his confidence Thats my thinking. Whether we like it or not Elliot is our no.9 right now. Also any Hearts player representing their country is good. The thing I think this remind us of, although I'm not his greatest fan, is the fact that Elliot is still under 21. He has bee around for a while so I think at times we tend to forget how young he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yeah right like the two he scored against ICT then nothing since.I think this confidence thing is nonsense the guy is just ****e.If it is a confidence thing well he has been short of it for two seasons now. Was he even a goal machine at youth level ? Then nothing since?! Its only been 2 games! 2 games which included 1 on Sat where he was given absolutely no supply whatsoever and played upfront alone. Also note in both games the whole team was very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Here's hoping that out of all the "fake" injuries and illnesses going about just now to keep players out the Scotland team, that this one is actually real enough to not only keep him out the Scotland team, but also the Hearts squad on Saturday too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I agree. It was not lack of confidence that made the only shot he had last Saturday go out for a throw-in... Anderson of Manchester United had a poorer shot against Liverpool which went out for a throwin further from the goal line than Elliot's. What is taking an isolated example like that supposed to prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 can we do a swap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 can we do a swap? Maybe for Viv Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Then nothing since?! Its only been 2 games! 2 games which included 1 on Sat where he was given absolutely no supply whatsoever and played upfront alone. Also note in both games the whole team was very poor. Two games where we needed goals.Another excuse used solely for Hearts players played up front on his own.Plenty of other strikers play up top on there own and manage to create chances and score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Then nothing since?! Its only been 2 games! 2 games which included 1 on Sat where he was given absolutely no supply whatsoever and played upfront alone. Also note in both games the whole team was very poor. "No supply" ??? More like NOT making runs into open spaces to make himself available for a pass! Yes the team is very poor and Clum is a big contributary factor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Two games where we needed goals.Another excuse used solely for Hearts players played up front on his own.Plenty of other strikers play up top on there own and manage to create chances and score. He scored 2 and worked well with Nade as part of a pair at Inverness. He brought a great save out of the St Mirren goalkeeper when Mole set him up in Paisley. His game has been better in the last couple of months when he has played as part of a pair up front. On Saturday he was the front striker - a position I think he is unsuited for - and for the most part his 'strike partner' was No 29. Not surprising that he had a poor game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 He scored 2 and worked well with Nade as part of a pair at Inverness. He brought a great save out of the St Mirren goalkeeper when Mole set him up in Paisley. His game has been better in the last couple of months when he has played as part of a pair up front. On Saturday he was the front striker - a position I think he is unsuited for - and for the most part his 'strike partner' was No 29. Not surprising that he had a poor game. So do you really think he has it in him to be a good goalscorer.Is there any real evidence out there to back this up.Was his goalscoring good in the reserves and U19'S before making the step up to the top team.Or has he always just been a grafter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Anderson of Manchester United had a poorer shot against Liverpool which went out for a throwin further from the goal line than Elliot's. What is taking an isolated example like that supposed to prove? Er the fact that it was an isolated example because it was the only shot he had.... I could of course mention that he cannot head a ball, has no pace let alone a change of pace, failed to bother to make a run into the box on the one occasion that one of our wingers was able to get in behind the Falkirk defence, is positively dangerous in the tackle, spends most of his time moaning about not getting decisions from referees, and that over the course of his career, in first team games he has a strike rate of 1 goal per 9 games, less if you factor in that he?s scored 3 doubles and one of those in extra time against first division opposition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 don't know if this has been posted already but callum elliot won't play for the under 21's tonight due to a virus check the website for details p.s. don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing i will let everybody decide A good thing, hopefully Shaggy will catch it too. The game against Kilmarnock summed up Elloit for me. We were better with 10 men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 So do you really think he has it in him to be a good goalscorer.Is there any real evidence out there to back this up.Was his goalscoring good in the reserves and U19'S before making the step up to the top team.Or has he always just been a grafter ? No I don't think he would ever be a good goalscorer (15-20 in the SPL per season). Watching him warm up and he rarely hits the target - even into an open net. I think he tries to put too much action on the ball when he hits it too. I like his workrate and I think he has a future playing off a striker. I think the criticism of him on this site is unfair. Just to make one point - he has never had a settled partnership with anyone up front due to the preposterous rotation system. It all comes down to what the team are trying to do. If all Hearts can afford to be is a mid SPL team then he will be fine to have in the squad. If we want to push for 3rd again then he needs to step up a level or be discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 So do you really think he has it in him to be a good goalscorer.Is there any real evidence out there to back this up.Was his goalscoring good in the reserves and U19'S before making the step up to the top team.Or has he always just been a grafter ? He was rated as the best player of his age in Edinburgh whilst coming up through the schoolboy ranks (better than Fletcher or Wallace, for example), so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 No I don't think he would ever be a good goalscorer (15-20 in the SPL per season). Watching him warm up and he rarely hits the target - even into an open net. I think he tries to put too much action on the ball when he hits it too. I like his workrate and I think he has a future playing off a striker. I think the criticism of him on this site is unfair. Just to make one point - he has never had a settled partnership with anyone up front due to the preposterous rotation system. It all comes down to what the team are trying to do. If all Hearts can afford to be is a mid SPL team then he will be fine to have in the squad. If we want to push for 3rd again then he needs to step up a level or be discarded. So to sum that all up he's ****e,but we are stuck with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 He was rated as the best player of his age in Edinburgh whilst coming up through the schoolboy ranks (better than Fletcher or Wallace, for example), so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt... Don?t you think it a bad sign that he?s only 19 or 20 yet even though who support him speak of him like his best days are behind him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 So do you really think he has it in him to be a good goalscorer.Is there any real evidence out there to back this up.Was his goalscoring good in the reserves and U19'S before making the step up to the top team.Or has he always just been a grafter ? But that's the point he is NOT a grafter! I thought his work rate on Saturday was abysmal - made no attempt to win a ball in the air, and I can't remember one time that he made a decent run into space. As usual all we got was Clum shambling about like torn faced Kevin (aka Harry Enfield) grumping at the referee and team mates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Er the fact that it was an isolated example because it was the only shot he had.... I could of course mention that he cannot head a ball, has no pace let alone a change of pace, failed to bother to make a run into the box on the one occasion that one of our wingers was able to get in behind the Falkirk defence, is positively dangerous in the tackle, spends most of his time moaning about not getting decisions from referees, and that over the course of his career, in first team games he has a strike rate of 1 goal per 9 games, less if you factor in that he?s scored 3 doubles and one of those in extra time against first division opposition... This is true. I do not believe he has the ability - he has had plenty chances with us and Motherwell and failed. The odd double once every year or so (one, as above in ET against a lower league side) is very poor. We keep hearing he has ability, but he never shows it, indeed he seems to show he has no ability. It is not confidence, if he lacks it that much, he is in the wrong profession. It is not his age, we have been told he is a youngster for ages now, he is young, but not that young from a footballing point of view. He seems to be going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Er the fact that it was an isolated example because it was the only shot he had....I could of course mention that he cannot head a ball, has no pace let alone a change of pace, failed to bother to make a run into the box on the one occasion that one of our wingers was able to get in behind the Falkirk defence, is positively dangerous in the tackle, spends most of his time moaning about not getting decisions from referees, and that over the course of his career, in first team games he has a strike rate of 1 goal per 9 games, less if you factor in that he?s scored 3 doubles and one of those in extra time against first division opposition... Sorry to correct you mate, but Clum did have another shot in the 1st half - where the dummy chose to shoot from 30 yards when Kingston was wide open for a free run in on goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 But that's the point he is NOT a grafter! I thought his work rate on Saturday was abysmal - made no attempt to win a ball in the air, and I can't remember one time that he made a decent run into space. As usual all we got was Clum shambling about like torn faced Kevin (aka Harry Enfield) grumping at the referee and team mates! I was trying to cut him a little bit of slack.More huffing and hawing i should have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 No I don't think he would ever be a good goalscorer (15-20 in the SPL per season). Watching him warm up and he rarely hits the target - even into an open net. I think he tries to put too much action on the ball when he hits it too. I like his workrate and I think he has a future playing off a striker. I think the criticism of him on this site is unfair. Just to make one point - he has never had a settled partnership with anyone up front due to the preposterous rotation system. It all comes down to what the team are trying to do. If all Hearts can afford to be is a mid SPL team then he will be fine to have in the squad. If we want to push for 3rd again then he needs to step up a level or be discarded. CASE CLOSED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 So to sum that all up he's ****e,but we are stuck with him. We have offloaded our better strikers in Jankauskas, Bednar, Pospisil and Velicka. Pinilla has the ability but is not interested. Nade's conditioning is a disgrace. Beniusis was clearly not good enough. And Mole/Glen are very young. So currently Elliot is amongst the best we have. Personally I would pull him out of the firing line and play Mole/Makela next Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 He was rated as the best player of his age in Edinburgh whilst coming up through the schoolboy ranks (better than Fletcher or Wallace, for example), so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt... Evidence of this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 CASE CLOSED! I remember a game against Dundee United I think early in the Burley days. Jankauskas/Bednar/Pospisil were absolutely hammering the ball into the back of the net in their warm ups. Watching the likes of Elliot/Velicka/Beniusis this year has been pretty laughable:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 This is true. I do not believe he has the ability - he has had plenty chances with us and Motherwell and failed. The odd double once every year or so (one, as above in ET against a lower league side) is very poor. We keep hearing he has ability, but he never shows it, indeed he seems to show he has no ability. It is not confidence, if he lacks it that much, he is in the wrong profession. It is not his age, we have been told he is a youngster for ages now, he is young, but not that young from a footballing point of view. He seems to be going backwards. Indeed. He has had more chances than any other young player who has proved ineffective, even Graeme Weir (I suspect)! It irritates me that we have other young strikers who must be crying into their pillows at night that Elliot keeps getting a game - Give others just some of the chances Elliot is getting and we have a far better chance of unleashing a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Frail must be getting fed up giving this lad the comfort talk every single week.The arm round the shoulder telling him it will be alright Calum things will get better next week,or the next or the next or the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 "No supply" ??? More like NOT making runs into open spaces to make himself available for a pass! Yes the team is very poor and Clum is a big contributary factor! His runs, in the 1st half in particular, were good on Sat. As was his touch and holding up off the ball. Unfortunately our wide men and attacking midfielder gave him nothing in terms of support. However i do agree that some strikers can play the lone role, but they are usually worth a hell of a lot of money and playing for much better teams than Hearts. Elliot proved against ICT that if given service and playing upfront with someone with a bit of ability(ie Nade or in the Burley season Bednar/Jankauskas) he knows where the goal is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Frail must be getting fed up giving this lad the comfort talk every single week.The arm round the shoulder telling him it will be alright Calum things will get better next week,or the next or the next or the next. The "comforting cuddle" that bugged me was the one Frail gave to Clum when he walked off the pitch against Killie - he should have kicked his er$e for being so stupid and leaving his team short handed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Frail must be getting fed up giving this lad the comfort talk every single week.The arm round the shoulder telling him it will be alright Calum things will get better next week,or the next or the next or the next. I don't think he will end up with us looking back on him as being a good player for Hearts. But he has been mismanaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Sorry to correct you mate, but Clum did have another shot in the 1st half - where the dummy chose to shoot from 30 yards when Kingston was wide open for a free run in on goal! OK now I?m just frustrated. You?ve made a valid point that both counters and supports my argument...I don?t know how to respond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 His runs, in the 1st half in particular, were good on Sat. As was his touch and holding up off the ball. Unfortunately our wide men and attacking midfielder gave him nothing in terms of support. However i do agree that some strikers can play the lone role, but they are usually worth a hell of a lot of money and playing for much better teams than Hearts. Elliot proved against ICT that if given service and playing upfront with someone with a bit of ability(ie Nade or in the Burley season Bednar/Jankauskas) he knows where the goal is "Runs"??? What runs??? Stephane Adam made "good" runs - I was at the game and all I saw was Clum wandering about dragging his feet in a permanent huff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srm12 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Honestly reading some of this pish about Elliot does my head in - Didier Drogba couldn't have done a job up front for Hearts on Sat. Yes Elliot has been poor this season but then so has everyone else! We all no he has no pace and is poor in the air thats a given. but when he has played with Nade his movement has been good and so has his linkup play. He will never be a 20 gaol a season man but he is miles, absolutely miles away from being the worst player in this Hearts squad and the slating he gets is a nonsense. Looking at Saturday's game in particular there is one main reason for the performance level and that was the fantastic tactic of not pressing the ball high up the pitch and not letting Stewart and Ruben make any forward runs. Couple this with Ksanavicious performance and we had a very ineffective midfield three. There were times in the first half when Elliot managed to get the ball down and not a soul was near him. If these were Frail's tactics then he really should just go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Honestly reading some of this pish about Elliot does my head in - Didier Drogba couldn't have done a job up front for Hearts on Sat. Yes Elliot has been poor this season but then so has everyone else! We all no he has no pace and is poor in the air thats a given. but when he has played with Nade his movement has been good and so has his linkup play. He will never be a 20 gaol a season man but he is miles, absolutely miles away from being the worst player in this Hearts squad and the slating he gets is a nonsense. Looking at Saturday's game in particular there is one main reason for the performance level and that was the fantastic tactic of not pressing the ball high up the pitch and not letting Stewart and Ruben make any forward runs. Couple this with Ksanavicious performance and we had a very ineffective midfield three. There were times in the first half when Elliot managed to get the ball down and not a soul was near him. If these were Frail's tactics then he really should just go. Reading YOUR post - I agree!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 don't know if this has been posted already but callum elliot won't play for the under 21's tonight due to a virus check the website for details p.s. don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing i will let everybody decide Is forgetting your pasport a virus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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