grumpyespana Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Should he stay or should he go, I like him as a player but he is a walking time bomb JJ is now having to hook him before he gets sent off. I like a bit of aggression in a player if its channeled in the right way ie Black to a certain extend this season what do you guys think. Grumpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe.gausden Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I agree he loses the head too easily but he gets frustrated as he takes a fair bit punishment and gets feck all protection from the refs a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The 'walking timebomb' who has been sent off how many times? That would be once and for that rumble in the tunnel against Hamilton after the game. So this liability has never actually been sent off in the field of play and left his team mates a man down. Not an awful lot came off for him last night but he was one of our better players, he never hides and always gets stuck in. So in conclusion, the question asked of this thread is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibpc Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He does look for very soft fouls and will never endear himself to linesmen and refs for his confrontational attitude. Always liable to be carded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Very much stay, JJ has turned him into a superb little player on his day, and even when things don't come off for him he never gives up. If all our players had the same attitude as Suso then we'd do ok. (I also love the way he shows absolutely no one any respect, he just gets torn right in about them) He'd be one of the first on my team sheet every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The 'walking timebomb' who has been sent off how many times? That would be once and for that rumble in the tunnel against Hamilton after the game. So this liability has never actually been sent off in the field of play and left his team mates a man down. Not an awful lot came off for him last night but he was one of our better players, he never hides and always gets stuck in. So in conclusion, the question asked of this thread is garbage. Now now, don't you know you're not allowed to let the facts get in the way of a good ol' fashioned witchhunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The 'walking timebomb' who has been sent off how many times? That would be once and for that rumble in the tunnel against Hamilton after the game. So this liability has never actually been sent off in the field of play and left his team mates a man down. Not an awful lot came off for him last night but he was one of our better players, he never hides and always gets stuck in. So in conclusion, the question asked of this thread is garbage. Am I allowed to agree with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Never really seen this "walking timebomb" in Suso. Not always very good, runs like he has a double hamstring injury but is big hearted, fearless and capable of the occasional moments of brilliance. Stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Am I allowed to agree with you? You're allowed to be right from time to time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Truly unbelievable... One red card? I am never sure why people are so desperate to find reasons to get rid of our better players... It's madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 You're allowed to be right from time to time Fankoo kind sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the mans got pace and............................................................................................................................................................................................. no wait thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He's foreign and has fits of temper. He isn't a good Scottish laddie who merely kicks lumps out of opponents in career-threatening lunges in the true traditions of the Scottish game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Crap thread, especially given theat JJ said he hooked Skacel to avoid him being sent off against Celtic, but nobody goes on about that. If you think Suso isn;t good enough, fine, argue that - you would be wrong, but you can argue it if you want, but this is just rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the mans got pace and............................................................................................................................................................................................. no wait thats all This must be a different Suso. The Suso i have been watching has reasonable acceleration and a good 'turn of pace' but he is no Usain Bolt. What he does have though (contrary to the "that's all" statement) is quick feet, good first touch and ball control a bag of tricks and the ability to go past 2 players at a time as well as setting up and scoring goals. The guy you are describing sounds pish, hope we don't ever sign him... Sounds like a fair description of Ivan Sproul or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 This must be a different Suso. The Suso i have been watching has reasonable acceleration and a good 'turn of pace' but he is no Usain Bolt. What he does have though (contrary to the "that's all" statement) is quick feet, good first touch and ball control a bag of tricks and the ability to go past 2 players at a time as well as setting up and scoring goals. The guy you are describing sounds pish, hope we don't ever sign him... Sounds like a fair description of Ivan Sproul or something. the man runs down more blind alleys then stevie wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the man runs down more blind alleys then stevie wonder Funny wee pun... Completely inaccurate appraisal but half a point for the pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the man runs down more blind alleys then stevie wonder And you're as funny as Chick Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the man runs down more blind alleys then stevie wonder By the looks of Stevie these days, he doesn't do much running. On a serious note you must be watching a different Suso to me because I think he's decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Funny wee pun... Completely inaccurate appraisal but half a point for the pun. why thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 And you're as funny as Chick Young. WHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 By the looks of Stevie these days, he doesn't do much running. On a serious note you must be watching a different Suso to me because I think he's decent. well untill i see something different in hes game , hes a hot head with pace , need more from the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 well untill i see something different in hes game , hes a hot head with pace , need more from the man Thank christ you're not in charge then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 well untill i see something different in hes game , hes a hot head with pace , need more from the man Where are you getting this fallacy about Suso having so much pace? seriously? Suso is not a particularly fast player, he has very good close control and quick-feet in the sense that he can make step overs and wee flicks to get past opponents but he is far from a fast runner. He has a decent little spurt of acceleration, which he uses to get round an opponent -after he has used his skill to poke the ball past them- but flat out he is our slowest winger by a country mile (unless you would still count Skacel as a winger). You must be watching a different player each week, have you seen Suso much this season and last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I like Suso and he's having a great season. Favourite thing about him as a player is that he has so little respect for whoever he plays against. He gets stuck right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Didn't Jim say that if Suso was any faster we wouldn't be able to afford him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thank christ you're not in charge then glenn helder dennis rommedahl John Chiedozie what do thay all have in common ? very fast but no end project, even aaron lennon falls in to that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I give up... Must be a different player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 glenn helder dennis rommedahl John Chiedozie what do thay all have in common ? very fast but no end project, even aaron lennon falls in to that as well I see no-one's posts are getting through but lets try again.... SUSO HASN'T GOT PACE And relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Where are you getting this fallacy about Suso having so much pace? seriously? Suso is not a particularly fast player, he has very good close control and quick-feet in the sense that he can make step overs and wee flicks to get past opponents but he is far from a fast runner. He has a decent little spurt of acceleration, which he uses to get round an opponent -after he has used his skill to poke the ball past them- but flat out he is our slowest winger by a country mile (unless you would still count Skacel as a winger). You must be watching a different player each week, have you seen Suso much this season and last? i watch the man week in week out , and how can you say hes not a particularly fast player, hes pi$$ed pasted player with kocking the ball 100 yeards in front of him then chaseing after it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the mans got pace and............................................................................................................................................................................................. no wait thats all I take it the Weststand in your username is the one at Easter Rd.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 i watch the man week in week out , and how can you say hes not a particularly fast player, hes pi$$ed pasted player with kocking the ball 100 yeards in front of him then chaseing after it That's Ivan Sproule you're thinking of. re: the bit in bold, I take it you're not taking English as a Higher this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I see no-one's posts are getting through but lets try again.... SUSO HASN'T GOT PACE And relax im reading what you are saying and im entitled to my opinion, as well as you lot on here , all of you are wrong tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I take it the Weststand in your username is the one at Easter Rd.? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He has good close control and good accelerataion, he uses tricks to get the ball past the opponent and then uses his acceleration to get himself past. I have no idea how you cannot see this, its what he does every time, week in and week out. If he had pace he would be able to mix it up more and use that from time to time like Driver does to good effect... Then tje boy would be absolutely frightening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 That's Ivan Sproule you're thinking of. re: the bit in bold, I take it you're not taking English as a Higher this year? sorry sir wont , i mean will not happen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 sorry sir wont , i mean will not happen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 very fast but no end project Outside of the OF, only Maguire has more assists than Suso this season. Even though Suso's been out injured for months. (SPL stats) Which West Stand are you referring to...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Outside of the OF, only Maguire has more assists than Suso this season. Even though Suso's been out injured for months. (SPL stats) Which West Stand are you referring to...? highbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 highbury Ah. Perhaps you spend more time there than watching Suso. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ah. Perhaps you spend more time there than watching Suso. Fair enough. not really as thay closed it down to make flats in 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vengeance Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I think this is a no brained we have to keep him, on days like the 2nd half at Falkirk in the cup he was outstanding!! His temper does get the better off him sometimes but that's something he can work on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 not really as thay closed it down to make flats in 2006 I know that - I live round the corner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Suso is a major goal threat and was one of our best, if not our best player before he got injured. When was the last time he was sent off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I know that - I live round the corner! if your asking me do i spend more time watching arsenal then hearts i am a season ticket holder but i all ways watch the hearts games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Suso has skill, he keeps going against the odds and what GFA refs throw at him and he's passionate about his club- in short the epitome of a Jambo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 if your asking me do i spend more time watching arsenal then hearts i am a season ticket holder but i all ways watch the hearts games Fair enough... And yet you think that Suso knocks the ball 100 yards past players and then uses blistering pace to out run them, before having no end product in the shape of assists or goals? You cannot blame Hackney for trying to throw you a bone, in terms of Hearts player analysis, you do seem to have been somewhere else entirely for the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I've actually lost count of the amount of times I've defended Suso on here. I honestly just can't understand where this Suso GTF stuff comes from. I'm baffled. As I have said before, last season he was our top goal scorer, he also had the most shots on target of any Hearts player, far more than any of our 'strikers' did last season. This season, well, I shouldn't really have to defend him but I will. He was one of, if not our best player until he got injured, he was ripping through defences, getting shots away and always works his socks off. For me anyone who doesn't want this guy in our team needs their head examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weststand93 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Fair enough... And yet you think that Suso knocks the ball 100 yards past players and then uses blistering pace to out run them, before having no end product in the shape of assists or goals? You cannot blame Hackney for trying to throw you a bone, in terms of Hearts player analysis, you do seem to have been somewhere else entirely for the last two seasons. lets slow down for a bit here , i never once said hes pony get rid, i said hes fast but there is not much more to hes game that i can see , now from watching arsenal as long as i have maybe im comparing him to the likes of right sided players weve had , but no way would i want him to go , he can be useful coming on when the game needs a bit more and he can run at players when thay are a blowing out there backside, the quick feet comes in to when i say hes got pace as he can get away from player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 lets slow down for a bit here , i never once said hes pony get rid, i said hes fast but there is not much more to hes game that i can see , now from watching arsenal as long as i have maybe im comparing him to the likes of right sided players weve had , but no way would i want him to go , he can be useful coming on when the game needs a bit more and he can run at players when thay are a blowing out there backside, the quick feet comes in to when i say hes got pace as he can get away from player This is in danger of becoming a bit bullying on you so i am not going to keep on much longer but... Your description of the guy sounds like a totaly different player to the one I am thinking of... By quick feet i meant his ability to bluff and to move the ball about and he does have a good wee spurt of acceleration but to me he does not appear to have much of a top-end, he relies on his ball control and tricks to get the ball past and then turns and uses his acceleration to meet the ball once it is past the opposition player. The guy you are describing does not match the guy I have been watching for the last couple of seasons. I will watch him more closely for signs of this method you describe and see if I can see what you do but right now... I am damned if I know what you are talking about. Maybe you could also watch him more closely and see if what I am saying about him is more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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