Hearts Heritage Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There have been 84 last 16 draws in the Cup with the Old Firm in it. This is the 6th time they have been drawn together Odds are 1 in 15 = 0.0667 so 6 out of 84 = 0.0714 so slightly higher than the natural odds 1892 SC Apart 1893 SC Apart 1894 SC Apart 1898 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Apart 1902 SC Apart 1903 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Apart 1906 SC Apart 1907 SC Apart 1908 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1910 SC Apart 1911 SC Apart 1912 SC Apart 1913 SC Apart 1914 SC Apart 1920 SC Apart 1921 SC Apart 1922 SC Apart 1925 SC Apart 1926 SC Apart 1927 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1930 SC Apart 1932 SC Apart 1933 SC Apart 1934 SC Apart 1935 SC Apart 1938 SC Apart 1939 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1950 SC Apart 1953 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1955 SC Apart 1956 SC Apart 1957 SC Together 1958 SC Apart 1959 SC Together 1960 SC Apart 1961 SC Apart 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1964 SC Apart 1965 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1970 SC Together 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1974 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1978 SC Apart 1979 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1982 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1984 SC Apart 1985 SC Apart 1988 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1990 SC Together 1991 SC Apart 1992 SC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 1996 SC Apart 1997 SC Apart 1998 SC Apart 1999 SC Apart 2001 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart 2003 SC Apart 2004 SC Apart 2008 SC Apart 2009 SC Apart 2010 SC Apart 2011 SC Together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hearts and Hibs 5 out of 55 = 0.0909 or 56 if both get through 1890 SC Apart 1895 SC Apart 1896 SC Apart 1897 SC Apart 1898 SC Apart 1900 SC Together 1901 SC Apart 1902 SC Apart 1903 SC Apart 1906 SC Apart 1907 SC Apart 1908 SC Apart 1909 SC Apart 1910 SC Apart 1913 SC Apart 1924 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1930 SC Together 1933 SC Apart 1934 SC Apart 1935 SC Apart 1939 SC Apart 1947 SC Apart 1949 SC Apart 1951 SC Apart 1953 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1958 SC Together 1961 SC Apart 1965 SC Apart 1971 SC Together 1972 SC Apart 1974 SC Apart 1976 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1978 SC Apart 1979 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1982 SC Apart 1986 SC Apart 1987 SC Apart 1988 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1990 SC Apart 1992 SC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1994 SC Together 1995 SC Apart 1997 SC Apart 2000 SC Apart 2001 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart 2005 SC Apart 2006 SC Apart 2007 SC Apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There has been very marked increase in the number and frequency of non-cup-final Old Firm pairings since they started making attended live draws .... make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Meurig Thomas Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hearts and Hibs 5 out of 55 = 0.0909 or 56 if both get through EDINBURGH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION GTFFFF!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 There has been very marked increase in the number and frequency of non-cup-final Old Firm pairings since they started making attended live draws .... make of that what you will. Scottish Cup Semi Draws 1892 SC Together 1894 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Together 1902 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1925 SC Together 1926 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1960 SC Together 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1992 SC Together 1996 SC Together 1998 SC Together 1999 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart Hearts vs Hibs was even more biased in semis 1896 SC Apart 1901 SC Together 1907 SC Apart 1947 LC Apart 1986 SC Apart 1989 LC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 2005 LC Apart 2005 SC Apart 2006 SC Together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonshrew Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There has been very marked increase in the number and frequency of non-cup-final Old Firm pairings since they started making attended live draws .... make of that what you will. Yea id say far less fixed now. Great draw though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 how many time have they been kept apart for semi final draws?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Meurig Thomas Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Scottish Cup Semi Draws 1892 SC Together 1894 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Together 1902 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1925 SC Together 1926 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1960 SC Together 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1992 SC Together 1996 SC Together 1998 SC Together 1999 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart Hearts vs Hibs was even more biased in semis 1896 SC Apart 1901 SC Together 1907 SC Apart 1947 LC Apart 1986 SC Apart 1989 LC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 2005 LC Apart 2005 SC Apart 2006 SC Together More evidence as if it was needed. I hope the deniers remove their heads from the sand and wake up and smell the coffee/ill thought-out paranoid cliche/ill thought-out paranoid cliche/ill thought-out paranoid cliche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There have been 84 last 16 draws in the Cup with the Old Firm in it. This is the 6th time they have been drawn together Odds are 1 in 15 = 0.0667 so 6 out of 84 = 0.0714 so slightly higher than the natural odds 1892 SC Apart 1893 SC Apart 1894 SC Apart 1898 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Apart 1902 SC Apart 1903 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Apart 1906 SC Apart 1907 SC Apart 1908 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1910 SC Apart 1911 SC Apart 1912 SC Apart 1913 SC Apart 1914 SC Apart 1920 SC Apart 1921 SC Apart 1922 SC Apart 1925 SC Apart 1926 SC Apart 1927 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1930 SC Apart 1932 SC Apart 1933 SC Apart 1934 SC Apart 1935 SC Apart 1938 SC Apart 1939 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1950 SC Apart 1953 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1955 SC Apart 1956 SC Apart 1957 SC Together 1958 SC Apart 1959 SC Together 1960 SC Apart 1961 SC Apart 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1964 SC Apart 1965 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1970 SC Together 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1974 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1978 SC Apart 1979 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1982 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1984 SC Apart 1985 SC Apart 1988 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1990 SC Together 1991 SC Apart 1992 SC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 1996 SC Apart 1997 SC Apart 1998 SC Apart 1999 SC Apart 2001 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart 2003 SC Apart 2004 SC Apart 2008 SC Apart 2009 SC Apart 2010 SC Apart 2011 SC Together great draw for the rest of the teams. Mon the Hearts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 It appears as thoug hthe inclement weateehr has affected this years draw as they were unable to heat up one of the old firm balls prior to the draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyblack'sshot Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 How about the other draws or the number of times they have been drawn together in the SC full-stop compared with Hearts and Hibs? Maybe they WANTED to be drawn together this time as they're both so hard up for cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There is a simple explanation for keepeing Hearts & Hibs apart in semi finals most of the time - they don't want games played in Edinburgh - simple have them travel through to glasgow at additional expense and make sure hampden gets a cut of the money not muddyfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 Old firm drawn together L256 R1 1891 L004 SF 1892 L002 F 1894 L002 F 1899 L004 SF 1900 L032 R1 1901 L008 R3 1903 L002 F 1904 L004 SF 1905 L008 R3 1907 L016 R2 1908 L002 F 1909 L008 R4 1920 L004 SF 1925 L002 F 1928 L008 R4 1953 L016 R6 1957 L016 R3 1959 L004 SF 1960 L002 F 1963 L008 R4 1964 L002 F 1966 L002 F 1969 L016 R3 1970 L002 F 1971 L002 F 1973 L002 F 1977 L002 F 1980 L002 F 1989 L016 R4 1990 L008 R5 1991 L004 SF 1992 L004 SF 1996 L008 R5 1997 L004 SF 1998 L002 F 1999 L002 F 2002 L008 QF 2004 L032 R3 2005 L016 R4 2011 L002 15 L004 8 L008 8 L016 6 L032 2 L256 1 Hearts and Hibs drawn together First seven were because draw was regional at that stage L256 R1 1878 L064 R3 1880 L064 R3 1881 L064 R3 1884 L128 R2 1886 L128 R3 1887 L064 R3 1888 L002 F 1896 L016 R2 1900 L004 SF 1901 L008 R3 1910 L032 R1 1912 L016 R3 1930 L008 R4 1933 L032 R5 1955 L016 R3 1958 L032 R2 1966 L016 R4 1971 L008 R5 1979 L016 R4 1994 L004 SF 2006 L032 R4 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 There is a simple explanation for keepeing Hearts & Hibs apart in semi finals most of the time - they don't want games played in Edinburgh - simple have them travel through to glasgow at additional expense and make sure hampden gets a cut of the money not muddyfield. Hibs wanted the 1896 final played in Glasgow because it would have attracted a larger crowd based on the large Irish population in Glasgow who would have supported the greens, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Old Firm in the last 16 Chance of Getting 6 or fewer meetings in 84 chances in the last 16 = 72.9% Chance of Getting 6 or more meetings in 84 chances in the last 16 = 42.9% Hearts Hibs in the last 16 Chance of Getting 5 or fewer meetings in 56 chances in the last 16 = 86.4% Chance of Getting 5 or more meetings in 56 chances in the last 16 = 27.1% Old Firm in the last 4 Chance of Getting 8 or fewer pairings in 32 semi final draws = 59.4% Chance of Getting 8 or more pairings in 32 semi final draws = 56.8% Hearts Hibs in the last 4 Chance of Getting 2 or fewer pairings in 11 semi final draws = 45.5% Chance of Getting 2 or more pairings in 11 semi final draws = 80.3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hearts and Hibs drawn together: L002 F 1896 L016 R2 1900 L004 SF 1901 L008 R3 1910 L032 R1 1912 L016 R3 1930 L008 R4 1933 L032 R5 1955 L016 R3 1958 L032 R2 1966 L016 R4 1971 L008 R5 1979 L016 R4 1994 L004 SF 2006 L032 R4 2009 40 years since we've been drawn at home to them.... (Quarter final 2011??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There has been very marked increase in the number and frequency of non-cup-final Old Firm pairings since they started making attended live draws .... make of that what you will. A marked increase but not statistically significant. Old Firm in the last 4 up to 1989 Chance of Getting 5 or fewer pairings in 27 semi final draws = 29.9% Chance of Getting 5 or more pairings in 27 semi final draws = 84.2% Old Firm in the last 2 since 1989 Chance of Getting 3 or fewer pairings in 5 semi final draws = 98.4% Chance of Getting 3 or more pairings in 5 semi final draws = 10.4% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithl050 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 What a pointless post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 ahhhhh sharrup. old firm and GFA - GTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Doubt if fix these days as most draws are live so the traditional square ball will be easily noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 There have been 84 last 16 draws in the Cup with the Old Firm in it. This is the 6th time they have been drawn together Odds are 1 in 15 = 0.0667 so 6 out of 84 = 0.0714 so slightly higher than the natural odds 1892 SC Apart 1893 SC Apart 1894 SC Apart 1898 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Apart 1902 SC Apart 1903 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Apart 1906 SC Apart 1907 SC Apart 1908 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1910 SC Apart 1911 SC Apart 1912 SC Apart 1913 SC Apart 1914 SC Apart 1920 SC Apart 1921 SC Apart 1922 SC Apart 1925 SC Apart 1926 SC Apart 1927 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1930 SC Apart 1932 SC Apart 1933 SC Apart 1934 SC Apart 1935 SC Apart 1938 SC Apart 1939 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1950 SC Apart 1953 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1955 SC Apart 1956 SC Apart 1957 SC Together 1958 SC Apart 1959 SC Together 1960 SC Apart 1961 SC Apart 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1964 SC Apart 1965 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1970 SC Together 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1974 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1978 SC Apart 1979 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1982 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1984 SC Apart 1985 SC Apart 1988 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1990 SC Together 1991 SC Apart 1992 SC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 1996 SC Apart 1997 SC Apart 1998 SC Apart 1999 SC Apart 2001 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart 2003 SC Apart 2004 SC Apart 2008 SC Apart 2009 SC Apart 2010 SC Apart 2011 SC Together And if they hadn't been drawn together today what would it have been 5 out of 84? Slightly lower, fix as well? In fact can you work out the scenario for getting bang on the natural odds please so we know what we should have expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Scottish Cup Semi Draws 1892 SC Together 1894 SC Apart 1899 SC Apart 1900 SC Together 1902 SC Apart 1904 SC Apart 1905 SC Together 1909 SC Apart 1925 SC Together 1926 SC Apart 1928 SC Apart 1929 SC Apart 1948 SC Apart 1954 SC Apart 1960 SC Together 1962 SC Apart 1963 SC Apart 1966 SC Apart 1969 SC Apart 1971 SC Apart 1972 SC Apart 1973 SC Apart 1977 SC Apart 1980 SC Apart 1981 SC Apart 1983 SC Apart 1989 SC Apart 1992 SC Together 1996 SC Together 1998 SC Together 1999 SC Apart 2002 SC Apart Hearts vs Hibs was even more biased in semis 1896 SC Apart 1901 SC Together 1907 SC Apart 1947 LC Apart 1986 SC Apart 1989 LC Apart 1993 SC Apart 1995 SC Apart 2005 LC Apart 2005 SC Apart 2006 SC Together Most striking thing for me is that both OF haven't been in the SF SC draw since 2002... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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