"Dr" John Reid (NHC)

[jambovambo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid,_Baron_Reid_of_Cardowan

 

"According to George Galloway, Reid is an accomplished singer and guitar player and "taught a whole generation of Labour activists, including yours truly, the entire IRA songbook". "

 

"However during the Bosnian War, Reid struck up a friendship with Serb rebel leader (and later indicted war-criminal) Radovan Karad?i?; Reid admitted he spent three days at a luxury Geneva lakeside hotel as a guest of Karad?i? in 1993.[3] This was during the period (April 1992-July 1995) in which the crimes for which Karad?i? was indicted in 1995 were committed"

 

There's plenty more.

[Danny Wilde]

And lets not forget that Reid has accepted the highest honour that the British state can bestow. A peerage.

 

How "Lord Reid" squares that ... with his chairmanship of a club with such strong cultural and political ties with Ireland ... can only be achieved through breathaking personal arrogance and hypocracy.

All of which he has in spades.

[world_3]

http://en.wikipedia....eid_of_Cardowan

 

"According to George Galloway, Reid is an accomplished singer and guitar player and "taught a whole generation of Labour activists, including yours truly, the entire IRA songbook". "

 

"However during the Bosnian War, Reid struck up a friendship with Serb rebel leader (and later indicted war-criminal) Radovan Karad?i?; Reid admitted he spent three days at a luxury Geneva lakeside hotel as a guest of Karad?i? in 1993.[3] This was during the period (April 1992-July 1995) in which the crimes for which Karad?i? was indicted in 1995 were committed"

 

There's plenty more.

 

Yep, he's the war criminal's friend. Perfectly suited to his vile fascist club.

[Knicksen]

Yep, he's the war criminal's friend. Perfectly suited to his vile fascist club.

 

Saw this "Sports journalist Graham Spiers (the discredited journalist) " further down - what's that all about then?

K

 

 

[Commander Harris]

Saw this "Sports journalist Graham Spiers (the discredited journalist) " further down - what's that all about then?

K

 

 

it's a "follow follow" thing. ?On the forum there they use their swear filter to append ?"(the discredited journalist)" to any mentions of Graham Spiers on their site. ?Some Rangers fan has obviously edited the wiki page to reference this. ?

[CF11JamTart]

Saw this "Sports journalist Graham Spiers (the discredited journalist) " further down - what's that all about then?

K

 

As far as I'm aware, it's just that his reluctance to kow-tow to the OF meant that he antagonised lots of OF-ers.

 

I've always thought he was OK, although he has a puffed-up opinion of himself. I guess that's how journalists roll, though. I read his book in Paul Le Guen's Rangers days and thought it was very balanced. He was prepared to criticise Bazza for undermining PLG and also having a go at the Rangers "Institution" and its traditions.

 

If I remember right , there was speculation that Murray "had a word" with the editor (or whoever) of The Herald, and suggested that it might be better if Speirs piped-down or went elsewhere. He's now writing for the London Times.

[Commander Harris]

As far as I'm aware, it's just that his reluctance to kow-tow to Rangers meant that he antagonised lots of Rangers fans.

 

I've always thought he was OK, although he has a puffed-up opinion of himself. I guess that's how journalists roll, though. I read his book in Paul Le Guen's Rangers days and thought it was very balanced. He was prepared to criticise Bazza for undermining PLG and also having a go at the Rangers "Institution" and its traditions.

 

If I remember right , there was speculation that Murray "had a word" with the editor (or whoever) of The Herald, and suggested that it might be better if Speirs piped-down or went elsewhere. He's now writing for the London Times.

I fixed that for you.

 

note all your examples of balance are Rangers related. ?

[jambovambo]

it's a "follow follow" thing. ?On the forum there they use their swear filter to append ?"(the discredited journalist)" to any mentions of Graham Spiers on their site. ?Some Rangers fan has obviously edited the wiki page to reference this. ?

 

How hilarious of them.

 

Had the misfortune to do a google search - Graham Spiers discredited - and arrived at this (warning - links to Hvn site) ...

[Pants Shaton]

A truly horrendous individual.

 

An opportunist.

 

A hypocrite.

 

His insistence on being referred to as 'Dr' gives some indication of his intellectual insecurities - the vast majority of parliamentary PhDs and Professors chose not to use their academic titles.

 

Celtic Football Club and John Reid - a marriage made in heaven.

[jambos are go!]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

[Hearts Machine]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

How so?

[Boris]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

It's not necessarily bigotry. You can despise Sellick and her employees without being bigoted.

[CF11JamTart]

I fixed that for you.

 

note all your examples of balance are Rangers related. ?

 

 

Sorry, I must be too stupid to see the point you are making.

[Danny Wilde]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

 

Really ? This from 1996 which is the closest he came to leading The Labour Party:

 

http://www.guardian....omesleaderillbe

 

John Reid must not become leader of the Labour party. This pugnacious product of the Lanarkshire Labour badlands is temperamentally unsuited to the role of prime minister. He is an aggressive and unstable character who thrives on confrontation and conspiracy. The thought of John Reid with his finger on the nuclear button is frankly terrifying.

 

This is the politician who thought it was appropriate to spend three days in a luxury hotel with Radovan Karadzic. He famously punched a House of Commons attendant in 1991 during his years as a violent alcoholic. But giving up the bottle didn't tame his temper. He nearly came to blows with the late Donald Dewar - no pugilist he - over the so-called "lobbygate affair" in 1999. The next first minister, Henry McLeish, described Reid as a "patronising b*****d.

 

Reid's son Kevin, who working for the firm Beattie Media, had been secretly taped boasting of his access to ministers. Kevin Reid's subsequent employment as a parliamentary researcher led to the astonishing confrontation between the then Northern Ireland secretary and the parliamentary standards commissioner, Elizabeth Filkin.

 

She accused John Reid of intimidating witnesses and attempting to undermine her inquiries. She even had tape recordings of Reid browbeating the former general secretary of the Scottish Labour party, Alex Rowley over his evidence.

 

Ms Filkin - who subsequently resigned - said "the conduct of Dr Reid caused serious and increasing concern" and it has continued to do so. He has been in eight ministerial posts in his post-alcoholic career, each more disastrous than the last.

 

When he was at health he negotiated the consultants pay deal which, with the parallel GP contracts, has been a major cause of the current financial crisis at the NHS. At defence he famously attacked "rogue elements" in M15 and M16 and said that British soldiers in Afghanistan would "return without firing a shot".

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Did any shots ever get fired in Afghanistan?

[2NaFish]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

 

I dont think there is a sentence in this whole thing that isnt either simply wrong, a misrepresentation or a non sequitur. The final sentence is the only part that is really relevant on a football forum and it is utterly ridiculous.

[world_3]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

Total utter bollox he was sucking up to Karad?i? a long long time before he got involved with Celtic. He's a hideous fascist who backed the architect of ethnic cleansing and genocide in the Bosnian War, and lied to the people of Britain to try and sugar coat Blair's decision to join Bush go to war against the Iraqis regardless of the truth or the rights and wrongs of the situation.

[SE16 3LN]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

Up until the last sentence I wouldn't have had a problem with your point of view. Then you lost it. Intersestingly enough I don't think anyone on here hates DR Reid as much as the green brigade or whatever they're called.

[world_3]

Up until the last sentence I wouldn't have had a problem with your point of view. Then you lost it. Intersestingly enough I don't think anyone on here hates DR Reid as much as the green brigade or whatever they're called.

 

Wrong, I do. Collusion with a "man" - if you could call him that - who committed genocide against the Bosnian Muslims.

[jambos are go!]

Total utter bollox he was sucking up to Karad?i? a long long time before he got involved with Celtic. He's a hideous fascist who backed the architect of ethnic cleansing and genocide in the Bosnian War, and lied to the people of Britain to try and sugar coat Blair's decision to join Bush go to war against the Iraqis regardless of the truth or the rights and wrongs of the situation.

This is opinion not fact. Fact.

[durhamhearts]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid,_Baron_Reid_of_Cardowan

 

"According to George Galloway, Reid is an accomplished singer and guitar player and "taught a whole generation of Labour activists, including yours truly, the entire IRA songbook". "

 

"However during the Bosnian War, Reid struck up a friendship with Serb rebel leader (and later indicted war-criminal) Radovan Karad?i?; Reid admitted he spent three days at a luxury Geneva lakeside hotel as a guest of Karad?i? in 1993.[3] This was during the period (April 1992-July 1995) in which the crimes for which Karad?i? was indicted in 1995 were committed"

 

There's plenty more.

Fits right in at that vile institution Celtic

[jambos are go!]

Wrong, I do. Collusion with a "man" - if you could call him that - who committed genocide against the Bosnian Muslims.

 

Evidence required that he colluded with rather than just met the man.

[Commander Harris]

Sorry, I must be too stupid to see the point you are making.

 

you used the term "old-firm". ?While he doesn't kow-tow to Rangers I think he gives Celtic a pretty easy ride.

[Pistol1874]

Evidence required that he colluded with rather than just met the man.

Any chance you could explain what about Reid's record is so admirable? You have conspicuously skipped those detailing why it isn't.

Family friend per chance?

[CF11JamTart]

you used the term "old-firm". ?While he doesn't kow-tow to Rangers I think he gives Celtic a pretty easy ride.

 

 

Fair enough. He has been more outspoken against Rangers than Celtic, but I got the impression he wasn't fond of either of them and their knuckle-dragging ways.

[IMA MAROON]

Fair enough. He has been more outspoken against Rangers than Celtic, but I got the impression he wasn't fond of either of them and their knuckle-dragging ways.

 

I remember him sticking up for some boot (a leader of a celtic supporters club) that said celtic fans singing ira songs was ok. She was interviewed on the radio and had a chance to withdraw her comments but refused.

[Boomstick]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

Shite.

[jambovambo]

Shite.

 

Harsh but fair.

[leginten]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

I hope you've got something to back up this outrageous slur, otherwise I think you and your shan posts should be booted from this messageboard permanently. You'll stick up for anything - no matter how vile - as long as it says Labour on the tin.

[world_3]

Evidence required that he colluded with rather than just met the man.

 

At a time when our country should have been - but to it's shame wasn't - doing everything possible to stop the ongoing genocide, he was the guest of the "man" (really that should be "thing") responsible for and directing that genocide. Genocide that was happening at the same time as he was on a nice jolly lapping up the free hospitality of the evil mass-murderer. He knew what was happening, everybody did, and by becoming friends with Karad?i? and accepting his favours he was colluding in that genocide.

[7628mm]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

 

Now my take on this is sarcasm but I am in the obvious minority and should be ashamed of myself. Hey Ho

[world_3]

Evidence required that he colluded with rather than just met the man.

 

Other guilty men from the time - Major, Hurd and Rifkind. Sickening.

[moogsy]

Early member of the Labour friends of Israel society? Sure that goes doon well with the Palestinian flag waving masses at Darkheid.

[gowestjambo]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

You are so very wrong, I have met him and he is a Buffoon of the highest order. Parliamentary career to be proud of? Dont make me laugh! He was known as an attack dog who got shifted from pillar to post achieving nothing of note.

 

This is an ex Communist turned Champagne Socialist, which is usually the worst type. He is also typical of the Labour socialist views that you are only a socialist until you can become a capitalist!

[jambos are go!]

Other guilty men from the time - Major, Hurd and Rifkind. Sickening.

Opinion not fact.

[jambos are go!]

You are so very wrong, I have met him and he is a Buffoon of the highest order. Parliamentary career to be proud of? Dont make me laugh! He was known as an attack dog who got shifted from pillar to post achieving nothing of note.

 

This is an ex Communist turned Champagne Socialist, which is usually the worst type. He is also typical of the Labour socialist views that you are only a socialist until you can become a capitalist!

Opinion not fact.

[jambos are go!]

At a time when our country should have been - but to it's shame wasn't - doing everything possible to stop the ongoing genocide, he was the guest of the "man" (really that should be "thing") responsible for and directing that genocide. Genocide that was happening at the same time as he was on a nice jolly lapping up the free hospitality of the evil mass-murderer. He knew what was happening, everybody did, and by becoming friends with Karad?i? and accepting his favours he was colluding in that genocide.

Opinion not fact

[jambos are go!]

Other guilty men from the time - Major, Hurd and Rifkind. Sickening.

Opinion not fact.

[jambos are go!]

I hope you've got something to back up this outrageous slur, otherwise I think you and your shan posts should be booted from this messageboard permanently. You'll stick up for anything - no matter how vile - as long as it says Labour on the tin.

I read the thread and gave an opinion and declared it as an opinion.

[leginten]

I read the thread and gave an opinion and declared it as an opinion.

 

Putting "imo" after your slur doesn't make it any less of a slur. It's obviously your opinion as opposed to anyone else's on the thread. And I see you have still produced nothing to back up your assertion that the Hearts fans who have posted anti-Reid comments on this thread are bigots. Tick-tock.

[jambos are go!]

Any chance you could explain what about Reid's record is so admirable? You have conspicuously skipped those detailing why it isn't.

Family friend per chance?

You have avoided the question. I wont. I have never met, talked to or corresponded with John Reid and have no family or friendship ties with him in any form other than I am a Labour supporter. I admire his abilities to take on difficult jobs and steady the ship. His willingness to effectively fight the Labour cause in all aspects of the media. His basic decent socialist instincts also impress me. Over to you.

[Danny Wilde]

Think weve moved away from footie and into politics.

 

Shed mods ?

[Bozi]

gotta love the fact that John Reid has come out and said the SFA position is untenable if they don't sack Dougie MacDonald for lying to Celtics manager,but he never hd a problem with Tony Blair lying to the whole country over WMD's

[gowestjambo]

Opinion not fact.

 

This is a board for the expression of opinions.

 

My opinion of you is now lower than mine of the odious John Reid.

[jambos are go!]

This is a board for the expression of opinions.

 

My opinion of you is now lower than mine of the odious John Reid.

My opinion of me is lower than my opinion of John Reid.

 

Agree this should be in the Shed. What were the motives for putting it in the Terrace me wonders.

[MacDonald Jardine]

John Reid has a parliamentary and political career to be proud of. The SNPs worst nightmare is that he agrees to lead Labour at Holyrood. He lost a few Uncles fighting against fascism in the British Army in the second World War. His criticism of Dougie Macdonald was based on fact not the innuendo George Foulkes used against Andy Davis. In other words the criticism of him on here is just bigotry pure and simple IMO.

 

I wasn't aware fascism was rife in the British Army during WW2.

 

Speirs is unpopular with Rangers fans because he goes out of his way to point out how bigoted the club is, while defending Celtic's right to be seen as a Catholic club.

[Boomstick]

My opinion of me is lower than my opinion of John Reid.

 

Just as long as you remember it's up the street and not across the road then. Bash on.

[Jam Tarts 1874]

gotta love the fact that John Reid has come out and said the SFA position is untenable if they don't sack Dougie MacDonald for lying to Celtics manager,but he never hd a problem with Tony Blair lying to the whole country over WMD's

 

 

There is no evidence that Tony Blair lied on the subject of WMD's - FACT!

 

The other party leaders were shown the same information as the Government at the time, they also supported action - FACT!

[Danny Wilde]

There is no evidence that Tony Blair lied on the subject of WMD's - FACT!

 

The other party leaders were shown the same information as the Government at the time, they also supported action - FACT!

 

SHED ffs, FACT !

[Boomstick]

SHED ffs, FACT !

 

It's against forum rules to question the moderators. They'll move it when they want, should we all stop posting on the thread until it's moved?