laranjinha Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/-Eggert-Jonsson39s-agent-in.3892342.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Mindaugas Nikolicius, he works for UBIG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laranjinha Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 Mindaugas Nikolicius, he works for UBIG. And his background in negotiating contracts for in-demand young footballers is ... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 And his background in negotiating contracts for in-demand young footballers is ... ??? did it at Kaunas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Well what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I sometime wonder if the some of the player ownership is a bit like the Tevez thing. Owned by an agency as opposed to the club. Probably complete garbage. However, there was the rumour about this for Velikca and I think it may have been an issue with the Beslija think. Anyway no idea who the guy is. Can we not just a Hearts representative deal with these things. He's basically the guy does the contract and works with a lawyer on it. He does represent Hearts in negotiations for purchasing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H J Simpson Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I thought he was a poorly sighted cartoon character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Maybe we should get someone else considering we allegedly can't afford certain players wages and goalscoring bonuses! So what is his day to day job? I'm kind of an old fashioned guy and would rather Hearts employees represented Hearts. Could well be doing the guy a disservice etc, however, considering some of our contract things in the past it does make me wonder, exactly what is going on. You're not. Interesting about the wage perks, some of the players get ?1200 per win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laranjinha Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 did it at Kaunas. Kaunas have "in-demand young footballers"? Who exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I sometime wonder if the some of the player ownership is a bit like the Tevez thing. Owned by an agency as opposed to the club. Probably complete garbage. However, there was the rumour about this for Velikca and I think it may have been an issue with the Beslija think. Anyway no idea who the guy is. Can we not just a Hearts representative deal with these things. All players' contracts will be owned to some extent, if not totally, by UBIG. VR bought 81% of the club shares and soon after sold them to UKIO/UBIG so I reckon all those who gratuitously slate VR are barking........, sorry, barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Kaunas have "in-demand young footballers"? Who exactly? Indimandauskas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 More to the point why the feck are Hearts not paying a young player money he is due from his current contract? Its no wonder I get sick of people on here who keep on defending the shambles. Why they get sick of people criticising the shambles I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 More to the point why the feck are Hearts not paying a young player money he is due from his current contract? Thats the important point from this story, and appears to confirm rumours that Eggert agent feels he is due some sort of "bonus/improvement" based on number of games played, and that there is some issue over exactly what that will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 On the subject, what is Eggert's agent playing at? Hearts want to offer him a 2 year extension but his agent says it's too long, but wants one that runs longer and gets him more money than his current deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpto Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Ming The Merciless' Brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Thats the important point from this story, and appears to confirm rumours that Eggert agent feels he is due some sort of "bonus/improvement" based on number of games played, and that there is some issue over exactly what that will be. I took from it that there is no question as to how much just that known sums are due and outstanding and Vlad aint paying. Vlads tactic will be - I'll give you close to the contract you want if you forego this part of your wages. He basically only let Rudi leave if he forewent bonus payments that were due. The guy is an evil **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 You're not. Interesting about the wage perks, some of the players get ?1200 per win. :rofl: Not this season , they didn't. Well , not that often anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeno Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I took from it that there is no question as to how much just that known sums are due and outstanding and Vlad aint paying. Vlads tactic will be - I'll give you close to the contract you want if you forego this part of your wages. He basically only let Rudi leave if he forewent bonus payments that were due. The guy is an evil **** Good. I recall Rudi saying if we made second spot, he'd stay. What up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Thats the important point from this story, and appears to confirm rumours that Eggert agent feels he is due some sort of "bonus/improvement" based on number of games played, and that there is some issue over exactly what that will be. We need this situation sorted out. High hopes for Eggert but his recent displays tells me that he contract thing is not helping. Not saying it's the reason his performances are slipping but it can't help. Get him signed up and pay him what he is due/worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Ming The Merciless' Brother No He was a melon farmer who took on the mob,played by Charles Bronson in the movie of the same name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/-Eggert-Jonsson39s-agent-in.3892342.jp Why is nothing ever straight forward with Hearts ? The situation appears to a simple one yet we seem to be making a mess of it. Pay the lad what he is due give him the deal that was agreed previously and let him get on with playing for Hearts. As for Mr Mindaugas............. I thought player contract negoitiations was the job for Alex Koslovksi ( remember him ? ) and Pedro Lopez ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 We need this situation sorted out. High hopes for Eggert but his recent displays tells me that he contract thing is not helping. Not saying it's the reason his performances are slipping but it can't help. Get him signed up and pay him what he is due/worth. Maybe thats what the hold up is.His performances have not been anything special.Hearts realise this.So his contract will not be for the 5 years(about time this doesn't happen) and the amount he thinks he is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 On the subject, what is Eggert's agent playing at? Hearts want to offer him a 2 year extension but his agent says it's too long, but wants one that runs longer and gets him more money than his current deal... Bit worried about this. Forth 1 were reporting it today and I'm sure they quoted Jonssons agent as saying it is make or break time. Romanov + agents = game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 give him the deal that was agreed previously Which was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Bit worried about this. Forth 1 were reporting it today and I'm sure they quoted Jonssons agent as saying it is make or break time. Romanov + agents = game over. Strange though, because StrikersInstinct said an Icelandic paper reported Eggert expected to sign a new deal imminently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 And his background in negotiating contracts for in-demand young footballers is ... ??? probably about the same as Vlads for picking football teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Why is nothing ever straight forward with Hearts ? The situation appears to a simple one yet we seem to be making a mess of it. Pay the lad what he is due give him the deal that was agreed previously and let him get on with playing for Hearts. As for Mr Mindaugas............. I thought player contract negoitiations was the job for Alex Koslovksi ( remember him ? ) and Pedro Lopez ??? Did you read the story? The situation seems to be that we're offering EJ a longer contract than he is wanting. Do you think that is a rare occurance in the world of football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Which was? I don't know. But we obvioulsy haven't kept to our side of the deal or Eggert would have had the payments he's outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Like all things HMFC, anyone can run to any newspaper with anything these days because the club will ignore the press or, at best, put out some meaningless statement. Column space filled, readership reaction, job done! I'll await developments rather than jump to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I don't know. But we obvioulsy haven't kept to our side of the deal or Eggert would have had the payments he's outstanding. Do you not think its slightly strange that the EEN didn't decide use the missed payments angle as the main lead on the story or indeed include any quotes on the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Did you read the story? The situation seems to be that we're offering EJ a longer contract than he is wanting. Do you think that is a rare occurance in the world of football? I was referring to the outstanding ??'s he's due. I'm delighted we want him to sign a longer deal but holding back on paying him money he's owed is hardly going to have him falling over himself to re-sign for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Did you read the story? The situation seems to be that we're offering EJ a longer contract than he is wanting. Do you think that is a rare occurance in the world of football? Than the agent is wanting - which is a big difference. Trying to get a shorter deal meaning he gets money on a renewal or move sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Do you not think its slightly strange that the EEN didn't decide use the missed payments angle as the main lead on the story or indeed include any quotes on the issue? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Than the agent is wanting - which is a big difference. Trying to get a shorter deal meaning he gets money on a renewal or move sooner. Yeah I just used EJ for coherency. I doubt contractual negotiations are a high point in any 19 year old guys day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I was referring to the outstanding ??'s he's due. I'm delighted we want him to sign a longer deal but holding back on paying him money he's owed is hardly going to have him falling over himself to re-sign for us. Funny. The reason his agent is stalling is because he wants a shorter contract. What have outstanding ???'s got to do this? Go back and read the story please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 No. Personally if I was a journalist and I got a story that a professional footballer at the town's biggest team hadn't been paid i'd consider that for more newsworthy than a will he/wont he update on the status of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yeah I just used EJ for coherency. I doubt contractual negotiations are a high point in any 19 year old guys day. Also, a four and a half year deal that ends in 2012 is surely a 4 year deal unless it expires in October or something. I think it would be a bit daring of the agent to ask for only one year added to the contract along with a substantial pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Why is nothing ever straight forward with Hearts ? The situation appears to a simple one yet we seem to be making a mess of it. Pay the lad what he is due give him the deal that was agreed previously and let him get on with playing for Hearts. As for Mr Mindaugas............. I thought player contract negoitiations was the job for Alex Koslovksi ( remember him ? ) and Pedro Lopez ??? Not sure about Koslovski role but is Pedro Lopez now supposed to be concentrating on progressing the stadium redevelopment? That is what the announcement on Campbell Ogilvie's new job title indicated. It would seem Mr Mindaugas is now handling the finer details of contract negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Not sure about Koslovski role but is Pedro Lopez now supposed to be concentrating on progressing the stadium redevelopment? That is what the announcement on Campbell Ogilvie's new job title indicated. It would seem Mr Mindaugas is now handling the finer details of contract negotiations? a sort of Lith Tom Hagen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Koslovski is slime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 More to the point who's this Makela character that got both the goals? Get him signed up now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Funny. The reason his agent is stalling is because he wants a shorter contract. What have outstanding ???'s got to do this? Go back and read the story please. I didn't suggest the reason he isn't signing a longer deal is down to outstanding ???'s. There is obviously a mutual agreement that when EJ plays a certain amount of matches an extension must be offered. Hearts want to offer 2 years his Agent wants 1 year. But it doesn't exactly help our cause when negoitiating to extend a deal when we can't pay the player on time. It may not be an issue but then again it was enough of an issue for the Agent to let it slip to the EEN that the lad is owed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Koslovski is slime. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Things have never been the same since Koslovski, Malofeev and Korobochka came to Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Why is nothing ever straight forward with Hearts ? The situation appears to a simple one yet we seem to be making a mess of it. Pay the lad what he is due give him the deal that was agreed previously and let him get on with playing for Hearts. As for Mr Mindaugas............. I thought player contract negoitiations was the job for Alex Koslovksi ( remember him ? ) and Pedro Lopez ??? Davie McPherson said that Koslovski and Lopez did the contracts when I spoke to him a few weeks ago. Things might have changed since then I suppose. Gary McKay mentioned on Hearts World on Saturday that Mindaugas had phoned him on Saturday morning for a "chat about a few things" but he didn't elaborate further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I didn't suggest the reason he isn't signing a longer deal is down to outstanding ???'s. There is obviously a mutual agreement that when EJ plays a certain amount of matches an extension must be offered. Hearts want to offer 2 years his Agent wants 1 year. But it doesn't exactly help our cause when negoitiating to extend a deal when we can't pay the player on time. It may not be an issue but then again it was enough of an issue for the Agent to let it slip to the EEN that the lad is owed money. but surely Hearts have kept their side of the deal, ie offered an improved contract, which naturally would include an extension. Eggys agent seems to want more money (Hearts have offered this) without a lengthening of contract(or minimum lengthening). if Hearts agreed to more cash without an extension this place would explode with "they couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery" type threads. Eggy seems to be wanting to sign, if the contract isnt extended then it would look very like the agent was trying to get him moved on in the short term. on the money owed to Eggy, surely he can only get improved wages once he signs the improved contract , no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 but surely Hearts have kept their side of the deal, ie offered an improved contract, which naturally would include an extension.Eggys agent seems to want more money (Hearts have offered this) without a lengthening of contract(or minimum lengthening). if Hearts agreed to more cash without an extension this place would explode with "they couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery" type threads. Eggy seems to be wanting to sign, if the contract isnt extended then it would look very like the agent was trying to get him moved on in the short term. on the money owed to Eggy, surely he can only get improved wages once he signs the improved contract , no. There is a suspect device is in somewhere between your ears. Go back and read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laranjinha Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 I've said it before and I'll say it again - Things have never been the same since Koslovski, Malofeev and Korobochka came to Hearts. RACIST!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I thought he was a poorly sighted cartoon character Now where is that pwesky wabbit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I dont know why Drylaw is getting a hard time here. The report clearly states there are 2 issues - the signing of a new contract, and monies due to Eggert under his current contract The issues arising from this are 1. it has been reported that there was a pre-agreed deal which should have kicked in automatically on Eggert playing a certain amount of games, and 2. employees should never be out of pocket for monies properly due under contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I dont know why Drylaw is getting a hard time here. The report clearly states there are 2 issues - the signing of a new contract, and monies due to Eggert under his current contract The issues arising from this are 1. it has been reported that there was a pre-agreed deal which should have kicked in automatically on Eggert playing a certain amount of games, and 2. employees should never be out of pocket for monies properly due under contract Thanks. That's exactly how I see the situation. If you don't pay people what they are due when it's due, no matter who they are, it is going to p them off eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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