Getintaethem Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Anyone got any info about this lad. I know he had a major opperation on his knee at the tail end of last year. 10 months on can anyone tell me if he is fully fit now? Seems to me that at 22 years of age he should be pushing for a first team place and with our problems at left back I'm wondering why he hasn't been given a chance. Is he still injured, or is he just not concidered good enough? With no reserve league we seem to have a few players around this age who really should be good enough for the first team or why are we paying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 If Jefferies is not going to select him we should move him on. When the only fit senior (ie, over 21) left back does not get selected as we would rather play two midfielders there, he is of no use to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 If Jefferies is not going to select him we should move him on. When the only fit senior (ie, over 21) left back does not get selected as we would rather play two midfielders there, he is of no use to the squad. The player is reluctant to move on as he seems quite happy to collect his wages on his extended contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Have those who have seen him play any opinion on whether he is good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted September 22, 2010 Author Share Posted September 22, 2010 Think he is contracted till 2012. When they scrapped the reserve league it put more pressure onto players in thier early twenties to break into the first team. We seem to have been left with a number of players in this catagory who are really just picking up a wage. If they're not going to play then we should at least loan them out to cover some of the expense. Is he in full training then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Think he is contracted till 2012. When they scrapped the reserve league it put more pressure onto players in thier early twenties to break into the first team. We seem to have been left with a number of players in this catagory who are really just picking up a wage. If they're not going to play then we should at least loan them out to cover some of the expense. Is he in full training then? He is fit, apart from his face, which the management team seem to think doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 The player is reluctant to move on as he seems quite happy to collect his wages on his extended contract. Was he one of the players given a 5 year deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 He was involved in a few of the u19/reserve games pre-season but didnt play alot. I'm not sure if he's match fit but hopefully he is training with the first team and gets his chance soon. From what i've seen he's similar to wallace and gets forward and is fairly solid. Footballfirst or JiG will know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 He has been training with the first team squad, but has had little match practice since his injury. I would like to see him given a chance but as I said earlier it appears that he is not rated by the current or previous management regimes, otherwise he would have featured before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 He has been training with the first team squad, but has had little match practice since his injury. I would like to see him given a chance but as I said earlier it appears that he is not rated by the current or previous management regimes, otherwise he would have featured before now. Is it an Aussie thing? McGowan has been on the fringe for a few seasons, so has Park, Visconte gone etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Have those who have seen him play any opinion on whether he is good enough? I am not really the poster you are aiming for as I have only seen him once. However, my opinion when I saw him was that he might have it. He looked promising and if he could reproduce that relatively regularly, he was worth a go in the first team. That was two years ago though. 'Tis irrelevant though. I'd suggest that Jefferies has shown in the last ten days or so that he doesn't rate him and he won't get his chance. Given that, punt him out on loan or come to an arrangement with the lad to end his contract. No point keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Was he one of the players given a 5 year deal? I think he was one of the players (along with J.Stewart, D.Thomson etc) who got a 3 year deal in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I think he was one of the players (along with J.Stewart, D.Thomson etc) who got a 3 year deal in 2009. No. He is a couple of years older than Jonny Stewart and he got his 5 year deal back in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 No. He is a couple of years older than Jonny Stewart and he got his 5 year deal back in 2007. Oh right. I'm certain you'll know better than me. I just thought I remembered reading that at the time for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 No. He is a couple of years older than Jonny Stewart and he got his 5 year deal back in 2007. Park signed a new deal in May 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Park signed a new deal in May 2009. I bow to your superior inside information http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20090519/hnt-darrens-delight_2241384_1661406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I bow to your superior inside information http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20090519/hnt-darrens-delight_2241384_1661406 Personally I'm pretty disappointed with the development of young players over the last few years...I get cheesed off with successive Hearts managers playing first teamers out of position rather than giving young players a chance. I reckon you have to just go "sink-or-swim" with young players and when regulars are injured I think most of us would be supportive of a young guy covering. Seeing Zaliukas in Midfield, Obua play striker or Palazuelos trying to be a LB is a ploy that can work as a one-off but it just never works long-term... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted September 22, 2010 Author Share Posted September 22, 2010 He has been training with the first team squad, but has had little match practice since his injury. I would like to see him given a chance but as I said earlier it appears that he is not rated by the current or previous management regimes, otherwise he would have featured before now. Thanks for the info FF, maybe the management team feel he needs a few games after his bad knee injury. Playing bounce games isn't really very helpful though, would prefer to see him go out on loan if we're not going to use him. Any idea when the decision was made to scrap the reserve league? Seems like we were caught out with this after giving players long term contracts. On a side note, your HYDC website makes my computer crash. Don't know if anybody else has this problem but thought I would make you aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 On a side note, your HYDC website makes my computer crash. Don't know if anybody else has this problem but thought I would make you aware of it. I haven't had any feedback about crashes, but if you can give me some info on what you are doing, what page you are accessing, or when it occurs, I'll have a look. Probably best to PM me. The website does use a bit of Flash and Java so it may be that sort of thing that is causing a problem. i.e. you may need to reinstall some of these components if the problem is specific to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Personally I'm pretty disappointed with the development of young players over the last few years...I get cheesed off with successive Hearts managers playing first teamers out of position rather than giving young players a chance. I reckon you have to just go "sink-or-swim" with young players and when regulars are injured I think most of us would be supportive of a young guy covering. Seeing Zaliukas in Midfield, Obua play striker or Palazuelos trying to be a LB is a ploy that can work as a one-off but it just never works long-term... The manager can use the "sink or swim" idea if results are irrelevant but he has to win games, put the best players on the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Lecter Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I bow to your superior inside information http://www.heartsfc....2241384_1661406 Just goes to show how things can change in a season. I see from the link that Ryan Wallace was given a new 3 year deal last summer but was given a free at the end of last season, with 2 years still remaining on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I don't think he is that good. Better off playing senior players out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I don't think he is that good. Better off playing senior players out of position. Must be another 5 year contract lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Just goes to show how things can change in a season. I see from the link that Ryan Wallace was given a new 3 year deal last summer but was given a free at the end of last season, with 2 years still remaining on his contract. Felt sorry for Ryan, he looked a good wee propest. The boy has being thru the wars recently but things seem to work it out for him. http://www.acadvertiser.co.uk/coatbridge-airdrie-sport/lanarkshire-football/airdrie-utd-fc/2010/09/29/airdrie-united-striker-ryan-wallace-eyes-starting-slot-65864-27359378/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkin- hearts Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 The manager can use the "sink or swim" idea if results are irrelevant but he has to win games, put the best players on the park. Very true, unfortunately we're in a results business:angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Watched him a few matches a couple of years ago down at Riccarton and he looked a real prospect at that time. Can't really understand why he's not been given a chance in the current position we are in at left back. We'll never know if he is good enough unless he gets the chance. Craig Levein took a similar chance with Paul McMullan and that worked out short term. I just wonder if there is a "money aspect" to this with Park's contract. Perhaps he is due money when he makes his competitive first team appearance - that would maybe answer the question as to why he's not been picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon Wilson Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Personally I'm pretty disappointed with the development of young players over the last few years...I get cheesed off with successive Hearts managers playing first teamers out of position rather than giving young players a chance. I reckon you have to just go "sink-or-swim" with young players and when regulars are injured I think most of us would be supportive of a young guy covering. Seeing Zaliukas in Midfield, Obua play striker or Palazuelos trying to be a LB is a ploy that can work as a one-off but it just never works long-term... This . It must be incredibly frustrating for the younger players when they see this happening. I have never seen Park play but if JJ would rather play Ruben at LB than give him a shot then it does not bode well for him (assuming he is fit). If Rudi isnt going to be played at LB or Ruben is injured, why not give him a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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