pivoman Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Ihave not posted for a while, but this article in todays scotsman makes my blood boil. These liers are now not going to return the clock until at least December 2010 ! What can we do to change this? K.G.B............still watching you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Hearts-fans-outrage-as-trams.5808802.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Time for more campaigning, particularly since it is Armistice Day tomorrow. Who let these clowns loose on Edinburgh? When I was back in February I couldn't believe how much of a disaster the place was. TIE GTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I wonder what the feeling would be to move the memorial to an elevated position on the corner of Dalry Road and Morrison Street, often felt the traffic thundering round all sides of the present site didn't give the right atmosphere to contemplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 TIE have lied and dissembled from the start of the tram line disaster. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/showthread.php?t=62927&highlight=liars#post1275613 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 December 2010 = Sometime in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Is anyone actually surprised by this news ? The whole project has been a shambles from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Will we ever see the clock replaced properly? The date is going back again and again. The relative success of the service at Tynecastle and the fact that will probably be there again in 2010 will no doubt mean that TIE will come back saying that the memorial doesn't need to be re-sited at Haymarket as the service works well at Tynie. I'll wager they will try a flanker at some point in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Am Shakin' with Rage!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Bomb the bassas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 One plus is that at least they are now talking about the memorial actually returning to Haymarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 it's not TIe that this started with. its the councillors with the brown envelopes in their pockets that accepted the bid from the clowns doing the work. hollyrood eyesore cost us 10x as much as the bid etc. want to end this shambles, visit your local councillor and shoot the fecker. bunch of theiving/useless wastes of space, makes kingson and our other wage theives look like saints. POLITICS is corrupt in this country lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 As much as this makes me angry. I would be happy just to see the clock back in one piece. That is where TIE will %uck up for sure, and I hope the outcry is loud and ferocious. This crowd couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus Prime Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 One plus is that at least they are now talking about the memorial actually returning to Haymarket. The memorial was always going to return to Haymarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The memorial was always going to return to Haymarket. Not if TIE had a say in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus Prime Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Not if TIE had a say in it. TIE/Council have never said anything other than it will be going back to Haymarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 TIE/Council have never said anything other than it will be going back to Haymarket. maybe not the council but TIe have suggested it on occassion. from what the council have been coming out with recently(road signs) maybe they have, but i'll have to learn gaelic before i'll be able to understand what the feck their on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Next years remembrance service should take place at Haymarket. Wherever the clock tower is. And the memorial should return to Haymarket with traffic thundering by and lots of pedestrians passing it. That is the point of a memorial - to be as prominent and unavoidable as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someday Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How can the clock be replaced if the tramworks are not complete around the Haymarket area? Some people need to get a grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus Prime Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How can the clock be replaced if the tramworks are not complete around the Haymarket area? Some people need to get a grip! It will be replaced when the work in the Haymarket section is complete. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It will be replaced when the work in the Haymarket section is complete. Simples. Shhhhh, The Drama Queens don't want to hear that!! "Put the Clock BACK....THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm confident TIE will put the clock back at Haymarket, but I don't expect it to be back in place next year. They're behind with the building work all over the city, why would Haymarket junction be any different? Incidently, have they decided on the exact location of the clock at Haymarket - I remember there was some debate about whether it was going back onto an island in the centre of the junction or on an extended pavement outside Ryries bar? I get the impression TIE are making this bit up as they go along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus Prime Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm confident TIE will put the clock back at Haymarket, but I don't expect it to be back in place next year. They're behind with the building work all over the city, why would Haymarket junction be any different? Incidently, have they decided on the exact location of the clock at Haymarket - I remember there was some debate about whether it was going back onto an island in the centre of the junction or on an extended pavement outside Ryries bar? I get the impression TIE are making this bit up as they go along... I think this is the plan at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I think this is the plan at the moment. That's my concern OP - alot of people "think" but I don't know anyone that can recall a definite decision/commitment. I'd have alot more confidence in and be a bit more willing to cut TIE some slack if this was at least clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It will be replaced when the work in the Haymarket section is complete. Simples. Given TIE's track record of blatant lying coupled with the fact that they don't know what day of the week it is one can forgive the levels of scepticism amongst the Hearts support. To be perfectly frank TIE have no idea of when the trams will be finished never mind at what final cost so their re-assurances as to the relocation of a significant Edinburgh landmark hold no weight whatsoever. Anyone that doubts this should e-mail TIE and ask for a completion date and final cost of the tram project. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 If anyone thought any part of this project would be completed in time, then they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Next years remembrance service should take place at Haymarket. Wherever the clock tower is. And the memorial should return to Haymarket with traffic thundering by and lots of pedestrians passing it. That is the point of a memorial - to be as prominent and unavoidable as possible. If you have ever been in a graveyard around the Somme you might think differently about the traffic all around the memorial, the drivers have to concentrate so much on their driving that there is not time to work out what it is, its could also be fair to say that for most pedestrians its not a pleasant place to stop and think. Dont think outside a pub, as someone mentioned, is a good idea though. Personaly if I had to re-site it I would find a place in Princes Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm confident TIE will put the clock back at Haymarket, but I don't expect it to be back in place next year. They're behind with the building work all over the city, why would Haymarket junction be any different? Incidently, have they decided on the exact location of the clock at Haymarket - I remember there was some debate about whether it was going back onto an island in the centre of the junction or on an extended pavement outside Ryries bar? I get the impression TIE are making this bit up as they go along... i ve heard that they are 2half to 3 years behind and the bills are piling up so dont expect to see the clock back for at least a couple of years at the earliest i ve also heard some of the stones that make up the clock have been damaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill duff Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 If TIE bid on the job for a certain price, that should be honoured and a penalty placed on them if it's not finished in the timely manner that was negotiated. Clock should be replaced from where it was taken. End of. If they can stop the traffic in London for a service, then we sure as hell can do that in Edinburgh. Agree with GK. The beautiful city is nothing but a complete shambles and is an awful put-off for anyone visiting, nevermind the folks that have to deal with it day in and day out. Think of the revenue that is lost to business, specially in this economic downturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 If you have ever been in a graveyard around the Somme you might think differently about the traffic all around the memorial, the drivers have to concentrate so much on their driving that there is not time to work out what it is, its could also be fair to say that for most pedestrians its not a pleasant place to stop and think. Dont think outside a pub, as someone mentioned, is a good idea though. Personaly if I had to re-site it I would find a place in Princes Street. I have been to war graves, but with respect that's not the same thing. The point about a war memorial is that it causes peeople to remember. That being its purpose it has to be where a lot of people see it and pass by it - hence the Cenotaph in London is in the middle of a busy road, hence the prominent position of war memorials in the centre of almost every town and village (in France even more so than here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Who let these clowns loose on Edinburgh? When I was back in February I couldn't believe how much of a disaster the place was. If you thought it was bad in February, you should see the state of the place now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have been to war graves, but with respect that's not the same thing. The point about a war memorial is that it causes peeople to remember. That being its purpose it has to be where a lot of people see it and pass by it - hence the Cenotaph in London is in the middle of a busy road, hence the prominent position of war memorials in the centre of almost every town and village (in France even more so than here). Here, here. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus Prime Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 i ve heard that they are 2half to 3 years behind and the bills are piling up so dont expect to see the clock back for at least a couple of years at the earliest i ve also heard some of the stones that make up the clock have been damaged Source?....oh and the Scotsman/Evening News doesn't count. The stones are being handled by a specialist firm with experience in dismantling and reassembling monuments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Time for more campaigning, particularly since it is Armistice Day tomorrow. Who let these clowns loose on Edinburgh? When I was back in February I couldn't believe how much of a disaster the place was. TIE GTF! Geoff as someone else touched on, you really should see it now. Damm mess. Between TIE and Scottish Gas its a real shambles. If you take it all the way from Meadowbank end of London Rd its dug up for SG work, then you have Leith Walk/London Rd is a different shambles each week, Then York Place ditto, Then George St a mess because of the 30 or 40 buses that can be on it at any one time, then of course the roadworks again as you approach Haymarket. That alone must be 4 or 5 miles of chaos with all the surrounding chaos as people try to avoid it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 As angry as I am, it was a very special occasion on sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Source?....oh and the Scotsman/Evening News doesn't count. The stones are being handled by a specialist firm with experience in dismantling and reassembling monuments. Optimus which part of what Troy says is wrong? TIE are at least two years behind already and will be yet further behind over the course of the winter. We don't even want to go onto the costs. As i say, e-mail TIE and ask them when it will be finished and at what cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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