Eckauskas Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm Sir Alex Ferguson has used Manchester United's FA Cup semi-final clash with Everton to renew his war of words with Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez. Ferguson and Benitez have been verbally sparring since January when Benitez hit out at how his rival treats referees. Ahead of Sunday's Wembley tie, Ferguson gave a withering assessment of the way that Benitez once described Everton. "Everton are a big club, not a small one which Benitez arrogantly said," said the Old Trafford boss. Ferguson also spoke out about the way Benitez appeared to dismiss Blackburn once Liverpool scored their second goal in their 4-0 win on Saturday. "Arrogance is one thing. You cannot forgive contempt, which is what he showed Sam Allardyce last weekend," Ferguson added. "When Liverpool scored their second goal he signalled as if the game was finished. I do not think Sam deserved that. "Sam has worked so hard for the LMA (League Managers' Association) and he's had a weakened team. I just thought it showed contempt. "In my experience no Liverpool manager has ever done that. It was beyond the pale." Allardyce, preparing his team for a visit to Stoke this weekend, expressed his displeasure with Benitez, describing his actions as "unfortunate gestures after Liverpool's second goal". The Blackburn boss saw the incident as "pretty dismissive to me and Blackburn - disrespectful and quite humiliating". Allardyce added: "The game is hard enough without a fellow manager making an undermining gesture." Following Liverpool's victory over Rovers, the Reds temporarily sat at the summit of the Premier League ahead of United, with Benitez claiming Ferguson was "nervous". However, the Red Devils bounced back to defeat Sunderland 2-1 thanks to a late Federico Macheda winner, helping them to return to top spot with seven games remaining - one more than Liverpool. After being dumped out of the Champions League by Chelsea in midweek, Liverpool's next league game is against Arsenal on Tuesday, while United play Portsmouth the following day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Its the usual SAF tactics for the title run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Its the usual SAF tactics for the title run in. Well Big Sam and SAF are friends, you can see why Ferguson would stand up for him here. Benitez has acted like a ****** this season, it has to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 What gestures were made after Liverpool scored the second goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artfuldodger Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well Big Sam and SAF are friends, you can see why Ferguson would stand up for him here. Benitez has acted like a ****** this season, it has to be said. it shows rafa is doing something right when fergie is talking about him at this time of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 What gestures were made after Liverpool scored the second goal? He apparently made a gesture to signal that the game was dead at 2-0. The 2nd goal having come in the 33rd minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Hearts_Runner Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHLC-EimdAc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 it shows rafa is doing something right when fergie is talking about him at this time of the season No it doesn't. Fergie was specifically asked a question about Rafa at a press conference for his semi final vs Everton and he responded in the appropriate manner with an honest and well judged view of the events. It's not like he called a press conference and sat down with pre-prepared notes on Fergie and started to spew forth ill-informed rubbish especially to target Fergie, did he? Cos that would be really embarrassing. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 What gestures were made after Liverpool scored the second goal? According to the easily-offended, timid SAF, Rafa made a "game over" gesture. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8004530.stm Utterly horrific, imo. How old are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It certainly takes one to know one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans von Luck Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Sounds like old whiskey nose has got the dt's and Raffa is getting to him IMO. SAF has done this for years and years and got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well Big Sam and SAF are friends, you can see why Ferguson would stand up for him here. Benitez has acted like a ****** this season, it has to be said. You can relate to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Ferguson is up on the high horse trying to get Rafa to blow. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 He apparently made a gesture to signal that the game was dead at 2-0. The 2nd goal having come in the 33rd minute. When Manchester United scored at Selhurst Park after Cantona's infamous kung fu kick, Alex Ferguson made a "GIRUY!" gesture at the home supporters. You want arrogant? That's arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Who cares? Mind games between 2 managers in a foreign league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Who cares? Mind games between 2 managers in a foreign league! Exactly but some folk get their knickers in a twist about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 When Manchester United scored at Selhurst Park after Cantona's infamous kung fu kick, Alex Ferguson made a "GIRUY!" gesture at the home supporters. You want arrogant? That's arrogant. It was a poisonous atmosphere that day. The referee was quite happy to let the Palace players kick lumps out of United and the crowd were loving every minute of it. I wouldn't call that arrogance. Ask any of the circa 200 managers in the LMA what they think of Fergie, and you'll struggle to find more than two names who don't like him. Win, lose or draw he always leaves his door open for a chat with the opposition manager and maybe a glass of wine. Could you say the same about Rafa or Wenger? How complimentary is Fergie toward Wenger? Does he reciprocate when praise is justified? Does he ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artfuldodger Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No it doesn't. Fergie was specifically asked a question about Rafa at a press conference for his semi final vs Everton and he responded in the appropriate manner with an honest and well judged view of the events. It's not like he called a press conference and sat down with pre-prepared notes on Fergie and started to spew forth ill-informed rubbish especially to target Fergie, did he? Cos that would be really embarrassing. Fact. it certainly got you going fewgie could easily have said i am playing evewton this week in the fa cup what does livewpool in the pwemiership have to do with this pwess confwence fact .if wafa was not doing something right his name would not even get a mention at the pwess confwence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kun_aguero Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 rafa benitez is a fat **** who has won two trophys in five years, brilliant. not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 rafa benitez is a fat **** who has won two trophys in five years, brilliant. not Let us know when you achieve more with your life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 it certainly got you going fewgie could easily have said i am playing evewton this week in the fa cup what does livewpool in the pwemiership have to do with this pwess confwence fact .if wafa was not doing something right his name would not even get a mention at the pwess confwence It didn't get me going. What got me going was the scousers who think the fat Spanish waiter "got to him". It's Fergie's job since he's high up at LMA to give opinions like that. How dare he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Through all the spats betwee the two of them, IMO Brian Laws has handled the situation with great dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It was a poisonous atmosphere that day. The referee was quite happy to let the Palace players kick lumps out of United and the crowd were loving every minute of it. I wouldn't call that arrogance. Ask any of the circa 200 managers in the LMA what they think of Fergie, and you'll struggle to find more than two names who don't like him. Win, lose or draw he always leaves his door open for a chat with the opposition manager and maybe a glass of wine. Could you say the same about Rafa or Wenger? How complimentary is Fergie toward Wenger? Does he reciprocate when praise is justified? Does he ****. Had Fergie even bothered to find out what had happened with Cantona? Or was it all part of the great anti-Manchester United conspiracy? You know: the one which saw not a single penalty given against United at Old Trafford for over a decade, and which led to them drawing Real Madrid in the 2003 CL quarter-finals. Fergie treats many of his fellow managers very well; he just doesn't get on with Wenger, and never has. His borderline racist comment about AW "coming here from Japan" and thinking he knew what was best in the EPL late in 96/7 probably has something to do with that. Meanwhile, his absurd treatment of the BBC (whose documentary on his agent son Jason and the pressure Fergie had put on players to sign up with him was entirely accurate) and constant bullying of any journalist who dares ask him a serious question is arrogance personified. That's fine, it's his right; but the hypocrisy of the man (socialist with a small "c" is how I'd describe him) takes my breath away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby8 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Good entertaining stuff. I've no problem with either manager. Both have their faults as well as excellent leadership qualities. Personally, I'm quite happy to see them out here, sparring in the open. Tell me who doesn't like a good wind up now and again,........because that is really all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 You can relate to that. Trolling is against the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbankboy Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 He apparently made a gesture to signal that the game was dead at 2-0. The 2nd goal having come in the 33rd minute. Was Rafa wrong in his assessment like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Had Fergie even bothered to find out what had happened with Cantona? Or was it all part of the great anti-Manchester United conspiracy? You know: the one which saw not a single penalty given against United at Old Trafford for over a decade, and which led to them drawing Real Madrid in the 2003 CL quarter-finals. Fergie treats many of his fellow managers very well; he just doesn't get on with Wenger, and never has. His borderline racist comment about AW "coming here from Japan" and thinking he knew what was best in the EPL late in 96/7 probably has something to do with that. Meanwhile, his absurd treatment of the BBC (whose documentary on his agent son Jason and the pressure Fergie had put on players to sign up with him was entirely accurate) and constant bullying of any journalist who dares ask him a serious question is arrogance personified. That's fine, it's his right; but the hypocrisy of the man (socialist with a small "c" is how I'd describe him) takes my breath away. Of course he bothered to find out. He lost his rag at him like he has at no other player under his management. That part seems (un)surprisingly under-reported, however. He doesn't get on because Wenger fuels the fued. Fergie has said many times he'd like to sit down with Wenger and have a chat about their footballing philosophies (which are similar) because Fergie respects that about Wenger. When United surrendered a huge gap at the top to Arsenal, he had nothing but praise for them. That comment was hardly racist - if anything, he was challenging AW's arrogance; coming to England from a league half way across the world and criticising methods (rightly or wrongly) that have been in place for decades. Regarding the BBC, Jason was portrayed to be exploiting Alex's influence to get further his career (along with any number of mal-practices) which was all inaccurate because he wasn't judged to be guilty in a proper investigation of it all. Can you blame Fergie for being angry at a corporation who visciously (and wrongly) attacked his son's integrity then refused to apologise? And it's not just Fergie who's at loggerheads with the Beeb: Allardyce, Redknapp and even Alastair Campbell! I don't know anything regarding him bullying journalists, judging by what Fergie is usually like I can say with confidence that it's either made up rubbish or it was a small-time reporter trying to get a reaction from him by asking inciteful questions. We're all moral hypocrites at the end of the day, Shaun. Especially us football fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Exactly but some folk get their knickers in a twist about it. Your no joking mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Of course he bothered to find out. He lost his rag at him like he has at no other player under his management. That part seems (un)surprisingly under-reported, however. He doesn't get on because Wenger fuels the fued. Fergie has said many times he'd like to sit down with Wenger and have a chat about their footballing philosophies (which are similar) because Fergie respects that about Wenger. When United surrendered a huge gap at the top to Arsenal, he had nothing but praise for them. That comment was hardly racist - if anything, he was challenging AW's arrogance; coming to England from a league half way across the world and criticising methods (rightly or wrongly) that have been in place for decades. Regarding the BBC, Jason was portrayed to be exploiting Alex's influence to get further his career (along with any number of mal-practices) which was all inaccurate because he wasn't judged to be guilty in a proper investigation of it all. Can you blame Fergie for being angry at a corporation who visciously (and wrongly) attacked his son's integrity then refused to apologise? And it's not just Fergie who's at loggerheads with the Beeb: Allardyce, Redknapp and even Alastair Campbell! I don't know anything regarding him bullying journalists, judging by what Fergie is usually like I can say with confidence that it's either made up rubbish or it was a small-time reporter trying to get a reaction from him by asking inciteful questions. We're all moral hypocrites at the end of the day, Shaun. Especially us football fans! Baloney. He was being insular - as so many British managers invariably are. Someone comes over here with new ideas and new ways of doing things? Shocking! If Fergie was angry with the documentary, why didn't he sue? Ditto Allardyce or Redknapp for that matter. It couldn't be, could it, that it was actually accurate in its portrayal of what had gone on, especially in terms of young players being pressured to sign with Jason? In terms of him bullying journalists: I'm astonished you don't know anything about it. It's common knowledge! He'd invariably be impossible with BBC reporters even before boycotting them (and by way of reminder, the BBC's highlights deal helps provide some of his club's money); and the sycophantic platitudes ITV or SKY reporters ask him for fear of his reaction to anything more serious are just pathetic. His response when a journo suggested Juan Veron had constituted a waste of money? "Youse are all ****ing idiots". Below, a transcript of the one time a reporter - Geoff Shreeves of SKY - found the bollocks to stand his ground with the man: Shreeves: 'I asked him?' Ferguson: '****ing (inaudible) *******.' S: 'Don?t talk to me like that.' F: '****** off to you.' S: 'Don?t talk to me like that. Don?t even think about it.' F: 'Don?t you think about it, you ****. ****** off. Right?' S: 'Listen, are you going to do the interview in a professional manner or not? Do you want to do it or not?' F: 'You f*****g be professional. You be professional. You?re the one.' S: 'I?m entitled to ask? Cristiano gave the right answer.' F: '****ing hell with your answers.' S: 'Don?t talk to me like that. Go away. If you want to behave civilly, fine. Don?t talk to me like that.' F: '****** off.' (door slams) For the record, a lot of the mind games top managers play are funny and entertaining. But when Wenger made that famous comment about "everybody think(ing) they have the prettiest wife at home", I can honestly picture Purple Cheeks thinking AW was suggesting his wife was ugly! And it's not just me who's detected the stench of hypocrisy emanating from Old Trafford either... http://www.setanta.com/uk/Blogs/Ben-Blackmore/2009/04/Is-that-hypocrisy-we-smell-Sir-Alex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo mark Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i think you'll find that ferguson is far under benitez and wengers skin than either of them could dream of being to ferguson the only manager who got under fergusons skin was mourinho - FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i think you'll find that ferguson is far under benitez and wengers skin than either of them could dream of being to ferguson the only manager who got under fergusons skin was mourinho - FACT! Except Mourinho did this by rather brilliantly playing up to Fergie's arrogance and sense of himself. It worked perfectly: Arsenal were the target when Mourinho took over at Chelsea, he and Fergie ganged up on Wenger together, and AF and AW remained obsessed with one another, apparently not noticing Chelsea disappearing over the horizon. Meanwhile, the only manager who got under Mourinho's skin was Benitez - by playing the tortoise to Jose's hare - and they all got to Wenger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 fergies the master of the mind games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Had Fergie even bothered to find out what had happened with Cantona? Or was it all part of the great anti-Manchester United conspiracy? You know: the one which saw not a single penalty given against United at Old Trafford for over a decade, and which led to them drawing Real Madrid in the 2003 CL quarter-finals. Fergie treats many of his fellow managers very well; he just doesn't get on with Wenger, and never has. His borderline racist comment about AW "coming here from Japan" and thinking he knew what was best in the EPL late in 96/7 probably has something to do with that. Meanwhile, his absurd treatment of the BBC (whose documentary on his agent son Jason and the pressure Fergie had put on players to sign up with him was entirely accurate) and constant bullying of any journalist who dares ask him a serious question is arrogance personified. That's fine, it's his right; but the hypocrisy of the man (socialist with a small "c" is how I'd describe him) takes my breath away. Blah blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Except Mourinho did this by rather brilliantly playing up to Fergie's arrogance and sense of himself. It worked perfectly: Arsenal were the target when Mourinho took over at Chelsea, he and Fergie ganged up on Wenger together, and AF and AW remained obsessed with one another, apparently not noticing Chelsea disappearing over the horizon. Meanwhile, the only manager who got under Mourinho's skin was Benitez - by playing the tortoise to Jose's hare - and they all got to Wenger! And where are they now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the North Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i think you'll find that ferguson is far under benitez and wengers skin than either of them could dream of being to ferguson the only manager who got under fergusons skin was mourinho - FACT! I would tend to agree with that, although I am surprised at Fergie's outburst today. Until now he has said virtually nothing about Rafa, leaving Benitez looking like a bit of a ******. This merely suggests that Benitez is getting to him a bit, which would be a first. Mourinho never got to Fergie as much as people make out, they were actually pretty matey. As for Wenger, he and Ferguson have got to the stage where there is quite a bit of respect there. A strange one from Fergie today, he is usually the master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Baloney. He was being insular - as so many British managers invariably are. Someone comes over here with new ideas and new ways of doing things? Shocking! If Fergie was angry with the documentary, why didn't he sue? Ditto Allardyce or Redknapp for that matter. It couldn't be, could it, that it was actually accurate in its portrayal of what had gone on, especially in terms of young players being pressured to sign with Jason? In terms of him bullying journalists: I'm astonished you don't know anything about it. It's common knowledge! He'd invariably be impossible with BBC reporters even before boycotting them (and by way of reminder, the BBC's highlights deal helps provide some of his club's money); and the sycophantic platitudes ITV or SKY reporters ask him for fear of his reaction to anything more serious are just pathetic. His response when a journo suggested Juan Veron had constituted a waste of money? "Youse are all ****ing idiots". Below, a transcript of the one time a reporter - Geoff Shreeves of SKY - found the bollocks to stand his ground with the man: Shreeves: 'I asked him?' Ferguson: '****ing (inaudible) *******.' S: 'Don?t talk to me like that.' ............... F: '****** off.' (door slams) For the record, a lot of the mind games top managers play are funny and entertaining. But when Wenger made that famous comment about "everybody think(ing) they have the prettiest wife at home", I can honestly picture Purple Cheeks thinking AW was suggesting his wife was ugly! And it's not just me who's detected the stench of hypocrisy emanating from Old Trafford either... http://www.setanta.com/uk/Blogs/Ben-Blackmore/2009/04/Is-that-hypocrisy-we-smell-Sir-Alex/ When AW came to Arsenal, Fergie had won a fair few trophies. To have someone untested in England come in from afar and basically tell him that his methods are dated and that AW can do them better is quite frankly an insult to everything he had achieved at that point. And no, it couldn't. Here's a quotation from the man: "But it is such a huge organisation that they will never apologise. They don't even care if you sue them or whatever, because they are so huge and have insurance. They carry on regardless and it's breathtaking." What sort of effect would litigation have to the BBC from Fergie to Big Sam or any others? I can understand him being short with BBC reporters: Barwick was Scouse through and through and it's not exactly clandestine that Barwick and Fergie's relationship was precarious at best. Shaun, that harsh riposte was entirely justified. It's a stupid question! RE Shreeves, I guess you'll leave it up to me to explain what actually happened. Shreeves questioned Ronaldo on whether there was any contact (there blatantly was, anyone, even the most bias, can see it) with Ronaldo and a Boro defender that lead to a penalty being awarded and eventually scored to see United progress to the next stage of the FA Cup. Once you've seen the footage, you can understand Fergie's anger. GS clearly had an agenda. Shaun, from saying that someone might think you have absolutely no respect for the man's intelligence. I'm quite sure he would have laughed at the comment and accepted that AW got the better of him that time, as did most people. That Setanta link is again, ridiculous. Why ask a question that's been asked for over two years by countless journalists? His flippant reply was justified. Look at the way the article is written as well: BB's clearly got an agenda against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I take it the BBC wasn't there cause demento the red nosed gum chewer doesn't speak to them. Must be losing the plot. Quite funny to see the man who thought himself the master of mind games unravelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No it doesn't. Fergie was specifically asked a question about Rafa at a press conference for his semi final vs Everton and he responded in the appropriate manner with an honest and well judged view of the events. It's not like he called a press conference and sat down with pre-prepared notes on Fergie and started to spew forth ill-informed rubbish especially to target Fergie, did he? Cos that would be really embarrassing. Fact. Fergie;s cracking up, he's cracking up!! Arf arf arf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 And where are they now?? Back behind United now that Jose's gone. Jamie, you misunderstand me: if you look at the history of Ferguson v Mourinho, it's pretty obvious that Jose ruled supreme between 2004 and maybe midway through 2006/7; since when, Ferguson's completely turned the tables. You won't find any argument from me in terms of how great a manager Fergie obviously is: I say as much regularly. But when Jose first arrived, Fergie didn't seem to have a clue how to react: especially when Mourinho just showered him with compliments, so neutralising his ire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'M IBRAHIM TALL Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Not a fan at all of SAF but I'm even less enamoured with Benitez and his club. His and their overinflated idea of there own self importance is disgusting. I'm not a petty person either but his claim that he never understands SAF because of his "Scotch accent" is not only rich coming from someone who gets by on pigeon English, but also borderline racist. I would love Man U (or preferably Arsenal, but hey ho) to pip Liverpool to the title in the last second of the last game (a la 1989). That would rip the arse out their humourless fans, manager and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Don't kid yourself,Benitez will be biting his knuckes,trying not to respond. He'll bite though! Arsenal next for Liverpool,Man U home to Pompey.I'd say his timing is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Fergie;s cracking up, he's cracking up!! Arf arf arf. Sir Fergie is directly asked about an incident regarding two managers (with which he has every right to comment on given the LMA role) and he gives a few home truths to which he'll want FSP to react to. Where as the fat Spanish waiter calls a press conference with the purpose of only attacking Fergie with a list of pre-prepared and ill-delivered 'facts' and Fergie's cracking up. What a small-time post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Sir Fergie is directly asked about an incident regarding two managers (with which he has every right to comment on given the LMA role) and he gives a few home truths to which he'll want FSP to react to. Where as the fat Spanish waiter calls a press conference with the purpose of only attacking Fergie with a list of pre-prepared and ill-delivered 'facts' and Fergie's cracking up. What a small-time post. Ooh hark at her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 When AW came to Arsenal, Fergie had won a fair few trophies. To have someone untested in England come in from afar and basically tell him that his methods are dated and that AW can do them better is quite frankly an insult to everything he had achieved at that point. And no, it couldn't. Here's a quotation from the man: "But it is such a huge organisation that they will never apologise. They don't even care if you sue them or whatever, because they are so huge and have insurance. They carry on regardless and it's breathtaking." What sort of effect would litigation have to the BBC from Fergie to Big Sam or any others? I can understand him being short with BBC reporters: Barwick was Scouse through and through and it's not exactly clandestine that Barwick and Fergie's relationship was precarious at best. Shaun, that harsh riposte was entirely justified. It's a stupid question! RE Shreeves, I guess you'll leave it up to me to explain what actually happened. Shreeves questioned Ronaldo on whether there was any contact (there blatantly was, anyone, even the most bias, can see it) with Ronaldo and a Boro defender that lead to a penalty being awarded and eventually scored to see United progress to the next stage of the FA Cup. Once you've seen the footage, you can understand Fergie's anger. GS clearly had an agenda. Shaun, from saying that someone might think you have absolutely no respect for the man's intelligence. I'm quite sure he would have laughed at the comment and accepted that AW got the better of him that time, as did most people. That Setanta link is again, ridiculous. Why ask a question that's been asked for over two years by countless journalists? His flippant reply was justified. Look at the way the article is written as well: BB's clearly got an agenda against them. Agendas schmagendas - so now does anyone who asks him a tough question and doesn't fall to their feet to pay divine homage have an agenda? If the BBC were successfully sued, it'd destroy the credibility of what they'd reported, and would quite clearly have to apologise. When, meanwhile, has Ferguson ever apologised for anything he's said or done? Nor was Wenger questioning Fergie's methods: all he was doing was pointing out that Fergie's whining about fixture backlogs and wanting the season to be extended was out of order given everyone knew the rules before the campaign had started. When Walter Smith did the same thing last season, he was rightly given short shrift. Why's it OK if Fergie does the same? Veron was a waste of money. Great player at his best - but he never produced it for United consistently, and had the side-effect of ruining Paul Scholes for quite some time as Fergie messed around with the formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roop Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Agendas schmagendas - so now does anyone who asks him a tough question and doesn't fall to their feet to pay divine homage have an agenda? If the BBC were successfully sued, it'd destroy the credibility of what they'd reported, and would quite clearly have to apologise. When, meanwhile, has Ferguson ever apologised for anything he's said or done? Nor was Wenger questioning Fergie's methods: all he was doing was pointing out that Fergie's whining about fixture backlogs and wanting the season to be extended was out of order given everyone knew the rules before the campaign had started. When Walter Smith did the same thing last season, he was rightly given short shrift. Why's it OK if Fergie does the same? Veron was a waste of money. Great player at his best - but he never produced it for United consistently, and had the side-effect of ruining Paul Scholes for quite some time as Fergie messed around with the formation. I think we're going to have to agree to disgree (I hate saying that) yet again or we could end up with a mammoth debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I think we're going to have to agree to disgree (I hate saying that) yet again or we could end up with a mammoth debate. the old fox has dangled the lure in the water hoping for another nibble.................... i predict senor benitez wont be able to resist....................... there will only be one winner if benitez keeps biting,its a formality really......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Back behind United now that Jose's gone. Jamie, you misunderstand me: if you look at the history of Ferguson v Mourinho, it's pretty obvious that Jose ruled supreme between 2004 and maybe midway through 2006/7; since when, Ferguson's completely turned the tables. You won't find any argument from me in terms of how great a manager Fergie obviously is: I say as much regularly. But when Jose first arrived, Fergie didn't seem to have a clue how to react: especially when Mourinho just showered him with compliments, so neutralising his ire. didn't matter if he knew how to react or not. Mourinho had alot of money to spend and he used it wisely. Ferguson on the other hand was making signings like Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFCjamieHMFC Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 rafa benitez is a fat **** who has won two trophys in five years, brilliant. not Hes actual won four trophys the uefa cup, la liga, champions league and the fa cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Rafa and Sam have been at loggerheads for years, quite what it's got to do with old bacon face is a mystery, but it just wouldn't be Victor Meldrew if he wasn't bumping his gums about something. On another note, I see the FA have played it safe with their referee appointment for their semi agains Everton with the faithful Man Utd loving Mike Riley in charge, I actually fancied Everton until that appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Rafa and Sam have been at loggerheads for years, quite what it's got to do with old bacon face is a mystery, but it just wouldn't be Victor Meldrew if he wasn't bumping his gums about something. On another note, I see the FA have played it safe with their referee appointment for their semi agains Everton with the faithful Man Utd loving Mike Riley in charge, I actually fancied Everton until that appointment. So John. Still gutted that Benitez has been given a new long term contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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