the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Exactly 6 months since Killie beat Hearts 2-1 at Tynecastle; had a fine evening that night. Thoughts this time round folks? I reckon we might sneak away with a 1-1 draw, would be happy with that given the form of both side. BBC has the following squads.... Hearts (from): Balogh, Neilson, Karipidis, Zaliukas, Wallace, Obua, Stewart, Palazuelos, Aguiar, Driver, Nade, Kello, Tullberg, Jonsson, Templeton, McGowan, Mrowiec, Cesnauskis Kilmarnock (from): Combe, Clancy, Lilley, Ford, Hay, Hamill, Invincibile, Pascali, Taouil, Skelton, Fernandez, Sammon, Kyle, Rascle, O'Leary, Flannigan, Nolan, Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 :smell_hobo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 :smell_hobo: Nope Mr Doomed is definitely a Killie fan however please don't let him start the official match thread as we let him do this the last time (and possibly the time before) when Killie played at Tynie and with 2 defeats in those games he's a clearly bogey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Speedbump: the doomed is a Killie fan. He's posted here on and off for years. I'm confident myself: actually fancy a 3-0, mainly because Killie seem in a death spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Bugger! His username screamed hibs fan at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Haha - 6 months ago you guys said I was the first opposition fan to start a match thread I can assure you speedbump I am a Killie fan - look out for the flag tomorrow. However, if the worst comes to the worst and we got bust in the next 12 months I think I may become one of very few people with season tickets at both Tynecastle and Easter Rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Haha - 6 months ago you guys said I was the first opposition fan to start a match thread I can assure you speedbump I am a Killie fan - look out for the flag tomorrow. However, if the worst comes to the worst and we got bust in the next 12 months I think I may become one of very few people with season tickets at bothh Tynecastle and Easter Rd Doomy - you must be worried by what's going on. I really hope you stay up for many reasons, but if I'm honest, think it'll be Killie who drop as things stand. Which'd leave you in desperate trouble, as I'm sure you don't need me reminding you! You confident? What's your take on things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Maybe Killie should branch out into the meat/pastry snacks business and sell them in supermarkets throughout the land.....maybe knock a few quid of the debt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Killie haven't scored more than a goal a game in the league this year, Hearts have only lost 3 of 17 home matches this season, the last twice we have played them at Tynecastle, it was bottom 6 football with nothing to play for and the game this season was when Killie were playing well and near the top of the league and winning games, now they are not, they are near the bottom and I feel Hearts will win this game. COME ON THE HEAAARTS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Doomy - you must be worried by what's going on. I really hope you stay up for many reasons, but if I'm honest, think it'll be Killie who drop as things stand. Which'd leave you in desperate trouble, as I'm sure you don't need me reminding you! You confident? What's your take on things? Worried? Absoloutely. Confident? No. Strangely, in recent games our overall performances have improved but we are not threatening in front of goal. Off the field, we budget for 7th place finish and no cup runs, the current seasons budget was forecast to realise a 'significant loss' belived to be about 700-800k. Since then the base rate has fallen (bulk of our bank borrowing is marked to the base rate as oppose to LIBOR) and we had a bit of a cup run by getting a replay against Ayr! So around 300k in. That said, 11th place is worth over 340k less in revenue from SPL, so the savings are out done and we still lose 700k - obviosuly that is not sustainable. I feel we have a good enough squad to stay up and I'm very aware, thaknfully, the squad know they are in a relegation battle. If we survive, I dont see next year being too much different. If we go down, we may never be back. Unlike other SPL clubs with significant debt - we dont have a Chairman with large reserves to bail some of the debt out. In fact, we only have a two man board and one of those openly does nothing. Worse still, we dont have a full time person running the club on a day-to-day basis. Its run by a lawyer (our Chairman, owns 90%ish, bought for ?1) typically from 4pm in the afternoon. For that he takes 26k a year. He isnt even a successful business man in his own right. Our fan base is dwindling. We're toiling on-field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Worried? Absoloutely. Confident? No. Strangely, in recent games our overall performances have improved but we are not threatening in front of goal. Off the field, we budget for 7th place finish and no cup runs, the current seasons budget was forecast to realise a 'significant loss' belived to be about 700-800k. Since then the base rate has fallen (bulk of our bank borrowing is marked to the base rate as oppose to LIBOR) and we had a bit of a cup run by getting a replay against Ayr! So around 300k in. That said, 11th place is worth over 340k less in revenue from SPL, so the savings are out done and we still lose 700k - obviosuly that is not sustainable. I feel we have a good enough squad to stay up and I'm very aware, thaknfully, the squad know they are in a relegation battle. If we survive, I dont see next year being too much different. If we go down, we may never be back. Unlike other SPL clubs with significant debt - we dont have a Chairman with large reserves to bail some of the debt out. In fact, we only have a two man board and one of those openly does nothing. Worse still, we dont have a full time person running the club on a day-to-day basis. Its run by a lawyer (our Chairman, owns 90%ish, bought for ?1) typically from 4pm in the afternoon. For that he takes 26k a year. He isnt even a successful business man in his own right. Our fan base is dwindling. We're toiling on-field. That's my fear too mate. I'm none too sure giving JJ another long-term contract was the wisest move either! I assume there's no prospect of anyone at all in the pipeline willing to step in and take over if needs be? How much of this is down to the hotel fiasco, by the way? Scottish football needs clubs like Kilmarnock, and I really hope you'll be OK. That comment about budgeting for 7th made me smile, incidentally: last time we chatted, it was before I got punted from over the road. I said on there that for Killie, anything above seventh equals success - and for that, was dismissed as an arrogant, condescending Yam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 That's my fear too mate. I'm none too sure giving JJ another long-term contract was the wisest move either! I assume there's no prospect of anyone at all in the pipeline willing to step in and take over if needs be? How much of this is down to the hotel fiasco, by the way? Scottish football needs clubs like Kilmarnock, and I really hope you'll be OK. That comment about budgeting for 7th made me smile, incidentally: last time we chatted, it was before I got punted from over the road. I said on there that for Killie, anything above seventh equals success - and for that, was dismissed as an arrogant, condescending Yam! Agreed on the contract - but then it was signed at a time when we were doing well and there is something to be said for stability. However, we can hardly afford to have to pay off a 3 year deal! At the moment there doesnt appear to be anyone out there. Its also unclear that the chairman would want for his shareholding. Previous TO attempts were rejected... perhaps he is regretting that now. The hotel is the single biggest problem. It just isnt making any profit to repay the cost of building and operating. And obviously the market conditions are set to deteriorate. As for above 7th = success, I dont know about the odd occurance being a success but perhaps given our crowds and general stature in relation to other clubs a sustained run in the top 6 would be a success. Arrogant Yam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Agreed on the contract - but then it was signed at a time when we were doing well and there is something to be said for stability. However, we can hardly afford to have to pay off a 3 year deal! At the moment there doesnt appear to be anyone out there. Its also unclear that the chairman would want for his shareholding. Previous TO attempts were rejected... perhaps he is regretting that now. The hotel is the single biggest problem. It just isnt making any profit to repay the cost of building and operating. And obviously the market conditions are set to deteriorate. As for above 7th = success, I dont know about the odd occurance being a success but perhaps given our crowds and general stature in relation to other clubs a sustained run in the top 6 would be a success. Arrogant Yam When Killie more or less rose from the dead in the late 80s/early 90s, how did it happen? Was it just through finding a new investor, the fans clubbing together, or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 5 nil Hearts One of my good mates is a Killie fan, and he'd be happy with that I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 5 nil Hearts One of my good mates is a Killie fan, and he'd be happy with that I reckon. Is your good mate in Edinburgh? He in the Killie Supporters Club through here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 When Killie more or less rose from the dead in the late 80s/early 90s, how did it happen? Was it just through finding a new investor, the fans clubbing together, or something else? New investor - fans forced the old board out though. Definately tough times ahead. Good job we have an easy game today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Is your good mate in Edinburgh? He in the Killie Supporters Club through here? Nah, he's a Hurlford lad. You probably know him, he'll be the boy hanging himself from the main stand every other week............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nah, he's a Hurlford lad. You probably know him, he'll be the boy hanging himself from the main stand every other week............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 New investor - fans forced the old board out though. Definately tough times ahead. Good job we have an easy game today! Ha! I admire your optimism, but wouldn't bet on it... Has your plight been publicised much in Ayrshire? What you tend to find with a lot of clubs is it's only when an alternative investor is found that fans have a totem to unite around, put pressure on the incumbent board etc. I wish you well; but it's tough times ahead, as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the doomed Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ha! I admire your optimism, but wouldn't bet on it... Has your plight been publicised much in Ayrshire? What you tend to find with a lot of clubs is it's only when an alternative investor is found that fans have a totem to unite around, put pressure on the incumbent board etc. I wish you well; but it's tough times ahead, as you say. Supporters groups have been meeting over the last couple of weeks and are due to announce a public meeting - hopefully that will get the ball rolling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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