The People's Chimp Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I see that we've taken even more steps towards 1984's awful predictions today as people are now being arrested under anti terror laws for Political beliefs... Five arrested in G20 terror probe Police investigating alleged terrorism in connection with the G20 summit have arrested five people in Devon. Three men aged 25, 19 and 16 and two women aged 20, from Plymouth or nearby, were held between 27 and 29 March. A number of weapons and suspected imitation weapons, as well as "suspicious devices", were seized in searches a number of premises. A police spokesman stressed that the investigation was "in no way" linked to any religious group. He added the inquiry was centred on political activity involving British nationals. The BBC Home Affairs Correspondent, Danny Shaw, said the arrests are understood to be linked to the G20 summit in London on 2 April. 'Political ideology' All five people are being held under the Terrorism Act. The arrests were made after the 25-year-old man was arrested in Plymouth on the evening of 27 March on suspicion of criminal damage. Police carried out a search of the man's address and the weapons and "material relating to political ideology" were seized. Better hide that copy of das kapital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hmmm. Are they going to be charged with thoughtcrimes? The saddest thing is, nobody seems to be that bothered about the fact we are one of the most policed populations in the developed world. We are already the most spied upon. I don't think for one second the huge amount of CCTV cameras in our city streets are solely there to prevent/solve crimes. People seem to be more interested in Jade Goody's funeral and the statue being planned in her honour than topics like this though. The dumbing down of the general population is going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hmmm. Are they going to be charged with thoughtcrimes? The saddest thing is, nobody seems to be that bothered about the fact we are one of the most policed populations in the developed world. We are already the most spied upon. I don't think for one second the huge amount of CCTV cameras in our city streets are solely there to prevent/solve crimes. People seem to be more interested in Jade Goody's funeral and the statue being planned in her honour than topics like this though. The dumbing down of the general population is going well. Bread & Circuses Although, given your username, you'd be familiar with that ,er, maxim. I think they have them over a barrel if weapons have been found, but "material relating to political ideology" is weird. Perhaps their local councillor dropped by thelocal newsletter or they had collected political parties fliers for the forthcomg Euro elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I see that we've taken even more steps towards 1984's awful predictions today as people are now being arrested under anti terror laws for Political beliefs.... Nothing to do with the weapons then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hmmm. Are they going to be charged with thoughtcrimes? The saddest thing is, nobody seems to be that bothered about the fact we are one of the most policed populations in the developed world. We are already the most spied upon. I don't think for one second the huge amount of CCTV cameras in our city streets are solely there to prevent/solve crimes. People seem to be more interested in Jade Goody's funeral and the statue being planned in her honour than topics like this though. The dumbing down of the general population is going well. "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" (and the rest of the world to follow?) The Most Important Book ever written on Education! Written by a former Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration - Charlotte Iserbyt NOW YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE WHOLE BOOK FOR FREE!!!! Good info in that link ,"dumbing down of the populace" is an important tool if you want them in a constant state of bewilderment and ignorance .What better way to control people even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdust Caesar Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I think it was the criminal damage and the weapons that got them arrested, not their political beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I think it was the criminal damage and the weapons that got them arrested, not their political beliefs. Could be but why did they also include "material relating to political ideology" were seized",in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I see that we've taken even more steps towards 1984's awful predictions today as people are now being arrested under anti terror laws for Political beliefs... Better hide that copy of das kapital. You've conveniently omitted to highlight the fact that weapons and suspicious devices were found. Why was that ? Didnt it fit in with the point you were trying to make ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The saddest thing is, nobody seems to be that bothered about the fact we are one of the most policed populations in the developed world. We are already the most spied upon. I don't think for one second the huge amount of CCTV cameras in our city streets are solely there to prevent/solve crimes. Yeh because we probably shouldnt be putting potential terrorists under surviellance of any kind (including CCTV) We should wait until they've blown up the number 14 bus and clean up the mess afterwards....Thats democracy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yeh because we probably shouldnt be putting potential terrorists under surviellance of any kind (including CCTV) We should wait until they've blown up the number 14 bus and clean up the mess afterwards....Thats democracy for you. Thats a point i see but the other side is that this could also be a smoke screen for more surveillance of the populace , hiding behind the threat of exaggerated terror threats to enforce not only more surveillance on us but more laws to take away yet more freedoms we take for granted. As the saying goes you never miss it until its gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 You've conveniently omitted to highlight the fact that weapons and suspicious devices were found. Why was that ? Didnt it fit in with the point you were trying to make ? The OP never took out any reference to the weapons etc but, quite rightly imho, highlighted the reference to political ideology. All other things aside, are we not entitled to freedom of thought? Do you think certain books should be banned, or even burned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Resisting the Politics of Fear by John E. Mack, M.D. September 13, 2004 Senator John Edwards and many other Americans believe that Vice President Cheney "crossed the line" when he said that if we chose John Kerry instead of George Bush "we'll be hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States." But I believe that line was crossed many months ago when President Bush and his administration chose to manipulate the minds of our people by relentlessly threatening us with the danger of terrorist attacks. Because the terrorist danger is real, it is especially important that our capacity to assess the risk we face not be distorted for political gain. There is nothing new about this strategy for gaining and holding power. Writers from the ancient Greek historian Thucydides to Baron de Montesquieu to Herman Goering in the twentieth century have told us that all national leaders need to do to retain power is to focus on an external threat and accuse those who won't go along with their plans of a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. What may, perhaps, be unique is the systematic, virtually scientific, way that the current administration has used fear to control dissent and titrate the amount of fear we are supposed to feel. At a conference on "Fear: Its Political Uses and Abuses" sponsored last February by the New School University in New York the organizers noted that "This may be the only time in our history when we are not only warned that we should be afraid, but told exactly how afraid we should be (red, orange or yellow alerts), and yet, regardless of how afraid we should be, we are given no advice about what to do, except perhaps to be wary of strangers, and stock up on duct tape and bottled water." Terrorism is, of course, an authentic threat. But the ceaseless use of the rhetoric of terror, violence and danger that has accompanied a growing number of false alarms numbs our minds and robs us of the power to tell truth from lies and discriminate genuine dangers from those that are held before us for domestic political purposes. Hollow bombast and threat become confused with strength, and silly macho talk of girlie men or derision of "sensitivity" may cover ignorance and weakness. Fear of this kind can, as it has in the past, lead to unwarranted acts of aggression being committed in our name. There are other harmful consequences of the politics of fear. It can and has been used to take away our liberties while we preach about freedom and democracy for others. It brings about a kind of national psychological regression, reducing our minds to primitive oversimplified ways of thinking, what conservative columnist Charley Reese called the "comic book world of American heroes and foreign evil doers" The leaders themselves become, in the end, convinced of their own threatening projections and succumb inevitably to the atmosphere of fear they have helped to create. Their judgment then becomes impaired, and they fail to address genuine dangers while inflating, as in the case of Iraq, threats to our national security that do not actually exist. As this regression affects those in the political chain of command, it may be shocking but should not be surprising that atrocities like those at the Abu Ghraib prison would be committed, even in some instances, by women. Worst of all perhaps is what the politics of fear has done to our values as a people. Poet Michael Blumenthal, returning to the United States last month after three years living in Europe, found here "a frightened and frightening nation, a nation filled not with generosity and humanity and decency and charity," a nation "that seems unable to find any deeper reason for its patriotism than a profound, and cynically manipulated atmosphere of anxiety and fear." And former assistant to President John F. Kennedy, Theodore Sorenson, in a commencement speech in Nebraska last May warned of the damage being done to the "very heart and soul of this country" as it moves "toward a mean-spirited mediocrity in place of a noble beacon." Some of us are awakening to the danger of the politics of fear. Voices are being raised in opposition. Catharine Gamboa of Baltimore writes to the editor, "I refuse to allow myself to be terrorized and blatantly manipulated by these ominous drumbeats," and Steve Mavros of Philadelphia declares he is "sick and tired of living in fear" and of "alerts telling me whether or not I can walk outside (New York Times September 9, p. A32). Kasey Hrehocik, a senior at Poteet High School in Texas wrote a paper opposing the "fear mongering" to which she had been exposed. "When we allow fear to override societal defenses that hold our ideals and values together," she warned, "we allow our home, America, to become a garbage-littered swamp filled with manipulations and lies." But scattered voices like those of these brave people must be joined by a swelling tide of resistance. The misuse of fear to control our minds should become a central focus of our national consciousness, and students at every level of our educational system need to be taught to recognize the signs of this corrosive strategem. Only in this way, I believe, will we be able to preserve our national values and integrity, and make the intelligent choices upon which genuine security and fulfillment depend. John E. Mack, M.D. September 13, 2004 The above article was submitted as an op-ed to the Boston Globe but to the best of our knowledge was not published; it was released to the internet upon the passing of Dr Mack (September 27, 2004). The politics of fear is a potent weapon in controlling people and so brilliantly put by the late Dr John MACK M.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yeh because we probably shouldnt be putting potential terrorists under surviellance of any kind (including CCTV) We should wait until they've blown up the number 14 bus and clean up the mess afterwards....Thats democracy for you. I vote we just shoot them in the head seven times when they're already restrained personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Make them get a job, they would fear that more than prison. Jail the lot of them, swampy and his mates get right on my tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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