Robbo27_22 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badly drawn boy Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Strachan has no say -Rgers desperate for sales , on balance we are lucky we have someone who has the interest to keep us going , for the moment anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammyheart Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Exciting times ahead, watch them sqirm the next couple of years or more with a bit of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So he and Wally don't satisfy the term "autonomous"? Thought it was only us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... And some apologies from some of our own support for turning on our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davjambo Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... I would'nt hold my breath mate. :108: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I really dont mean this a parade-pisher, but I dont think too many mangers have 'autonomy'. Our situation is highlighted cos VR done it in a much more hands on way, but for me alot of that is just culture clash. It's kinda how it's done in Russia and Eastern Europe It's also highlighted cos we're Hearts and not he OF though, which is the point being made on this thread i guess. It's no revalation that Strachan has no real control over signings, he never has - he didn't sign Nakamura, or at the other end of the scale, the lad they took from Ireland in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... He has no say in the budget but he still picking the players a huge difference to how our situation was and to some extent may be. keep clutching those straws though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I really dont mean this a parade-pisher, but I dont think too many mangers have 'autonomy'. Our situation is highlighted cos VR done it in a much more hands on way, but for me alot of that is just culture clash. It's kinda how it's done in Russia and Eastern Europe It's also highlighted cos we're Hearts and not he OF though, which is the point being made on this thread i guess. It's no revalation that Strachan has no real control over signings, he never has - he didn't sign Nakamura, or at the other end of the scale, the lad they took from Ireland in the summer. It was highlighted because the media saw VR as a thread to the OF, and anyone coming in with money would have been the same. The duopoly are now in trouble and the media hipe if any team look like taking the league will be massive. They will do anything to upset players and fans alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm fairly certain John Park is identifying & picking the players at least according to recent articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... That will never happen, this is the Ugly sisters, you are talking about. Cue the quotes of .......... prudent business sense............. giving youth a chance ......... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm fairly certain John Park is identifying & picking the players at least according to recent articles. As the man in charge of youth development you would expect that to be part of his job much like John Murray does for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 That reads to me as though Celtic have asked GS to buy young players with potential. It does not say that someone, other than GS, at Celtic is picking those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 There was articles on the thread i posted the other day that said John Park was globe-trekking identifying signing targets for the celtic board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 There was articles on the thread i posted the other day that said John Park was globe-trekking identifying signing targets for the celtic board. Not much of a surpise there considering it's his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 That reads to me as though Celtic have asked GS to buy young players with potential. It does not say that someone, other than GS, at Celtic is picking those players. Good to see you don't think the worst with other clubs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 There was articles on the thread i posted the other day that said John Park was globe-trekking identifying signing targets for the celtic board. Water is wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 That reads to me as though Celtic have asked GS to buy young players with potential. It does not say that someone, other than GS, at Celtic is picking those players. The twister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 No it's not a surprise Park is getting the players, you wouldnt expect Strachan to know too much about 18 year old Czechs or Yanks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Good to see you don't think the worst with other clubs too I would be very happy if Hearts had a similar set-up. As I've said before........ As long as the Manager has the final say on what players come to the Club (above youth level) then there will be no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The twister. I think others have twisted it look as though GS has no say in who Celtic sign. I don't believe that is the case. Do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I would be very happy if Hearts had a similar set-up. As I've said before........ As long as the Manager has the final say on what players come to the Club (above youth level) then there will be no problems. Sorry Drylaw, I couldn't read that, I collapsed in tears of laughter when I got as far as "I would be very happy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Sorry Drylaw, I couldn't read that, I collapsed in tears of laughter when I got as far as "I would be very happy" I'm always happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm always happy. You must just be one of those happy go lucky boys who hides it well Anyway, I'm away to the Diggers, seeing as my favourite bar is no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo27_22 Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 He has no say in the budget but he still picking the players a huge difference to how our situation was and to some extent may be. keep clutching those straws though. Erm no. I think you must have missed the fact that once Vlad's involvement was leaked, it was the biggest travesty to occur. Didn't you know that no CEO/Chairman/Money man has ever had a say in who comes in/who plays etc? Double standards as usual. Remember though, there is no bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 You must just be one of those happy go lucky boys who hides it well Anyway, I'm away to the Diggers, seeing as my favourite bar is no more I'm just misunderstood. Also..... Robbo's closed ? I did not know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Erm no. I think you must have missed the fact that once Vlad's involvement was leaked, it was the biggest travesty to occur. Didn't you know that no CEO/Chairman/Money man has ever had a say in who comes in/who plays etc? Double standards as usual. Remember though, there is no bias. I think you are over reacting and have not read the article properly. It is a travesty when the owner picks the players(world class players who instantly improve the team are the exception) for the manager. I think it is perfectly normal for a owner to set out the budget and transfer policy of the club. The manager should be expected to stick to that policy. Pretty much what we are doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The real meat in today's Scotsman, unfortunately not available on the website as far as I can see, is the Frail interview about his time at Tynecastle and his period in charge. Very revealing to see which members of the club staff and which players he praises. He doesn't mention Romanov - apparently his "gagging order" allows him to speak about Romanov, but only if he says positive things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Strachan-has-no-say-in.4909938.jp I'll await the public uproar and media frenzy that Ra Cellicks manager is in the same position that our managers have been since Vlad arrived........... I dont see anything in that article which suggests that Peter Lawell instructs Strachan to play/not play any of the players in his squad, so he's hardly in the same position that Hearts managers under Vlad have found themselves in from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo27_22 Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 OK, just to clarify. I have read the full article. I fully understand that the whole thing is not a carbon copy of what has happened/is happening at Tynie. I understand that Vlad was totally out of control and out of order with some of his antics. What I am saying though is that from the outset of Vlad arriving, the media have been on top of Hearts at the slightest of opportunities. Will Celtic get the same treatment from the same media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 OK, just to clarify. I have read the full article. I fully understand that the whole thing is not a carbon copy of what has happened/is happening at Tynie. I understand that Vlad was totally out of control and out of order with some of his antics. What I am saying though is that from the outset of Vlad arriving, the media have been on top of Hearts at the slightest of opportunities. Will Celtic get the same treatment from the same media? Its a complete non story to be honest. You'll be lucky if there are 4 clubs in Britain where the managers influence over transfers overrides the board's budget requirements, such as Manchester United(or there is no effective budgetting in place, such as was the case at clubs like Spurs and Rangers until recently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Celtic have signed players for non-footballing reasons, over the managers head before - their Far East imports and Roy Keane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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