Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 From now on according to a deal thrashed out between the government and FA's. They get a 12 month grace period and if they can't pass a test after it they are getting booted out:laugh::laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 From now on according to a deal thrashed out between the government and FA's. They get a 12 month grace period and if they can't pass a test after it they are getting booted out:laugh::laugh: Umm... link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Ridiculous idea. I thought they would be trying to prevent the flow of foreigners into this country.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 TBF I would suggest that is a good idea for anyone who wants to come here and live/work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Does it count for managers too, 'cause if it does John Hughes better get practicing his diction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 how many of glasgows fine footballers would pass this test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Does it count for managers too, 'cause if it does John Hughes better get practicing his diction. Yep everyone involved in football Its on SSN. Just had a bit more on, it is saying its only the english FA, however, the government source interviewed then basically said it affected everyone in the UK. Basically everyone involved in football will get 12 months to prove themselves under the foreign worker legislation and if they didnt would face removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yep everyone involved in football Its on SSN. Just had a bit more on, it is saying its only the english FA, however, the government source interviewed then basically said it affected everyone in the UK. Basically everyone involved in football will get 12 months to prove themselves under the foreign worker legislation and if they didnt would face removal. How, if its only the EFA, can it affect the whole of the UK, unless it its being brought in as law? Or is it another case of UK=England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonjambo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Its political non-correctness gone MAD GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 How, if its only the EFA, can it affect the whole of the UK, unless it its being brought in as law? Or is it another case of UK=England? Well its the same government responsible for work permits and immigration UK wide. They are hardly going to tell the english FA they need to have english speakers and let everyone do differently. The government source also indicated all FA's were advised of the same requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Its political non-correctness gone MAD GC Is it? We have the prospect of increasing unemployment and yet foreigners can enter the country and take up the jobs. I know a lot of the jobs our people would not wish to do but I suspect they will be told they'll have to, or forgo benefit. Football should not be treated any differently from the rest of the labour force. As a separate issue I cannot believe the rule could apply to EU incomers who cannot speak English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va va voom Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If it did/does apply in Scotland then Nakamura will have a bit of catching up to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Is this even legal!? I'd be suprised if the EU allowed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 wiesh eeey pad gooon tooeeo skooool nouw dont kick me out pleasee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheiky Baby Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 What would happen if someone was punted after 12 months but signed a 3 year deal or something? Would the club be liable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Remindes me of Paul Whitehouse( I think that's his name) when he did the player coming to Newcastle. At first he couldn't speak English and by the end of the skit he was saying things like "waye aye man me and lads wir doon toon." Found it here: http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=paul+whiehouse+newcastle+footballer&aq=f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yep everyone involved in football Its on SSN. Just had a bit more on, it is saying its only the english FA, however, the government source interviewed then basically said it affected everyone in the UK. Basically everyone involved in football will get 12 months to prove themselves under the foreign worker legislation and if they didnt would face removal. If true, i can only apply to non-EU countries. EU 8 countries such as Lithuania, Poland, etc. have full employment, benefits & housing rights from April 1. A2 countries Romania & Bulgaria will still have to have worker registration docs but can't, be stopped from residing here on the basis of language as I understand it, they will also get full rights in due course. The restriction can only affect players with work permits from outwith the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonjambo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Is it?We have the prospect of increasing unemployment and yet foreigners can enter the country and take up the jobs. I know a lot of the jobs our people would not wish to do but I suspect they will be told they'll have to, or forgo benefit. Football should not be treated any differently from the rest of the labour force. As a separate issue I cannot believe the rule could apply to EU incomers who cannot speak English. Certainly dont want to get into a political row but surely the highlighted section of your post rather undermines the first sentence. Or are you suggesting that Scottish people ought to be allowed to say (i) I dont want that job as its too menial for me; AND (ii) I dont want my benefits cut; AND (iii) No foreigners should be allowed to come in and get jobs because of all the unemployment. Because that's how your post reads to me. Anyway, my original post which you quoted was supposed to be tongue- firmly-in-cheek. GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 If true, i can only apply to non-EU countries. EU 8 countries such as Lithuania, Poland, etc. have full employment, benefits & housing rights from April 1. A2 countries Romania & Bulgaria will still have to have worker registration docs but can't, be stopped from residing here on the basis of language as I understand it, they will also get full rights in due course. The restriction can only affect players with work permits from outwith the EU Yep just had more info on it, involves non EU players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yep just had more info on it, involves non EU players. So it only counts for non-EU players?! So if we had one Lithuanian and one Brazilian, neither of whom could speak English, the Brazilian would be deported but the Lithuanian wouldn't?! That's ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If true, i can only apply to non-EU countries. EU 8 countries such as Lithuania, Poland, etc. have full employment, benefits & housing rights from April 1. A2 countries Romania & Bulgaria will still have to have worker registration docs but can't, be stopped from residing here on the basis of language as I understand it, they will also get full rights in due course. The restriction can only affect players with work permits from outwith the EU I was just about to ask that, this rule would be completely unenforceable for EU members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 So it only counts for non-EU players?! So if we had one Lithuanian and one Brazilian, neither of whom could speak English, the Brazilian would be deported but the Lithuanian wouldn't?! That's ridiculous! Hmmm.... Chessy or Miko v Cammazola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rust Cohle Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 So it only counts for non-EU players?! So if we had one Lithuanian and one Brazilian, neither of whom could speak English, the Brazilian would be deported but the Lithuanian wouldn't?! That's ridiculous! Bang goes the world cup stars dream eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hmmm.... Chessy or Miko v Cammazola Can I stress I was only using those countries as a hypothetical example, and wasn't thinking of any players in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Bang goes the world cup stars dream eh? Not if they can speak English! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesy1874 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 well that will be vlad ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 there goes scotty broon's move to man city then! "dinnae ken eh!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 It just goes to show how arrogent the EFA are and in many cases the goverment as well. They think English is the proglonged language of the world but should the same not be said to anyone who is working or playing football in spain? Amagine kicking someone out because they have found it it dfficult to learn how to speak the language. Nakamura better get his thumb out because apparently he hasn't been able to grasp English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/jan/16/tefl-football-immigration-language "Having muscled their way past the 49-page application form, footballers from Argentina to Zambia will need to show linguistic aptitude at level A1 of The Council of Europe's Common European Framework of Reference. Classified as a "breakthrough level for basic users", A1 is the first of six such levels for reading, listening, speaking and writing. A Home Office official confirmed that the required standard includes the ability to introduce themselves, as well as asking and answering simple questions, but is nowhere near fluency." There are various people offering exams that would satisfy the qualification. The link below shows the past paper for one of them. http://www.pearsonplt.com/VirtualContent/85864/Session_One___Level_A1_Written_Paper.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WASTREL Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 From now on according to a deal thrashed out between the government and FA's. They get a 12 month grace period and if they can't pass a test after it they are getting booted out:laugh::laugh: Always remember when Hearts signed Juanjo and got him started on learning English by attending day classes at Ainslie Park. After a month every second word was a well pronounced "F". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Certainly dont want to get into a political row but surely the highlighted section of your post rather undermines the first sentence. Or are you suggesting that Scottish people ought to be allowed to say (i) I dont want that job as its too menial for me; AND (ii) I dont want my benefits cut; AND (iii) No foreigners should be allowed to come in and get jobs because of all the unemployment. Because that's how your post reads to me. Anyway, my original post which you quoted was supposed to be tongue- firmly-in-cheek. GC Apologise for any ambiguity. I was saying that, at present, British people turn down less attractive jobs and foreigners come in and do them. In future it is highly likely that British people will have to take these jobs or have their benefits cut, meaning there will be fewer jobs available for foreigners and if they can't speak English they would not qualify anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poggs Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 This is not actually a football issue. THe government as part of the new citizen drive, is requiring all foreign workers (ie non EU nationals) who are working in the uk via a temporary working visa, to have a very basic command of English if they wish to be granted an extention to the initial one year visa. It really designed to prevent too many foreigners coming in and working in domestic service, hotels etc in london and the south east. Just happens that football has a lot of these foreign workers too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Hmmm.... Chessy or Miko v Cammazola Learning English was the easy part.Its his passing,shooting and crossing that he is struggling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/jan/16/tefl-football-immigration-language "Having muscled their way past the 49-page application form, footballers from Argentina to Zambia will need to show linguistic aptitude at level A1 of The Council of Europe's Common European Framework of Reference. Classified as a "breakthrough level for basic users", A1 is the first of six such levels for reading, listening, speaking and writing. A Home Office official confirmed that the required standard includes the ability to introduce themselves, as well as asking and answering simple questions, but is nowhere near fluency." There are various people offering exams that would satisfy the qualification. The link below shows the past paper for one of them. http://www.pearsonplt.com/VirtualContent/85864/Session_One___Level_A1_Written_Paper.pdf Looks solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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