grumpyjambo Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I thought that one of the great things about internet forums was that by having user names we can all keep our identity secret. Tom English certainly nails his colours to the mast in this article. http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/football/39Murray-is-entitled-to-dismiss.4887885.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Loadsa these slags are in Sir Dracula Murray's back pocket - easily bought over by free champagne & salmon butties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I bet that the reporter does not use his real name when he frequents the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I'm sure Tom English is a registered user on swallow swallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thinking about this more, I have always used my real name on Kickback since its inception in 1996, so I do see his point. However, it doesn't make the validity of these people's arguments any less valid. Pen names used to be commonplace when people commented to newspapers in days of yore. McCrae's Battalion highlights this for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thinking about this more, I have always used my real name on Kickback since its inception in 1996, so I do see his point. However, it doesn't make the validity of these people's arguments any less valid. Pen names used to be commonplace when people commented to newspapers in days of yore. McCrae's Battalion highlights this for one. Although for a while Geoff, you had to sacrifice the 'ilpatrick' as one of the previous forums couldn't fit the whole name if I recall correctly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thinking about this more, I have always used my real name on Kickback since its inception in 1996, so I do see his point. However, it doesn't make the validity of these people's arguments any less valid. Pen names used to be commonplace when people commented to newspapers in days of yore. McCrae's Battalion highlights this for one. Me too I have always thought it was a shame more people didn't - it would probably make people moderate some of their excesses if they couldn't hide behind a user name. Having said that I have used a pseUdonym on Hibs Net since the start (wasn't sure when I logged on how it might develop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I wasn't in a rush to put my real name on the internet when I first joined a forum, however I am less concerned now. My name has been on board, I have met a fair few of those on the board and I have been pictured on the board. I also go to Hearts games, have done all my life, am a shareholder and help sustain the club. So, the fact I use an internet pseudonym negates any view I have on the club? Nonsense If I were to meet any club official I would obviously introduce myself, however bighusref does me fine here thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 For clarification my name is not really Seymour M Hersh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyjambo Posted January 18, 2009 Author Share Posted January 18, 2009 I wasn't in a rush to put my real name on the internet when I first joined a forum, however I am less concerned now. My name has been on board, I have met a fair few of those on the board and I have been pictured on the board. I also go to Hearts games, have done all my life, am a shareholder and help sustain the club. So, the fact I use an internet pseudonym negates any view I have on the club? Nonsense If I were to meet any club official I would obviously introduce myself, however bighusref does me fine here thank you. Spot on, some people on this board know who I am but I prefer to have my user name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Spot on, some people on this board know who I am but I prefer to have my user name. Dear Mr English, Cannot see how not signing your name to your opinion makes any difference whatsoever. Either the opinion is validated by people agreeing with it, or it gets shot down in flames. Names are irrelevant...unless you are a lazy journalist who wants to quote the opinions of "Grandmaster Suck" and feels a bit silly about it? Well, Tom English, you really ought to be more embarassed about your own sycophantic fawning to the powers at Ibrox? Perhaps a pen-name would be a good idea for you? Might save your wife the embarassment when she uses her credit card... Up Yours A.A"Spellczech" Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Although for a while Geoff, you had to sacrifice the 'ilpatrick' as one of the previous forums couldn't fit the whole name if I recall correctly! Indeed. That was Kickback II IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 There is, of course, nothing wrong with using pseudonyms on the interweb - and Tom English has pretty much proven himself Murray's chief lapdog in recent weeks (must have been the "succulent lamb" that did it, I suppose). But in this case, I think he's right: it's ridiculous to expect any club owner to take you seriously if you can't even be bothered to provide your real name. Were there ever to be any campaign against Romanov, it'd be an absolute prerequisite for anyone who signed up to it to be open about who they were: otherwise, you're just a faceless troublemaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I've always used my real name for the last 115 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Haha poor Frankie Four Fingers ... funny thing is, I bet the chances are he has 9 fingers but he's just forgot he has another hand !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Oh ... meant to say ... I am Sharon Stone ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberjambo Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I know a wee guy from Busby called Tommy English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Silence Dogood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 There is, of course, nothing wrong with using pseudonyms on the interweb - and Tom English has pretty much proven himself Murray's chief lapdog in recent weeks (must have been the "succulent lamb" that did it, I suppose). But in this case, I think he's right: it's ridiculous to expect any club owner to take you seriously if you can't even be bothered to provide your real name. Were there ever to be any campaign against Romanov, it'd be an absolute prerequisite for anyone who signed up to it to be open about who they were: otherwise, you're just a faceless troublemaker. Have you given up then Shaun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Have you given up then Shaun? There was never a campaign in the first place! Though more generally, I suspect you'd agree with the thrust of what English was saying too: unlike others, you don't hide behind a username, which makes you a much more credible figure IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Have you given up then Shaun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 There was never a campaign in the first place! . I said that at the time, It was just you attention seeking - again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hmph. And I used to think we were friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I said that at the time, It was just you attention seeking - again Whereas what you do every day on this messageboard is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hmph. And I used to think we were friends... Oh come on Shaun, it was quite a funny line. No need to take the hump bud as we had two completly different points of view yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverley Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 if i was to use my "real name" which is delilah stroganoff, i would be laughed off the site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Oh come on Shaun, it was quite a funny line. No need to take the hump bud as we had two completly different points of view yesterday. I'm not - I laughed myself, hence the wink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 2 weeks ago Tom English printed his Rangers wish list for the January transfer window, then last week it finally dawned on him there was some major problems at Hunbrox, this week he's got over his crisis of faith and is back in full swing batting for Team-Murray.....the guy is a complete Hun tube-steak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 There was never a campaign in the first place! Though more generally, I suspect you'd agree with the thrust of what English was saying too: unlike others, you don't hide behind a username, which makes you a much more credible figure IMO. You would have to ask why it makes any difference to Murray and his cohorts? Jim Templeton felt the need to resign as Secretary of the Ranger's Supporter's Assembly because he felt that Murray was 'consulting' then ignoring the views of his members on issues like the 5% levy on away tickets. The funding of the RSA was also cut from ?30K to ?20K by Murray - one could argue that was because he knew where the criticism was coming from and rebuked them by cutting their funding? Maybe he wants his critics to out themselves so that he can take some kind of action against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 You would have to ask why it makes any difference to Murray and his cohorts? Jim Templeton felt the need to resign as Secretary of the Ranger's Supporter's Assembly because he felt that Murray was 'consulting' then ignoring the views of his members on issues like the 5% levy on away tickets. The funding of the RSA was also cut from ?30K to ?20K by Murray - one could argue that was because he knew where the criticism was coming from and rebuked them by cutting their funding? Maybe he wants his critics to out themselves so that he can take some kind of action against them? Sure. He's a nasty, nasty piece of work, with a great deal of apparatus behind him too. But it is daft to expect a campaign featuring the usernames English mentioned to be taken seriously - and if the fans in question are serious, they'll have to prove it by stepping up to the plate, whatever the consequences for them might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 it's a poor argument imo. The substance of the words you use is not altered one iota by what pseudonym you write it under. Murray would be under no more compulsion to pay it any heed if they put a full name in than if they call themselves JoyDivisionOvenGloves. I'd also suggest that a pseudonym is a good thing for members of Follow Follow in a lot of cases, especially those who are less bigoted than some of the bigger knuckle draggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Sure. He's a nasty, nasty piece of work, with a great deal of apparatus behind him too. . Give me strength, is there anyone or anything you aren't an expert on Shaun? Have you ever met this "nasty, nasty piece of work"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 While not my own name it's not 100 miles from my actual name See if you can guess I don't see the issue with people not having their real name surely it is a preferred choice about how they want to present thereself on the internet. Whenever I register anywhere I always use MalkyMcFrench out of habit more than anything else, does that make mine or anybody else with a pseudonym's point any less important. If they use their own names it only means Murray can see to it that they stop getting away tickets etc He's Scotlands version of Robert Mugabe or Pol Pot, I wonder how many bodies are hidden under his vinyard in France NB If Mr Murrays lawyers are watching please pay particular attention to the 'laughing' smiley which shows the comment above was said with tongue firmly in cheek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Give me strength, is there anyone or anything you aren't an expert on Shaun? Have you ever met this "nasty, nasty piece of work"? Someone of his obvious levels of control and paranoia is clearly not a pleasant individual: Graham Spiers' views of him are more than enough to be going on with. Seeing as you hate Rangers FC, don't you hate the man behind them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Sure. He's a nasty, nasty piece of work, with a great deal of apparatus behind him too. But it is daft to expect a campaign featuring the usernames English mentioned to be taken seriously - and if the fans in question are serious, they'll have to prove it by stepping up to the plate, whatever the consequences for them might be. Are anonymous user names on an internet forum any worse than, say, working in the media and pretending to support St Mirren? As for the 'my pal Graham Speirs' line...it sounds like Mr English never had the balls to ask the question himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I dont see what the problem is with people using 'usernames' on the t'internet, the more forums you see the more wacky (and clever) names you see....unfortunately there are also some who go too far. It doesnt matter what the person has as a username, if they talk sence they will be listened to but if they talk rubbish they get ignored (no doubt this post will now be ignored)....should we all be putting our real names, email addresses and home address on the internet - I dont think so! For the record 'The Future's Maroon' is not my real name.....but does anyone know how much it costs to change you name by deed poll?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Someone of his obvious levels of control and paranoia is clearly not a pleasant individual: Graham Spiers' views of him are more than enough to be going on with. Seeing as you hate Rangers FC, don't you hate the man behind them too? Shaun, GS was previously one of the Blue Lackeys who was on the Champagne Train - until he got tossed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Are anonymous user names on an internet forum any worse than, say, working in the media and pretending to support St Mirren? As for the 'my pal Graham Speirs' line...it sounds like Mr English never had the balls to ask the question himself! I agree on both counts. It still strikes me as gutless on the part of their fans though. The funny thing is, when there was a thread on this campaign a couple of days back, it was widely ridiculed! Rangers fans, arse licking media, David Murray: a plague on all their houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 For the record 'The Future's Maroon' is not my real name.....but does anyone know how much it costs to change you name by deed poll?!! A tenner. http://www.nationaldeedpollservices.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Shaun, GS was previously one of the Blue Lackeys who was on the Champagne Train - until he got tossed off. Blimey - Murray's powers extend even further than I previously thought! And it was the making of him in any case. No way would he be so successful and respected if he'd just toed the line forevermore. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Someone of his obvious levels of control and paranoia is clearly not a pleasant individual: Graham Spiers' views of him are more than enough to be going on with. Seeing as you hate Rangers FC, don't you hate the man behind them too? I know alot of people who support other clubs I don't hate. You're a strange person Shaun, you're willing to take the word of someone you've never met, that another man you've never met is a nasty piece of work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A tenner. http://www.nationaldeedpollservices.org.uk/ only a tenner?! mmm, I see a drunken visit to the deed poll office one weekend!! :108years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 only a tenner?! mmm, I see a drunken visit to the deed poll office one weekend!! :108years: Mr Doodoodoo MaKalamby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I know alot of people who support other clubs I don't hate. You're a strange person Shaun, you're willing to take the word of someone you've never met, that another man you've never met is a nasty piece of work? In this case, given the myriad accounts of individuals all saying the same thing, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Presumably then, Tom English will no longer write Banner Headline Exclusives on the basis of "a club insider informed him that....", or "it is believed that...." or "someone close to the club has announced that....", given his stance on identities being made public? Aye right!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 In this case, given the myriad accounts of individuals all saying the same thing, yes. I think you'd find a similar myriad of accounts saying the opoosite about him, funny how you choose to hear the one's that suits your twisted agenda. Maybe you're not the straight down the middle, fairminded person you think you are Shaun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I think you'd find a similar myriad of accounts saying the opoosite about him, funny how you choose to hear the one's that suits your twisted agenda. Maybe you're not the straight down the middle, fairminded person you think you are Shaun? Generally, accounts which say the opposite are from those who benefit by doing so. I'm entirely fair minded and objective - objectivity is derived from looking at the context in which things are said. Something which applies to more than a few posters on this forum I could care to mention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Generally, accounts which say the opposite are from those who benefit by doing so. I'm entirely fair minded and objective - objectivity is derived from looking at the context in which things are said. Something which applies to more than a few posters on this forum I could care to mention... I've known David for 23 years, and can tell you he's actually a very nice man, he was a nice man before he developed an interest in Rangers FC, and he still is. Would you say someone who actually knows him, is better judged to pass comment on the kind of person he is, rather than someone who takes his opinion purely on what people write about his running of a football club? Personally, I think your judgement is clouded by the football club he owns, whick makes you as bigoted and narrowminded as anyone you think you're above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I've known David for 23 years, and can tell you he's actually a very nice man, he was a nice man before he developed an interest in Rangers FC, and he still is. Would you say someone who actually knows him, is better judged to pass comment on the kind of person he is, rather than someone who takes his opinion purely on what people write about his running of a football club? Personally, I think your judgement is clouded by the football club he owns, whick makes you as bigoted and narrowminded as anyone you think you're above. Does a nice man bully the media into saying exactly what he wants, PB? And in this case, my context rules certainly applies: I recall you saying what a corking chap Andy Goram was too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Me tooI have always thought it was a shame more people didn't - it would probably make people moderate some of their excesses if they couldn't hide behind a user name. Having said that I have used a pseUdonym on Hibs Net since the start (wasn't sure when I logged on how it might develop) I don't think its a good idea to use your real name on an Internet fans forum . You might be safe enough if you stay in England or Australia but if you stay locally you have to be aware that it's not just fellow Jambos who can read your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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