janie jones Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 All the defence that started today - Macdonald, Neilson, Jonnson, Berra and Thomson are all home grown players - one for the stattos but I doubt this has ever happenned before. Good to see IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It's happened before. Alot. 1999 Murray James Pressely Naysmith Since Romanov, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 All the defence that started today - Macdonald, Neilson, Jonnson, Berra and Thomson are all home grown players - one for the stattos but I doubt this has ever happenned before. Good to see IMO. Eggert has been here for a while but he is far from home grown tbh. However, I get the point. It is a good sign when we are bringing through our youngsters to first team standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winningways Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 good batch of youngsters coming through also.this is the way forward in current climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 They've all come through the youth system/ranks, and I think that's brilliant I really do. With Driver and Glen playing parts today as well, that's a really great statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie jones Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Was meaning the whole defence - back 5. James came from Falkirk. In terms of Jonnson - I was referring to players that had came through the ranks. So taken both those into consideration I'm not sure we have started a back five in recent times that have all came through the ranks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Douglas Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It's happened before. Alot. 1999 Murray James Pressely Naysmith Since Romanov, maybe. It may well have done but Pressley was not home grown, neither James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adeb74 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What is even more pleasing is the fact that Macdonald started between the sticks and i think for his third start ( shoot me down if im wrong ) and that was his second clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It may well have done but Pressley was not home grown. I thought 'home-grown' meant Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Played in the U19 = home grown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Eggert has been here for a while but he is far from home grown tbh. However, I get the point. It is a good sign when we are bringing through our youngsters to first team standard. He's been here since he was 16 si I would say he is home grown, how many of our current youths were with the club at u12, u14 etc? Also McGowan was here at the age of 16, does that mean he isn't home grown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What is even more pleasing is the fact that Macdonald started between the sticks and i think for his third start ( shoot me down if im wrong ) and that was his second clean sheet. yes, spot on Had a good game too by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Was meaning the whole defence - back 5. James came from Falkirk. In terms of Jonnson - I was referring to players that had came through the ranks. So taken both those into consideration I'm not sure we have started a back five in recent times that have all came through the ranks? I still disagree. Elias Wagner will not fall into that category either. Just because we sign them young (oooh errr!) doesn't make them home grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Douglas Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I still disagree. Elias Wagner will not fall into that category either. Just because we sign them young (oooh errr!) doesn't make them home grown. I would say it does, irrespective of nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Played in the U19 = home grown Is that from some sort of rule book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I would say it does, irrespective of nationality. Elias Wagner : Home grown by Admira Wacker, Hibs and Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie jones Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 I still disagree. Elias Wagner will not fall into that category either. Just because we sign them young (oooh errr!) doesn't make them home grown. We are in danger of getting into a pedantic debate which is unneccessary tbh. I have clarified what I meant. A whole back 5 that have came through the ranks that we sign a youth players. Wagner was at Hibs but all of todays starters to my knowledge started their professional career at Hearts. Anyway hopefully we can agree its good to see and a clean sheet to boot. HHGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I still disagree. Elias Wagner will not fall into that category either. Just because we sign them young (oooh errr!) doesn't make them home grown. Jonsson is a lot like Neilson though, signed as a 15/16 year old then brought up through our youth system. I say it makes them home-grown, but it doesn't really matter. The point made is still valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think UEFA definitions of home grown is just developed in Scotland, they have a seperate requirement for your own academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Is that from some sort of rule book? It is actually, the UEFA rulebook. You need to have 8 players from your youth system in a European squad, 4 from your own country I think. Youth system means any player from the U19s and below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2005/04/22/sport/uefaadoptshome-grownpolicyfrom2006.html Ahem - 'The problem was to devise a system that did not conflict with the EU’s eligibility laws as there are no longer any restrictions on player movement in Europe. So, a young player of any nationality can be developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior and be eligible as a home-grown player.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Douglas Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Elias Wagner : Home grown by Admira Wacker, Hibs and Hearts. You've been owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 OK but try not to get too tied up in pedantc point scoring or there will be need for more entries in http://www.Wimbledonhavemoremidfielfmovesthanus.net yamopedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 We are in danger of getting into a pedantic debate which is unneccessary tbh. I have clarified what I meant. A whole back 5 that have came through the ranks that we sign a youth players. Wagner was at Hibs but all of todays starters to my knowledge started their professional career at Hearts. Anyway hopefully we can agree its good to see and a clean sheet to boot. HHGH I know, I know. I also attempted to sidestep the debate in my first post by stating that I saw what you meant and agreed with the general happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Jonsson is a lot like Neilson though, signed as a 15/16 year old then brought up through our youth system. I say it makes them home-grown, but it doesn't really matter. The point made is still valid Again, I said that I felt it was valid, just that I disagreed with the statement that a player we signed from another club can be our home grown player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2005/04/22/sport/uefaadoptshome-grownpolicyfrom2006.html Ahem - 'The problem was to devise a system that did not conflict with the EU?s eligibility laws as there are no longer any restrictions on player movement in Europe. So, a young player of any nationality can be developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior and be eligible as a home-grown player.' Thank you. The above states that such a rule was created purely to fall into line with the EU's laws and only to ease selection issues for European games. Seems that the term "home-grown" means "trained at the club for three years". By that rationale I concede that Jonsson is "home-grown" as he has trained with us for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What is even more pleasing is the fact that Macdonald started between the sticks and i think for his third start ( shoot me down if im wrong ) and that was his second clean sheet. I know I'm being pedantic (and possibly even wrong) but is that not Jamie's first clean sheet. I think his 2 previous games were against Rangers, a 2 - 0defeat and a 2 - 1 victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Again, I said that I felt it was valid, just that I disagreed with the statement that a player we signed from another club can be our home grown player. Indeed, and I said I felt both viewpoints explode into meaninglessness anyway because either way they have been here through the majority/entirety of their football career, and it's great to see. 'Mon the Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I know I'm being pedantic (and possibly even wrong) but is that not Jamie's first clean sheet. I think his 2 previous games were against Rangers, a 2 - 0defeat and a 2 - 1 victory. Yes your right, I forgot the Kari OG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 How was McDonald today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yes your right, I forgot the Kari OG It's great if he looks like another keeper we can rely on. We've had some cracking keepers over the years but some very dodgy backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Don't think he'll be in the Gordon league but I think he'll be better than Roddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It is good to see. Last season the youth set up was taking all sorts of flak but it is time they got a bit praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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