Windows Vista

[Radio Ga Ga]

What a pile of sh** bring back XP

 

Got a new laptop for Christmas with Vista and it's driving me CRAZY, maybe I'm doing something wrong but it opens things when you do not want them, closes things when you do not want to, if I 'hover' the mouse over anything it starts doing random things NIGHTMARE !!!!

 

Anybody else got Vista and actually like it ? or am I doing something wrong ?

[John S]

I'd like to tell you that you'll get used to it.

 

But I can't

[Cow]

I have problems with vista myself and was wanting to get another windows package but a lot of mates who are more computer savvy than myself have told me that vista is the way forward its just a case of getting used to it.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Vista sucks the sweat off a dug's baws. In an ideal world it would mean the end of Microsoft.

[conn artist]

its gash. i took it off my laptop as it kept doing odd things. it hated my graphics card and media player. all that stopped once XP was installed. :xmasgrin:

[Qurator]

I have problems with vista myself and was wanting to get another windows package but a lot of mates who are more computer savvy than myself have told me that vista is the way forward its just a case of getting used to it.

 

It is a good operating system, aslong as you have a good pc. If I remember correctly it needs atleast 1gb of ram to run, as it idles at 800mb ish.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Had it for about a year now, took a while to get used too but far exceeds XP imo now, work with XP at work and I detest it now.

[Dazo]

It is a good operating system, aslong as you have a good pc. If I remember correctly it needs atleast 1gb of ram to run, as it idles at 800mb ish.

 

A good operating system does not idle at 800mb of ram usage. Vista is ****, FACT END OFF etc etc.

 

I can't think of a single benefit it offers over XP.

[Guest juvehearts]

Had it for about a year now, took a while to get used too but far exceeds XP imo now, work with XP at work and I detest it now.

 

 

I agree,

 

takes time, once youre used to it, it far outweigh's XP.

[this_is_my_story]

I have problems with vista myself and was wanting to get another windows package but a lot of mates who are more computer savvy than myself have told me that vista is the way forward its just a case of getting used to it.

 

Possibly the most untrue thing your 'computer savvy' friends could have told you about Vista. It's without doubt the single most regressive OS from Microsoft yet. I've had 98, 2000, then XP, and at each stage there have been great improvements... not with Vista though! Yet to hear a good word about it. 2 mates of mine that have it on fairly new laptops say that they can't get half of their programs to run on it, yet they ran fine on XP - progression it isn't!

[Texy]

Vista came preinstalled on my laptop and after giving it 2 weeks to win me over, it didn't and back to XP I went. When I first installed 95, 98se, 2000, XP, it didn't take long to see the benefits, with Vista, it just feels like they need to treat everyone like a complete novice with computers. I have a feeling XP will have a long life span, the future of most programs and OS seems to be let's see how much **** we can put on it to 'benefit' the user. Simplicty please.

[Rule 34]

so many people moaning, i can only assume you will buy a mac or use some variation on linux next time round.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

so many people moaning, i can only assume you will buy a mac or use some variation on linux next time round.

 

Comedy gold.

 

One of the least competitive industries in the world, with Microsoft the bad guys in countless competition rulings. And you think it's just people having a 'moan'.

[Taffin]

I quite like it tbh working fine on my laptop

[richierich]

Had it for about a year now, took a while to get used too but far exceeds XP imo now, work with XP at work and I detest it now.

 

I agree,

 

takes time, once youre used to it, it far outweigh's XP.

 

I agree too, I wouldn't thank you for XP back at all, runs brilliant for me, got it as a dual boot with linux no problems

[Ulysses]

if I 'hover' the mouse over anything it starts doing random things NIGHTMARE !!!!

 

That really ****es me off. Any way to stop it?

[Mark_Mywords]

Bring back DOS 3! I can't multitask apparently :xmaseye:

[wright1989]

Possibly the most untrue thing your 'computer savvy' friends could have told you about Vista. It's without doubt the single most regressive OS from Microsoft yet. I've had 98, 2000, then XP, and at each stage there have been great improvements... not with Vista though! Yet to hear a good word about it. 2 mates of mine that have it on fairly new laptops say that they can't get half of their programs to run on it, yet they ran fine on XP - progression it isn't!

 

You could right click on the program icon then go to properties, compatibility, check box where it says run in compatibility mode for Windows XP, click APPLY sorted.

 

I upgraded from XP, had a few problems with Nero but sorted them. My sound card was not compatible with Vista so if found out my sound card model found the software (Xear 3D) got some compatible from drivers from Google and it was sorted.

 

Vista's good if you spend a little time Googling your problem.

 

I knew nothing about computers, just used some initiative.

[speedbump]

Windows 7 will be out next year, kind of tells you what they think of vista themselves.

[Brandt]

Windows 7 will be out next year, kind of tells you what they think of vista themselves.

 

Bill Gates said himself that Vista wasnt what they expected. If they had have just stuck solidly to XP and continued with the service packs there would be no need for Vista. If Vista was totally optional (I mean by optional that they didnt stop all the service packs and ultimately finish XP as an OS) then i'd never buy Vista. XP done everything that i needed from a PC. Only thing that gets me about Windows is the never ending chain of viruses, spyware etc.

[this_is_my_story]

You could right click on the program icon then go to properties, compatibility, check box where it says run in compatibility mode for Windows XP, click APPLY sorted.

 

I upgraded from XP, had a few problems with Nero but sorted them. My sound card was not compatible with Vista so if found out my sound card model found the software (Xear 3D) got some compatible from drivers from Google and it was sorted.

 

Vista's good if you spend a little time Googling your problem.

 

I knew nothing about computers, just used some initiative.

 

Absolutely. Easily done, and is really what folk who ask on football fora should do when they have a wee pc problem!

 

Oddly though, both of the folk I mentioned in my earlier post are still having bother with a good few programs after I suggested the solution you initially offer... feck knows. I've only ever used Vista on my Dad's machine, and just don't like it. It tends to assume that the user is neanderthal.

[Rule 34]

Comedy gold.

 

One of the least competitive industries in the world, with Microsoft the bad guys in countless competition rulings. And you think it's just people having a 'moan'.

 

well change the world use Ubuntu.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Possibly the most untrue thing your 'computer savvy' friends could have told you about Vista. It's without doubt the single most regressive OS from Microsoft yet. I've had 98, 2000, then XP, and at each stage there have been great improvements... not with Vista though! Yet to hear a good word about it. 2 mates of mine that have it on fairly new laptops say that they can't get half of their programs to run on it, yet they ran fine on XP - progression it isn't!

 

 

Out of all the operating systems you mention, the best is still Windows 98. 2000 was a waste of time and XP was just as awful as Vista when it first came out. XP improved and so has Vista

 

By the way progression means going forward, not back so it's not really suprising some old programs don't work on new operating systems.

 

As to Apple OS or any of the miriad of Linux flavours, they are just as bad as Vista in different ways. Apples cost a fortune and only work with things that Steve Jobs has personally been given a good time by and Linux is great if all you want to do is use the internet and write a few letters. Doing anything more complecated is a fecking nightmare.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Comedy gold.

 

One of the least competitive industries in the world, with Microsoft the bad guys in countless competition rulings. And you think it's just people having a 'moan'.

 

Apple would be the bad guys in just as many cases if people didn't buy into their hippy 'peace and love and cuddly puppies' bull.

 

It was so funny when Creative Labs took Apple to court and showed them up for what they are, a company working in a highly competitive industy that is quite happy to steal from other companies just like everybody else is doing.

[jamb0_1874]

Got to admit i've never had any problems with it on my laptop.

[this_is_my_story]

Out of all the operating systems you mention, the best is still Windows 98. 2000 was a waste of time and XP was just as awful as Vista when it first came out. XP improved and so has Vista

 

By the way progression means going forward, not back so it's not really suprising some old programs don't work on new operating systems.

 

As to Apple OS or any of the miriad of Linux flavours, they are just as bad as Vista in different ways. Apples cost a fortune and only work with things that Steve Jobs has personally been given a good time by and Linux is great if all you want to do is use the internet and write a few letters. Doing anything more complecated is a fecking nightmare.

 

Ah, cheers. What I was getting at is that backward compatibility is the issue, though some may argue that's all part of the MS scam...

[K1874M]

Works fine on my lap top too but its still shight!

[wright1989]

Apple would be the bad guys in just as many cases if people didn't buy into their hippy 'peace and love and cuddly puppies' bull.

 

It was so funny when Creative Labs took Apple to court and showed them up for what they are, a company working in a highly competitive industy that is quite happy to steal from other companies just like everybody else is doing.

 

God I hate apple. The company that will sell you an Ipod and then make you install spyware, adware to use it!(REAL PLAYER)

 

Also if you 'system restore' your pc you have to competly wipe out your ipod to sync it to your pc again.:xmascrazy: Feck that!

[frankblack]

Have XP on my home PC and Vista at work, where I develop using Visual Studio and .Net.

 

Got to say that I find things far easier to work with on XP. Microsoft have admitted as posts above indicated that Vista was rushed out with major features dropped or rushed to get it out, and it has basically bombed.

 

The windows explorer equivalent on vista is gash and just doesn't let you navigate as well as on XP, and the rest is just bloatware and pointless eye candy.

 

A lot of companies have hundreds of machines that are good for XP but not good enough for Vista and have basically told Microsoft they won't upgrade. Hence the reason Windows 7 was announced so soon.

[Guest S.U.S.S.]

It is better than xp, i just dont like how a number of third party apps still dont integrate well with it yet.

[Barbarella]

I agree,

 

takes time, once youre used to it, it far outweigh's XP.

 

 

Been using vist now for about 3 months. Sometimes still struggle now and then but once ou get used to it you start to wonder what ou ever done without bits of it. So hard to revert back to XP on work pc now

:xmaseye:

[Marmeladent?rtchen]

Lost patience with Vista,,, my next computer will be a Mac.

 

 

Might be worse,,, but only one way to find out.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Lost patience with Vista,,, my next computer will be a Mac.

 

 

Might be worse,,, but only one way to find out.

 

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38894

 

:xmassick:

[Marmeladent?rtchen]

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38894

 

:xmassick:

 

Cheers,,, looks like a one off issue thou.

 

 

I have one mate that slates me for having a Windows system. Then had another that took the **** when I said I might get a Mac.

 

:xmascrazy:

[frankblack]

Cheers,,, looks like a one off issue thou.

 

 

I have one mate that slates me for having a Windows system. Then had another that took the **** when I said I might get a Mac.

 

:xmascrazy:

 

Macs are for people that aren't computer literate but want something that looks nice and is fashionable. If you want a computer that has some software to run on it you need a PC.

 

Mac users also feel smug about the lack of viruses for it, but again thats because no one writes software for it.

[Tazio]

Macs are for people that aren't computer literate but want something that looks nice and is fashionable. If you want a computer that has some software to run on it you need a PC.

 

Mac users also feel smug about the lack of viruses for it, but again thats because no one writes software for it.

 

I run all the software I need on my Mac(s). Office, drawing packages, music editing packages etc. And the operating system already contains good quality photo and film editing packages. Chuck things like Adobe CS into the mix and there really isn't anything else I need. Unless people want cheaper versions of these applications that aren't as good.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I run all the software I need on my Mac(s). Office, drawing packages, music editing packages etc. And the operating system already contains good quality photo and film editing packages. Chuck things like Adobe CS into the mix and there really isn't anything else I need. Unless people want cheaper versions of these applications that aren't as good.

 

Personally, I wouldn't waste money on drawing packages as I am quite happy to actually draw something with a pen or ink, rather than cheat with software. Music editing software would be pointless as I have absolutely no interest in editing music, I would rather just enjoy listening to it. I don't need to edit films, as the videos don't need to look like Hollywood blockbusters and I have never had a problem editing photos on a PC.

 

That just leaves Office which works perfectly well on my PC, so all in all a Mac would be a ridiculous waste of money for me.

[Tazio]

Personally, I wouldn't waste money on drawing packages as I am quite happy to actually draw something with a pen or ink, rather than cheat with software. Music editing software would be pointless as I have absolutely no interest in editing music, I would rather just enjoy listening to it. I don't need to edit films, as the videos don't need to look like Hollywood blockbusters and I have never had a problem editing photos on a PC.

 

That just leaves Office which works perfectly well on my PC, so all in all a Mac would be a ridiculous waste of money for me.

 

You've clearly made your mind up so fair enough. However the price thing isn't as big an issue now. To get a PC laptop for example with the same capabilities as a Macbook Pro you end up paying the same or more.

 

And I draw with pen and ink as well if I have the choice but a lot of the time I need to use DWG files so they can be sent, read and run off on a plotter by people I do business with and as I don't really lke AutoCAD as it doesn't have the relevant symbols etc that I need I use Vectorworks.

[Rab]

Macs are for people that aren't computer literate but want something that looks nice and is fashionable.

 

Tell that to the designers, illustrators and artists using them to make 6 figures every year.

 

If you want a computer that has some software to run on it you need a PC.

 

:eek::eek:

[Sheriff Fatman]

You've clearly made your mind up so fair enough. However the price thing isn't as big an issue now. To get a PC laptop for example with the same capabilities as a Macbook Pro you end up paying the same or more.

 

And I draw with pen and ink as well if I have the choice but a lot of the time I need to use DWG files so they can be sent, read and run off on a plotter by people I do business with and as I don't really lke AutoCAD as it doesn't have the relevant symbols etc that I need I use Vectorworks.

 

Strange how a Macbook that costs the same as my laptop comes with 1/3 of the RAM that I have, half the hard disk space and no Blu-Ray player

 

You are now talking specialised software that only a tiny proportion of the population would ever need. I could name quite a few peices of specialised software that I use, that are either not available on Macs, or are not as good quality. But as they are specialised pieces of software they really don't come into the arguement as far as the average user is concerned.

[Tazio]

Strange how a Macbook that costs the same as my laptop comes with 1/3 of the RAM

 

Possibly because the operating system isn't so bloated it can survive without herculean amounts of RAM?

 

No point in this argument anyway. It just goes around in circles for ever.

[frankblack]

Tell that to the designers, illustrators and artists using them to make 6 figures every year.

 

They are mostly using Photoshop or Adobe software that runs on Windows as well.

 

I repeat my point that PCs are not seen as fashionable to the "art/design" community because they aren't restricted to one manufacturer like Apple. PCs look ugly because they are in all sorts of shapes and sizes, where as Apple get theirs professionally designed cases. I'm not interested in what the case looks like of my PC - I keep it under the desk.

 

As a developer by trade, I see Flash and Flex being killed by Microsoft's Silverlight in the near future as it integrates well with Visual Studio and Expression Blend, and can be programmed in .Net (C#/VB.Net). I think these Flash/Flex designers will have to move to the aforementioned platforms or lose work.

 

With Silverlight 2 being officially released at the end of last year, I've played with it a bit and its extremely powerful and can be deployed on Macs and PCs - I don't see the development tools being put over other than Expression Blend, perhaps, and that doesn't let you code or view/edit code so I see it as limited on its own.

[Rab]

They are mostly using Photoshop or Adobe software that runs on Windows as well.

 

Check any benchmark you want. They all run much faster on macs, it's not (just) a design choice.

 

I repeat my point that PCs are not seen as fashionable to the "art/design" community because they aren't restricted to one manufacturer like Apple. PCs look ugly because they are in all sorts of shapes and sizes, where as Apple get theirs professionally designed cases. I'm not interested in what the case looks like of my PC - I keep it under the desk.

 

As a developer by trade, I see Flash and Flex being killed by Microsoft's Silverlight in the near future as it integrates well with Visual Studio and Expression Blend, and can be programmed in .Net (C#/VB.Net). I think these Flash/Flex designers will have to move to the aforementioned platforms or lose work.

 

With Silverlight 2 being officially released at the end of last year, I've played with it a bit and its extremely powerful and can be deployed on Macs and PCs - I don't see the development tools being put over other than Expression Blend, perhaps, and that doesn't let you code or view/edit code so I see it as limited on its own.

 

Dude, I work almost exclusively in .Net too, but you need to raise your head above the parapet a little.

 

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

 

Over 86% of the developers in the world are using something other than a .Net language. That number will fall, but it'll never come anywhere even close to 0%. Therefore your argument that Silverlight will become dominant because of it's integration with .Net is flawed.

 

Flash has been around for decades and is a mature, stable platform. Silverlight is not. Major League Baseball signed up to use Silverlight to drive their site last year and ditched it this year for flash because of its many issues.

 

As for IDEs, Visual Studio isn't even the best .Net IDE, never mind the best overall.

 

I'm all for eating the Microsoft dog food to make development easier, but you might want to make yourself a bit more aware of what else is out there.

[maltese jambo]

I have problems with vista myself and was wanting to get another windows package but a lot of mates who are more computer savvy than myself have told me that vista is the way forward its just a case of getting used to it.

 

Your friends are wrong. Windows would never phase out XP cosidering its actually taking customers away from Vista; XP is the simplest and by far the best windows.

 

My advice would be to put it back on XP untill microsoft sort themselves out and make vista half decent.

 

Alternatively make sure you have at least 4gb ram and a dam good anti virus and sweat it out with vista

[Mac_fae_Gillie]

Got a ew PC 6months ago with Vista installed have added a 2nd HD with XP(no service pack installed :xmasgrin: on to run most of my games on cuss Vista was giving so much grief..

I'll get use to it and in 2years time thier bring out a new windows that Fs all my new games up.