Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You lying barstewards Septic! There were never that many inside that dump! That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You lying barstewards Septic! There were never that many inside that dump! That is all. it must have been, it's only Hearts that "lie" and "cheat" and "spin" by counting all season tickets. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japanjambo Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 There were empty seats all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Time was when clubs throughout the land deliberately understated their gates in order to dodge the taxman. Then egos seemed to get in the way. Celtic are stagnating. I can see exactly what their fans' problem with Strachan has been: MON's side had something about them, something that got the pulse racing. WGS' team is insipid, tepid and lacklustre. That it's still been good enough to win three titles on the bounce says it all about how weak the OF are - but they're going nowhere, and a very poor advertisement for the best Scotland apparently has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Time was when clubs throughout the land deliberately understated their gates in order to dodge the taxman. Then egos seemed to get in the way. Celtic are stagnating. I can see exactly what their fans' problem with Strachan has been: MON's side had something about them, something that got the pulse racing. WGS' team is insipid, tepid and lacklustre. That it's still been good enough to win three titles on the bounce says it all about how weak the OF are - but they're going nowhere, and a very poor advertisement for the best Scotland apparently has to offer. MON?s side was just like Burley?s Hearts - Big guys who could play a bit. WGS is a wee man himself so he favours the McGeadys, Nakamuras & Maloneys of this world. He also knows that he needs a few bigger thugs like Brown and Hesselink because wee guys tend to get kicked around the pitch like he did himself. Both Celtic and Rangers have hit a wall with the quality of players they can attract these days. They are coming back to the rest as the rest are trying to hold onto the good players that they can get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 MON?s side was just like Burley?s Hearts - Big guys who could play a bit. WGS is a wee man himself so he favours the McGeadys, Nakamuras & Maloneys of this world. He also knows that he needs a few bigger thugs like Brown and Hesselink because wee guys tend to get kicked around the pitch like he did himself. Yes - but MON's Celtic, like Burley's Hearts or even Levein's Hearts really knitted together as a team, enabling it to overachieve and excite, whereas there's always been something missing with WGS' Celtic. During Rangers' dominance, they were nothing special in 93/4, and pretty darn weak in 94/5 and 96/7 - it's depressing when any team not at the top of its game still wins the league. To put it another way: in the SPL, when did Strachan's Celtic last look as effective a team as Dundee United and Hearts both did today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hearts world team mentioned the fact that the stadium was nowhere near capacity and estimated about 40,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyNB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yes - but MON's Celtic, like Burley's Hearts or even Levein's Hearts really knitted together as a team, enabling it to overachieve and excite, whereas there's always been something missing with WGS' Celtic. During Rangers' dominance, they were nothing special in 93/4, and pretty darn weak in 94/5 and 96/7 - it's depressing when any team not at the top of its game still wins the league. This was when they had Laudrup and Gascoigne playing for them. I wouldn't call that too weak for the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Like most, if not all, teams they count there season ticket holders whether they are there or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I heard a lot of the fans where dressed as seats dunno if its true, seemingly hibs fans practice it quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootboy100 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It would seem the giros arent stretching as far as they used to for the greatest fans in the world then again maybe they have been shopped and caught by the DSS!!!:xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 This was when they had Laudrup and Gascoigne playing for them. I wouldn't call that too weak for the SPL. But in the two seasons I've mentioned, if you check their results and points tallies, it was nowt to write home about, 94/5 especially (a year so average that Motherwell finished 2nd with 54 points (!) - and Laudrup and Gazza had yet to join them). Meanwhile, two seasons later, they had so many injuries that they resigned Mark Hateley on a short-term deal - and still won at Parkhead! 92/3, 95/6 and 99/0, they were excellent. But the problem with a) a league dominated by two clubs and one in which a financial glass ceiling exists even for the Champions is, quite often, a team will win it which is, well, just average. Not least because it must get boring: what's the point of just winning the SPL over and over again with no hope of improvement beyond that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyNB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 But in the two seasons I've mentioned, if you check their results and points tallies, it was nowt to write home about, 94/5 especially (a year so average that Motherwell finished 2nd with 54 points (!) - and Laudrup and Gazza had yet to join them). Meanwhile, two seasons later, they had so many injuries that they resigned Mark Hateley on a short-term deal - and still won at Parkhead! You mentioned three seasons. A quick check online shows the huns signed Laudrup in 94/95, a player far too good for the SPL. Also, M'well had a very good team in that season, can't remember if it was that season or next but they ran B. Dortmund very close in the Uefa Cup ( Dortmund were a great side at the time). Just as Celtic had a very good team around the turn of the century, Rangers had an excellent team in the mid nineties, we never seemed to get any sort of result against them. You can't base all your judgements on the cyber world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You mentioned three seasons. A quick check online shows the huns signed Laudrup in 94/95, a player far too good for the SPL. Also, M'well had a very good team in that season, can't remember if it was that season or next but they ran B. Dortmund very close in the Uefa Cup ( Dortmund were a great side at the time). Just as Celtic had a very good team around the turn of the century, Rangers had an excellent team in the mid nineties, we never seemed to get any sort of result against them. You can't base all your judgements on the cyber world. But if Motherwell had that good a team (great by their standards - but not by Scottish standards), don't you think they'd have done better than a tally which is worse than what's needed for 3rd most of the time? I actually think they were stronger the year before under the Hamster. As I see it, a fantastic Rangers side peaked in 92/3, then gradually declined; hit the heights again in 95/6 (making our doubling of them that season particularly brilliant) then declined once more; then rebuilt under Advocaat and played the best football I've ever seen from a Rangers side in 99/0 before completely imploding. Peaks and troughs, in other words - but because the margin they enjoyed over everyone else was so vast (not least since Celtic had been in such a mess), they could afford to do this, yet still keep winning titles and trophies. Rangers' 1998 Cup Final team may have had some similar personnel to the 1996 one, but it wasn't a patch on it in terms of form and edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hearts world team mentioned the fact that the stadium was nowhere near capacity and estimated about 40,000 That is so weird. You?d think they would regard Hearts as the next best game after the visits of Rangers. Could it be that there as many as 20,000 celtic fans who prefer the procession games like when Killie come and lie down at CP, to competitive matches? Or perhaps 20,000 of them really had Christmas shopping to do today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyNB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 But if Motherwell had that good a team (great by their standards - but not by Scottish standards), don't you think they'd have done better than a tally which is worse than what's needed for 3rd most of the time? Not really, you can't just judge each season on the final points tally, there's too many other variables at play. It's like the pointless discussions about whether the Brazilian team of the 1970 WC was the greatest ever, each season is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Not really, you can't just judge each season on the final points tally, there's too many other variables at play. It's like the pointless discussions about whether the Brazilian team of the 1970 WC was the greatest ever, each season is different. That's true. But the Brazilian 1970 side was certainly the greatest ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibshater Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 that lot done today what we done last season, we said we had 16000 at the game when really we had about 2-3000 of them where the youngsters from the magnificent7 we done last year, and also adding on the season ticket holders that do not turn up just like we did last year to make the numbers look good. ficking reprobates.:xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 That is so weird. You?d think they would regard Hearts as the next best game after the visits of Rangers. Could it be that there as many as 20,000 celtic fans who prefer the procession games like when Killie come and lie down at CP, to competitive matches? Or perhaps 20,000 of them really had Christmas shopping to do today... They're bored. If we finished 3rd two or three years on the bounce with no realistic hope of going higher, we'd probably get bored too. They got like this during O'Neill's final year there, incidentally: they need a change at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Are they taking lessons from their little ***** and dressing as seats? I thought they were the 'Greatest fans in the world?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 56,079 and heres me thinking that was the amount of pegs sold in and around the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolcross lad Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Clear to me that even glory hunters get tired of glory hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Busby's Moustache Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You've got to remember there's no many shoplifting days left before xmas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 it was well below capacity you could still make out the nike tick in the top tier thats how many empty seats there were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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